Star Wars On Blu-Ray

[Starkiller]

.he couldnt sell all those Kenner figures to adults...

Uhhhh, yeah he could have you seen the majority of fans?

 

[Apone]

Not as much as kids though...are you really buying those stupid bucket helmets? Not to say he didnt aero in marketing wise on adults too...aka Sideshow..but I think it was definately more for kids..maybe because he had some of his own also this time around.

 

[The Josh]

The prequels introduced Star Wars to a new generation. Most kids will prefer the prequels to the originals. In fact, there are kids now whose favorite Star Wars viewing is not a movie at all, but the Clone Wars show. The prequel characters are loved by today's children and they are the ones the kids want to be for Halloween--I see tons of clone commanders trick or treating every year, and very few Han Solos.

I have accepted the fact that Lucas didn't make the prequels for me--he made them for my kids. It's a different Star Wars experience than the one I had as a boy, but I certainly wouldn't give up the opportunity to share it all with my children.

Exactly! I can tell you for a fact that the thing the kids I taught loved the most was the PT and the CW. They saw my collection when I would bring it and wanted to know all about it especially the PT because they had the most interest in that. They asked about the OT but mostly cause it was something they liked but looked at it differently.

Yup, the PT was made for I believe people of my age when the TPM came out 17 and younger. Star Wars PT/OT are kids films with enough in them to keep adults interested.

I already thought Star Wars was pretty relevant. I think the PT kind of cheapened the name and the brand.

No, not really. I don't remember much SW before the PT being talked about anyplace. Now, because the PT made it relevant to new generations its every where.

 

[mfoga]

No, not really. I don't remember much SW before the PT being talked about anyplace. Now, because the PT made it relevant to new generations its every where.

Yep they came out the POTF2 like 3-4 years before PM came out but was after it was announced they were making the prequels and they used the POTF2 stuff to help market the upcoming SE and prequels.

 

[SpaceCrawler]

The prequels were made more for adults, young and old (for the most part) and most kids I know didn't care for them. Sure they liked space ships and robots, but the story just wasn't engaging for most children --- OR adults. It mainly appealed to the Star Wars aficionados who wanted to see more Star Wars, regardless of what it was.

The prequels never turned into anything close to the phenomenon that was the OT, and for a very good reason. They weren't well written.


Sean

 

[The Josh]

Yep they came out the POTF2 like 3-4 years before PM came out but was after it was announced they were making the prequels and they used the POTF2 stuff to help market the upcoming SE and prequels.

Yeah, I remember those thats when they started the gears to make SW big again.

The prequels were made more for adults, young and old (for the most part) and most kids I know didn't care for them. Sure they liked space ships and robots, but the story just wasn't engaging for most children --- OR adults. It mainly appealed to the Star Wars aficionados who wanted to see more Star Wars, regardless of what it was.

The prequels never turned into anything close to the phenomenon that was the OT, and for a very good reason. They weren't well written.


Sean

Well, I'm telling you the PT is loved by most kid I know. Seriously, most of them loved the PT way more than the OT. Like I said most kids I see playing with toys now or caring about them are using PT so I'd say its equal to kids now as the OT was to kids then.

 

[BankruptCollector]

Pre-ordered! Any idea when it'll be released?

 

[SpaceCrawler]

Yeah, I remember those thats when they started the gears to make SW big again.



Well, I'm telling you the PT is loved by most kid I know. Seriously, most of them loved the PT way more than the OT. Like I said most kids I see playing with toys now or caring about them are using PT so I'd say its equal to kids now as the OT was to kids then.

Sadly I think this is because children can no longer process much information. As light as the OT stories were, there was at least character development, emotion, and good art. It wasn't a cold, poorly acted video game - lots of eye candy but not much else- like today's films are and like the PT was.

Sean

 

[The Josh]

Well, as a school teacher I can tell you these kids I know could process info just fine and that to me is nothing more than an excuse being made right there. Sorry, I found character development, emotion, and good art in the PT as well.

 

[SpaceCrawler]

Well, as a school teacher I can tell you these kids I know could process info just fine and that to me is nothing more than an excuse being made right there. Sorry, I found character development, emotion, and good art in the PT as well.

I stand by my original assessment and no, it's not an excuse. I'm not a school teacher but I've worked in film for years and also, as a musician, have to interact with lots of kids. So I see both worlds here, the art world of film and the kid's world. I see the corporate influence on artists to compromise (my brother even worked for Lucas, and wasn't very thrilled there). I know films have been dumbed down to a scary degree, even Lucas' films where he was trying to buck the corporate system. No one can deny this. But the PT was just a failed effort by Lucas, in my opinion, to continue to saga. He didn't manage to achieve what he did with his earlier films partly due to the yes-men aspect of "no questioning allowed" now that he's a bazillionaire, and him just not having great ideas.


Sean

 

[The Josh]

I stand by my original assessment and no, it's not an excuse.


Sean

Stand by it all you want then. As far as it being an excuse or not if that makes you feel better. I've worked with enough kids to have a pretty good grip on things.

Films have been dumbed down but thats actually for adults more than kids.

 

[Starkiller]

The prequels were made more for adults, young and old (for the most part) and most kids I know didn't care for them. Sure they liked space ships and robots, but the story just wasn't engaging for most children --- OR adults. It mainly appealed to the Star Wars aficionados who wanted to see more Star Wars, regardless of what it was.

The prequels never turned into anything close to the phenomenon that was the OT, and for a very good reason. They weren't well written.


