Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[ajp4mgs]

Ripe for a Ghostbusters crossover! They can use the World Between Worlds to get 'em!

I shouldn't have said that out loud.

I have a feeling that SW is going to jump the shark so profoundly in the next couple of years that a decade from now what you posted here will barely seem satirical.

I remember one of the very few EU stories I read, can't remember which one now, that referenced a Dark Side Vortex or something orbiting Endor's moon where Palpatine vaporized, so I guess he was kinda haunting the spot.

I'm almost certain that they'll eventually establish the Palpatine spirit transfer (I hate even typing that) will have been pretty much instantaneous. Otherwise, his spiritual essence would have to have some kind of conscious awareness in order to know when his host body is ready. If that's the case, can he ever truly "die" in a believable way?

But I must admit that I am entertained by the idea of a conscious Palps spirit watching the proceedings and thinking, "Hurry the **** up, you idiots!"

 

[jye4ever]

Hopefully Season 3 of Mando shows us a scene of someone sitting on the shore of Kef Bir holding up a dagger and carving the edges to perfectly match the outline of the Death Star wreckage, lol.

While riding a giant snake

I have a feeling that SW is going to jump the shark so profoundly in the next couple of years that a decade from now what you posted here will barely seem satirical.



I'm almost certain that they'll eventually establish the Palpatine spirit transfer (I hate even typing that) will have been pretty much instantaneous. Otherwise, his spiritual essence would have to have some kind of conscious awareness in order to know when his host body is ready. If that's the case, can he ever truly "die" in a believable way?

But I must admit that I am entertained by the idea of a conscious Palps spirit watching the proceedings and thinking, "Hurry the **** up, you idiots!"

 

[Khev]

I have a feeling that SW is going to jump the shark so profoundly in the next couple of years that a decade from now what you posted here will barely seem satirical.

Everybody has been so focused on the misdirection of "World Between Worlds" that we missed the blatant foreshadowing set up by none other than Boba Fett himself:

Spice Dreams!

That's how they'll explain away the ST, lol.

 

[hellgrammite00]

Realistically we may see a time-travel narrative at some point that will alter Star Wars, and undue ST to a degree. Star Trek did it.

Then they can have the Kylo Ren series where he is a young good guy, and never turned to the dark side. Snoke is his main villain.

 

[Khev]

I'm gonna laugh so hard if the only reason they introduce the WBW is so that they can say that when Rey traveled to Tatooine she went back into the past and changed her name to Shmi, lol.

 

[ZE_501]

I have a feeling that SW is going to jump the shark so profoundly in the next couple of years that a decade from now what you posted here will barely seem satirical.[...]

I shouldn't have said it out loud.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I'm gonna laugh so hard if the only reason they introduce the WBW is so that they can say that when Rey traveled to Tatooine she went back into the past and changed her name to Shmi, lol.

I need comments like this to keep me laughing instead of dreading what kind of insane **** the WBW is going to be used for.

On a bit of a serious note, the way it was used to save Ahsoka in Rebels is harmless enough because we never actually saw any other outcome in her duel with Vader. But that means that Ezra is entirely responsible for the SW "prime" timeline that we've been watching play out in movies and shows since that pre-ANH moment. Kinda trippy.

 

[Prime Clone]

I have a feeling that SW is going to jump the shark so profoundly in the next couple of years that a decade from now what you posted here will barely seem satirical.

To some of us it already has.

Funny how KK has gone from "stepping back" to "doing 10 shows".

 

[pixletwin]

I'm gonna laugh so hard if the only reason they introduce the WBW is so that they can say that when Rey traveled to Tatooine she went back into the past and changed her name to Shmi, lol.

I actually kind of dig that. Haha


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[hellgrammite00]

To some of us it already has.

Funny how KK has gone from "stepping back" to "doing 10 shows".

When you have something be successful you milk it until it runs dry.

Mandalorian alone is getting what, 4 spin off shows? This is the Star Wars way.

 

[Khev]

A supposed leak of JJ and Kasdan's initial treatment for Episode 8 is getting some traction online.

Some quick highlights:

1. Luke went to Ach-To because it is some kind of "Light Side" Force epicenter where he can manipulate things from a distance. He was the one who awakened Rey and was helping her along throughout the movie (including having the lightsaber fly to her on Starkiller Base and helping her fight.)

2. Luke was married with two kids and his whole family was on the island. The island still contained the first Jedi Temple but it was also a sanctuary for Jedi fleeing Order 66.

3. He was weeping when Rey came to him at the end of TFA because he had just witnessed Han die which he tried to prevent remotely but was unable to.

4. Luke does not toss the saber, he thanks Rey for bringing it but tells her to keep it since he has the green one.

5. Snoke has a separate Sith chick called "Darth Naught" whom he sends to kill Luke.

6. Hux's ship gets sucked into a black hole and he dies.

7. Ahsoka is hiding out on the island with Luke and helps him and Rey battle Kylo and Darth Naught who track them all down on the island.

8. Snoke has Luke's hand as some sort of magical Force artifact.

9. Rey gets sucked into another dimension by some crazy Sith magic and ends up appearing hundreds of years in the past at the end of the movie.

10. Luke doesn't die.

Now I don't know that the treatment itself has been confirmed so who knows if that's really how JJ was planning for things to go. But it did provide a more proactively "heroic" reason that Luke was on the island and an explanation for why Rey was able to accomplish certain things with the Force throughout the film much earlier than the "she's a Palpatine" route they ended up with.

In fact the supposed treatment is so specific about addressing the biggest complaints of the ST that that alone kind of makes me question its legitimacy.

 

[ajp4mgs]

To some of us it already has.

Funny how KK has gone from "stepping back" to "doing 10 shows".

