Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[ironwez20]

Lol at the "ST will be retconned" brigade.

TFA will be the top domestic earner forever. No way it's getting retconned.

Best you can hope for is some sort of animated "What if" series on D+ where they show some alternate non-canon version of ST events.

Avatar was the highest selling movie at the box office. No one remembers it.

 

[ironwez20]

So nice Imma post it twice

Where are all the new Rey comic books and novels following her story and the galaxies after TROS?

Where is all the Rey merchandise?

Why hasn?t Disney committed to a massive mass media project following their story?

Ohh, I know why.

It?s because Rey isn?t even 1/10th as marketable or popular as Grogu, Din, Luke, Ahsoka, etc... it?s because it doesn?t sell... and it?s because Disney is actively planning the retcon of the ST.

There is no other explanation.

As Jaws would say

Wam bam! Destroying them with facts

 

[ZE_501]

Avatar was the highest selling movie at the box office. No one remembers it.

Money can be a poor metric to judge anything by.

I saw Avatar, once. Thought it was forgettable trash then, still do now.

You know what else I've seen once? TROS.

 

[JAWS]

Money can be a poor metric to judge anything by.

I saw Avatar, once. Thought it was forgettable trash then, still do now.

You know what else I've seen once? TROS.

I hate using BO as a metric to say if a film is good or not.. Even more then I do toy sales

 

[JAWS]

As Jaws would say

Wam bam! Destroying them with facts

Basically saying I was correct when i used that on you

Anyways I like being quoted

 

[ironwez20]

Basically saying I was correct when i used that on you

Anyways I like being quoted

Lol nooooooooo not at all

 

[JAWS]

Lol nooooooooo not at all

Well you said "Like JAWS said"

and then proceeded to use my quote in which you were proven wrong


I tease

 

[abake]

Baby Yoda movie would absolutely destroy it. Now a Baby Yoda movie with Din, Luke, Ahsoka... even you know it would break records.

Star Wars is back as THE pop culture of the time. Star Wars is cool again.

You think they will sacrifice all this... for the ST!?!

HAHAHAHAHA



It will happen because money talks.



Great advice for Disney. ST happened... in another timeline. Disney can take what they like, ignore all the crap.

But they don't need to...
Disney can go on making all the Mandalorian episodes they want building on the good will they have now without having to retcon/erase the ST... I mean, it's what they have been doing in this season, setting up the events of the ST.

 

[abake]

Oh man, that was beautiful.

 

[choombaz]

Apologies if this has been posted before (I?m sure it has) but this discussion is terrific. Lots of great stories I hadn?t heard before especially Joe Johnston having a go at the rectangular Falcon dish saying it goes against the original design ethic.

https://youtu.be/cfqopSob_IU

 

[ironwez20]

Well you said "Like JAWS said"

and then proceeded to use my quote in which you were proven wrong


I tease

Lol.... ur funny. Who knew ot fans had humor like this! Lol I kid

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

But they don't need to...
Disney can go on making all the Mandalorian episodes they want building on the good will they have now without having to retcon/erase the ST... I mean, it's what they have been doing in this season, setting up the events of the ST.

I'm not sure I've seen anything in the show so far that has directly been setting up or preceding anything that we saw in the ST.

Unfortunately, the moment that it does is the moment that my interest may drop.

Not trying to cause on argument or anything. I just genuinely don't think that's what this show is doing. Unless I have been completely missing the point!

 

[abake]

Well, it seems fairly obvious to me that Moff Gideon's mission in trying to secure Grogu (for his blood) is to help make Palpatine's clones... There are plenty of references to Dr. Pershing's experiments with Grogu's blood and midichlorians (m-count, if I'm not mistaken, ) and clones...

 

[ajp4mgs]

Well, it seems fairly obvious to me that Moff Gideon's mission in trying to secure Grogu (for his blood) is to help make Palpatine's clones... There are plenty of references to Dr. Pershing's experiments with Grogu's blood and midichlorians (m-count, if I'm not mistaken, ) and clones...

I still think there's a chance that those clones from Chapter 12 this season, and the references to using Grogu's "m-count" blood, might end up being for something other than Palpatine. Something perhaps closer to the Force-powered Jedi clone in Heir to the Empire. That's the wiggle room I see that would take your examples and negate them.

It just seems silly to me to say that 5 years after ROTJ is when Pershing is trying to create Palpatine clones. Not only does TROS strongly infer that those Palps clones (and Snoke) are happening in secret on Exegol, but would that mean that his spirit is floating around for more than 5 years waiting for a host?

Now, I'm not saying that Mando wouldn't tie into the ST. It already has through subtle references, and will do so more boldly down the line, imo. But I'm just not 100% convinced that what you're describing is Palpatine or Snoke related. Both of those characters would have to already be actively working behind the scenes in order for it to be believable that the FO is fully stocked and loaded by TFA with stormtroopers who were kidnapped children.

