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I didn't bother getting the "Art of..." book for TROS like I normally would for these movies, so something from it got my attention today. I came across an article that delved into Dave Filoni's role in the brainstorming sessions for the ST. One of those sessions with the LFL story group is actually printed in the book.

I really wish I had seen it sooner because the irony is incredible to me when I consider the fan discussions/debates over the last few years. I'm not going to editorialize any further than that, I just want to post a pic from the book that documents the discussion - and I'll let the Dave Filoni quotes speak for themselves.

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And since the photo glare is in an unfortunate spot, I'll type out that section below to distinguish where Filoni's words stop and Kiri Hart (everyone's favorite Story Group member :lol) starts talking:

Dave Filoni: "I love that. We should shift it so Leia is the Obi-Wan of this entire trilogy. I don't even think it hurts that she's not primarily the mentor figure in VII because, like John had been saying, the audience expectation is so on Luke. And when that proves not to be true, it's way more powerful. It's dangerous because it makes it so about the women of Star Wars. Something to me says that's right.

"There is something happening culturally. You look at birth, regeneration, the world itself needing healing: All of those things are emblematic of the 'mother' character in myth. They are all matriarchal things - Mother Earth itself, global warming is a hot topic. George [Lucas] was always so good at tapping into what's happening in culture. And he hits us with it. The idea that we have Leia, a mother character who needs healing in her own right - that's something we can get into in a deeper way."

Kiri Hart: "I couldn't survive one of the things that has happened to Leia. What causes someone to be willing to battle when she has lost her planet; after she discovers she has a brother; after he disappears? She never actually knew her parents, and now her son has gone awry and, by the time Episode VII is over, she's a widow? . . ."

If the text isn't legible in this pic format, the article I saw this in is here:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020...tar-wars-the-last-jedi-director-rian-johnson/

Toward the end of the article, there's also a video of Filoni at a conference that I found a bit ironic as well in the context of fan debates.

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Imagine if you could go back and tell your child self how much Star Wars would be around in the 2020s. You'd blow your little mind!


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Some, maybe even most, will be mediocre, but there's never been this much SW.





(Of course, all these new shows and characters probably mean we'll be waiting even longer for HT Bespin Han :( )

That has to be one of the most chilling images I've seen in a long time.
 
...a long time.



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Imagine if you could go back and tell your child self how much Star Wars would be around in the 2020s. You'd blow your little mind!


All-Star-Wars-Movies-and-Shows-main-980x500.jpg



Some, maybe even most, will be mediocre, but there's never been this much SW.



(Of course, all these new shows and characters probably mean we'll be waiting even longer for HT Bespin Han :( )

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No matter how good or bad all that new SW "content" ends up being, I think there's no question that there'll be a loss of SW feeling special.

We used to have to wait 3 years between movies. And 16, then 10, years between trilogies. That made them feel like "events."

I don't think any future SW at this rate will ever feel like a "must-see event" anymore. Will that matter? We'll see, I guess.
 
No matter how good or bad all that new SW "content" ends up being, I think there's no question that there'll be a loss of SW feeling special.

We used to have to wait 3 years between movies. And 16, then 10, years between trilogies. That made them feel like "events."

I don't think any future SW at this rate will ever feel like a "must-see event" anymore. Will that matter? We'll see, I guess.

Indeed. I already don't watch the cartoons or CG animated stuff, but I can see myself skipping live action stuff too.
 
TPM was a must see event.

We all know how that turned out.

In other words the quality of the product itself will determine if it is to become a must see event.

That being said Mandalorian will always be special because it was the first live action SW TV show it is the 77 of SW TV.
 
I don't think any future SW at this rate will ever feel like a "must-see event" anymore. Will that matter? We'll see, I guess.

That's definitely gone. Star Wars is now like comic books -- ever-present and disposable; something for everybody.

The "Let's see what sticks" Era has begun. Star Wars Phase 4.
 
TPM was a must see event.

We all know how that turned out.

In other words the quality of the product itself will determine if it is to become a must see event.

That being said Mandalorian will always be special because it was the first live action SW TV show it is the 77 of SW TV.

I get what you're saying, but I think back to the pre-TPM hype and buzz very fondly. That lasted for a pretty long time. Sure, the hangover that set in as the movie played in the theater was tough to deal with, but the buzz before that was crazy.

No matter how bad any SW movie ended up being, sometimes there would be years of speculation and anticipation because it was all or nothing. I wouldn't dream of skipping a pre-Disney SW movie. Now I'm all but certain that I'll be skipping some SW "content" going forward.

If I ain't watching, I won't even know if I'm missing something great, right?

That's definitely gone. Star Wars is now like comic books -- ever-present and disposable; something for everybody.

The "Let's see what sticks" Era has begun. Star Wars Phase 4.

Yep, "disposable SW" is a perfect way of putting it.

Star Wars had a good long run of being global must see events. I say bring on Mando-quality SW every week from here on out. :)

If that's what you're expecting from all these shows, I think you're in for a serious disappointment. :lol
 
If that's what you're expecting from all these shows, I think you're in for a serious disappointment. :lol

"All" the shows? Of course not. :)

But if we go from one Mando-quality show per year to four or five then I say hell yeah bring it on. If that means that there are an additional 4-5 that suck no big. TCW and Rebels already proved that I am perfectly capable skipping entire SW series without batting an eye so I can definitely do that for any upcoming stinkers.

That said I finally finished binging the entirety of Rebels last week and ended up loving it overall.
 
That said I finally finished binging the entirety of Rebels last week and ended up loving it overall.

Wow! Your tolerance for hyperspace whales and other "mystical" myth expansion is definitely a difference in what types of SW preferences you and I have. Glad you enjoyed it, though. :duff
 
Wow! Your tolerance for hyperspace whales and other "mystical" myth expansion is definitely a difference in what types of SW preferences you and I have. Glad you enjoyed it, though. :duff

You know I'm aware that a number of longtime fans like yourself hate that stuff but yeah I really enjoyed it. The wolves, the whales, all of it.

In fact when they were gearing up for the big liberation of Lothal I cringed thinking "come on, it was established all the way back in 1977 that the stealing of the plans was the first major battle won by the Alliance, grrr don't contradict that." And then the Alliance doesn't liberate Lothal and Ezra shows up with his space whales instead. I was all "well okay, that works" lol. ;)

I get why some wouldn't like it but there was one shot on the Star Destroyer bridge with Thrawn and behind him outside the windows the whales were crashing into the other Destroyers that was downright jaw-dropping IMO. But hey, different strokes and all that. :)
 
Show quality will definitely decrease as more shows eat from the same pile of allotted SW production cash.

Either that or Disney+ is going to become very expensive.
 
Show quality will definitely decrease as more shows eat from the same pile of allotted SW production cash.

Either that or Disney+ is going to become very expensive.

Wasn't part of the announcement that monthly fees would increase with all those new shows or no?
 
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