Sean

Well I don't feel the PT had a direction. The OT had a nice balance of everything some comedy, drama, action, etc. But a good amount of the PT is just mindless boring political banter which is not for children by any means. But it was countered with dumb slap stick comedy of Jar Jar, it made no sense.

And the 3rd was so dark, too dark for a Star Wars film if you ask me, that I felt it was not geared towards children at all. It wasn't even well done dark either.

 

[SpaceCrawler]

Stand by it all you want then. As far as it being an excuse or not if that makes you feel better. I've worked with enough kids to have a pretty good grip on things.

So do I. Read the rest of my post (I guess you didn't see after I edited it).
"Feel better"? Just never understood why people get so defensive about these films to get snippy.

Films have been dumbed down but thats actually for adults more than kids.

It's for both. And that's the point I was making (thank you for agreeing with me in a round about way). People aren't able to digest much anymore. Put people in front of a Cary Grant comedy and they don't "get it". Much the same with countless other films. Even the sci-fi fare of the 60s, like POTA with it's political and social commentary was something well tolerated. All in the Family, M*A*S*H, etc. Entertainment used to also have substance, it could challenge you and actually be intelligent even if it was a silly comedy or sci-fi film. Today it's a great big cold and empty video game and no depth is tolerated.

Sean

 

[jedibear]

Looking forward to this BR release....fingers crossed that they are composed of flawless encodes (and not just cheesy quick upconverts) and that LFL is really putting together the best possible set. Not looking for the end-all of bonus features (they'll always hold something back...for that next set), but here's hoping it's a winner.

And man...why is it that every thread directly related to the movies descends into prequel/Lucas bashing...for heaven's sake, you don't like 'em, fine...give it a rest already.

Bring on the Blu-Rays!

 

[The Josh]

So do I. Read the rest of my post (I guess you didn't see after I edited it).
"Feel better"? Just never understood why people get so defensive about these films to get snippy.

Yes, I saw it afterwards. You work with kids too I'm just saying teaching 160+ kids a day for the last 4 years I feel I have a pretty good grip. Not being snippy at all. I'm not offended enough to want to be snippy.

It's for both. And that's the point I was making (thank you for agreeing with me in a round about way). People aren't able to digest much anymore. Put people in front of a Cary Grant comedy and they don't "get it". Much the same with countless other films. Even the sci-fi fare of the 60s, like POTA with it's political and social commentary was something well tolerated. All in the Family, M*A*S*H, etc. Entertainment used to also have substance, it could challenge you and actually be intelligent even if it was a silly comedy or sci-fi film. Today it's a great big cold and empty video game and no depth is tolerated.

Sean

Yeah, some of both but I'm telling ya kids today process and are far smarter than most adults. Pretty scary really and the kids I know process the info from the OT and other movies of that era just fine cause they like many of the same movies I do. Which is scary in why some parents are letting them watch some of them.

 

[icruise]

Looking forward to this BR release....fingers crossed that they are composed of flawless encodes (and not just cheesy quick upconverts) and that LFL is really putting together the best possible set. Not looking for the end-all of bonus features (they'll always hold something back...for that next set), but here's hoping it's a winner.

And man...why is it that every thread directly related to the movies descends into prequel/Lucas bashing...for heaven's sake, you don't like 'em, fine...give it a rest already.

Bring on the Blu-Rays!

I think the "if you don't like them, fine" idea would be a lot more palatable if the original versions of the films we grew up with were actually available in a modern format. As it is, Lucas is forcing people to choose the new versions of the films if they want them to look decent, and I think that's where most of the resentment comes from. I wouldn't care if he wanted to insert 100 Jar Jars into A New Hope, as long as we had the original versions available to us, but we don't.

 

[tomandshell]

Pre-ordered! Amy idea when it'll be released?

September 27th.

 

[tomandshell]

Looking forward to this BR release....fingers crossed that they are composed of flawless encodes (and not just cheesy quick upconverts) and that LFL is really putting together the best possible set.

So far, I haven't seen anything to suggest that they have done any additional work on the transfer, and we're probably getting encodes of the 2004 master that was made for the DVD release. There is a chance that we will be getting a new version of Phantom Menace with the digital Yoda, but I don't think they went back and did any work on the OT just for the Blu-ray release. We'll get a six year old master and that will have to do until the 3D versions come out, which will be the real financial incentive for them to go back to the drawing board and clean things up properly for high definition.

While I would love to see them go back and do a 4K or 8K scan of the restored OT negatives, Episodes II and III were shot at about 1K and there will never, ever be more detail available than that. Lucas has "dumbed down" the resolution of the OT masters to match the prequels, and I doubt that we will ever get much better than that.

 

[galactiboy]

I think the "if you don't like them, fine" idea would be a lot more palatable if the original versions of the films we grew up with were actually available in a modern format. As it is, Lucas is forcing people to choose the new versions of the films if they want them to look decent, and I think that's where most of the resentment comes from. I wouldn't care if he wanted to insert 100 Jar Jars into A New Hope, as long as we had the original versions available to us, but we don't.

That's it in a nutshell... just give fans the choice. And in terms of the PT; I'd love to have the theatrical release of TPM as well so I don't have to sit through even more podrace

Just make purists and non-purists happy and everyone wins. Especially George as he'll be making a ____-ton of money off of both camps

Star Trek got it right... they did a great job of updating effects shots for the TOS BluRay release, but if want you can still watch it in HD with the grainy poor quality original FX shots.

 

[Khev]

Tom stop posting depressing facts about the OT. As if there wasn't enough to be bummed about since 1997.

Star Trek got it right...

So did E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial. Who cares about walkie-talkies? I never have to watch them.