 

[abake]

Could be... I'm not familiar with any of the EU in SW, so it's all new to me.
But yeah, nothing is set in stone yet, so I suppose they can keep an eye out for fan reactions/expectations while they write each season, even though they do seem to have an idea of how the characters develop.

 

[TheDucky]

After re-watching ANH... they really need to remake parts of it. Some of it is just so bad and cringe. Bad effects, bad lines, bad acting...

Hallway scene with horrible acting and bad effects. Could be greatly improved instead of guys flopping over in the most comedic fashion possible. RO Vader hallway scene was epic, would be nice to get something of that quality.

The swing across the chasm scene is just bad. All of it. Bad dialogue as if we are in some video game and Leia is giving us instructions. The kiss for luck is laughable. Should be re-done.

The Vader/Kenobi fight is just awful. See SC38 for a real good fight.


I could go on. After watching Mando and then going back to the OT... as much as I enjoy them story wise... quality wise and acting wise not so much. Mando is probably the greatest quality Star Wars from all aspects that we will ever get.

 

[ZE_501]

After re-watching ANH... they really need to remake parts of it. Some of it is just so bad and cringe. Bad effects, bad lines, bad acting...[...]

... 1977 man.

Fisher's line delivery prior to the swing across the DS chasm is brutal, particularly "They're coming through!"

But it's so campy and classic.

If they re-made ANH to Rogue One quality of course I'd watch it and enjoy it, but nothing is ever going to replace the original Star Wars, flaws and all.

It's also hard to separate what's genuinely bad from Lucas trying to mimic old Flash Gordon serials.

 

[ZE_501]

[...]but would that mean that his spirit is floating around for more than 5 years waiting for a host?

Ripe for a Ghostbusters crossover! They can use the World Between Worlds to get 'em!

I shouldn't have said that out loud.

I remember one of the very few EU stories I read, can't remember which one now, that referenced a Dark Side Vortex or something orbiting Endor's moon where Palpatine vaporized, so I guess he was kinda haunting the spot.

 

[Khev]

Ripe for a Ghostbusters crossover! They can use the World Between Worlds to get 'em!

I shouldn't have said that out loud.

Hopefully Season 3 of Mando shows us a scene of someone sitting on the shore of Kef Bir holding up a dagger and carving the edges to perfectly match the outline of the Death Star wreckage, lol.

 

[abake]

After re-watching ANH... they really need to remake parts of it. Some of it is just so bad and cringe. Bad effects, bad lines, bad acting...

Hallway scene with horrible acting and bad effects. Could be greatly improved instead of guys flopping over in the most comedic fashion possible. RO Vader hallway scene was epic, would be nice to get something of that quality.

The swing across the chasm scene is just bad. All of it. Bad dialogue as if we are in some video game and Leia is giving us instructions. The kiss for luck is laughable. Should be re-done.

The Vader/Kenobi fight is just awful. See SC38 for a real good fight.


I could go on. After watching Mando and then going back to the OT... as much as I enjoy them story wise... quality wise and acting wise not so much. Mando is probably the greatest quality Star Wars from all aspects that we will ever get.

See, that's where you lose any semblance of credibility Ducky...

I'm a fan of the PT and quite dislike the ST (mostly TLJ, which IMHO is simply a bad movie, but even worse, it's a bad SW movie), but while I understand where you're coming from, it just seems to me that you have no appreciation not only for classic movies and their different aesthetics, but also for George Lucas' intention.

IMO, your critique of the Vader/Ben fight is akin to saying Sonny's death in the Godfather is awfully made. Both scenes are of product of their time, of the aesthetics and constraints of the time, and they work fantastically well. The SC38 fan-made short is fun to watch, but it completely misses the tension and gravitas of the original scene. I'm a big fan of the more kinetic and fast light-sabre fights of the PT, but those have no place in the OT, for a number of reasons which I won't go into here, but have been discussed ad nauseam by PT/OT factions.

As for FX, again, these are a product of their time, and while I like most of the enhancements and revisions Lucas has done to the OT's FX, dismissing them is like saying Harryhausen's stop motion is crap because it's not as fluid as CGI. That's absurd. Matte painting, stop-motion, in-camera optical effects are as much (if not more) art forms as CGI and should be enjoyed as they were intended. It seems to me you're just equating "new" with "good" and "old" with "bad".

And acting, well, it's always been iffy in George's movies, but as ZE_501 pointed out, we don't know how much is poor direction/acting and how much is precisely what Lucas wanted to achieve. Whether it's true or not, Lucas has stated that the acting and dialogue were intended to be like that because he was trying to convey the same type of feeling that the old serials had.

Now, I quite like The Mandalorian, and look forward to more of it and some of the new series that Disney has announced, but as good as it is, I do believe we'll have to wait a few years before passing final judgement on how good it actually is. Right now it's riding a crest of popularity because it managed to do what the ST miserably failed to do: create compelling characters, use old characters well, and expand the ideas/themes of the OT and PT without falling into pure fan service.