What if "stepping back" is true because they were originally going for 20 shows?

Some of the canceled content ideas:

"Ugnaughts: A Cloud City Story"

"Peesa Yousa" (aka "Jar Jar: Year One")

"Dexter's Diner"

"Derlin: Rise to Mediocrity" (starring a de-aged John Ratzenberger)

"Kitster: So Wizard"

And a replacement for the burning Christmas log videos where you just stare at the smoking charred remains of the Lars couple for 24 hours.

 

[ajp4mgs]

A supposed leak of JJ and Kasdan's initial treatment for Episode 8 is getting some traction online.

I'm calling bull**** on it. IIRC, Kasdan didn't really want to be involved with writing more than one.

 

[Khev]

I'm calling bull**** on it. IIRC, Kasdan didn't really want to be involved with writing more than one.

Yeah, it really does read as if it was painstakingly reverse engineered off of three years of internet complaints, lol.

And white Gandalf Luke running around with a wife and two kids who all join the fight against Snoke's forces? No thanks....

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yeah, it really does read as if it was painstakingly reverse engineered off of three years of internet complaints, lol.

And white Gandalf Luke running around with a wife and two kids who all join the fight against Snoke's forces? No thanks....

I agree. Plus, it just seems a little too "out there" for me to be willing to believe that Kasdan was involved with it. But who knows?

Hey Khev, unrelated question for you if you don't mind. If the TROS novel notion of Rey's dad being a failed clone gets canonized in a live-action series, is that something you'd find tolerable enough to accept? Or is it too lame to stomach as your "official" version?

I ask because Rey was born 11 years after ROTJ. In the current and upcoming live-action shows, we'll be at about 5 years prior to that. Considering that Rey's parents have to meet, and then conceive her, it's feasible that her dad's existence will be referenced somehow in the near future.

 

[Khev]

Hey Khev, unrelated question for you if you don't mind. If the TROS novel notion of Rey's dad being a failed clone gets canonized in a live-action series, is that something you'd find tolerable enough to accept? Or is it too lame to stomach as your "official" version?

Ugh, yes that would most certainly be a dealbreaker which would probably have me joining in with those who ignore everything in Mando past the Luke episode. The *only* way I would accept "Rey is the daughter of a failed clone* would be if they simultaneously made her cooler in some other way, which I really can't imagine. Yes Mando doubled down on Boba Fett being a Jango clone but it also elevated him above his derpy ROTJ self in other ways which is the only reason I'm accepting it.

So they'd have to do something similar for Rey and since I don't think she needs "fixing" in any way the only outcome I can imagine is that she'd be lamer as a result and they'd be openly contradicting both Ben Solo and Palpatine himself, both of whom stated point blank that she was his granddaughter.

 

[JAWS]

I cant remember why I didnt like the idea of her coming from a clone

But for me personally It would not really bother me.


Not that I was asked.. Just that was a heated debate I got in.. I just did not see the issue with her being the granddaughter.. Some really have an issue with Palps laying pipe.

 

[TheDucky]

... 1977 man.

Fisher's line delivery prior to the swing across the DS chasm is brutal, particularly "They're coming through!"

But it's so campy and classic.

If they re-made ANH to Rogue One quality of course I'd watch it and enjoy it, but nothing is ever going to replace the original Star Wars, flaws and all.

It's also hard to separate what's genuinely bad from Lucas trying to mimic old Flash Gordon serials.

What?s the difference

See, that's where you lose any semblance of credibility Ducky...

Wanting a better movie doesn?t make anyone lose credibility. Keep the old one and update the new one for newer audiences or younger audiences who didn?t grow up with these, who, like me, see how dated the movies are becoming. Which, in turn, gets newer fans into the franchise. Update all of them, OT/PT alike. Original ones will still remain.

I'm a fan of the PT and quite dislike the ST (mostly TLJ, which IMHO is simply a bad movie, but even worse, it's a bad SW movie), but while I understand where you're coming from, it just seems to me that you have no appreciation not only for classic movies and their different aesthetics, but also for George Lucas' intention.

His intentions were killed as soon as Disney bought Star Wars. Not to mention, his intentions were to update these movies, as he did...

IMO, your critique of the Vader/Ben fight is akin to saying Sonny's death in the Godfather is awfully made. Both scenes are of product of their time, of the aesthetics and constraints of the time, and they work fantastically well. The SC38 fan-made short is fun to watch, but it completely misses the tension and gravitas of the original scene. I'm a big fan of the more kinetic and fast light-sabre fights of the PT, but those have no place in the OT, for a number of reasons which I won't go into here, but have been discussed ad nauseam by PT/OT factions.


As for FX, again, these are a product of their time, and while I like most of the enhancements and revisions Lucas has done to the OT's FX, dismissing them is like saying Harryhausen's stop motion is crap because it's not as fluid as CGI. That's absurd. Matte painting, stop-motion, in-camera optical effects are as much (if not more) art forms as CGI and should be enjoyed as they were intended. It seems to me you're just equating "new" with "good" and "old" with "bad".

It was fantastic for 1977 and that is all fine and dandy. Not for 2020. There really is no tension or gravitas. Maybe in 1977, sure. The pace of the fight doesn?t even fit in the Star Wars universe. Point is progress. You don?t keep outdated cars, appliances, etc... because they were ?a product of their time, of the aesthetics and constraints of the time,? you improve and update them as the years go on, as technology advances, as times change. The old version will still be there. Films shouldn?t be stagnant locked in time never to be touched. Disney has the money and CGI capabilities to update certain scenes where they can still keep the same aesthetic and feel of the original, but updating it to fit more inline with the Star Wars universe and current film advancements.

Realistically we may see a time-travel narrative at some point that will alter Star Wars, and undue ST to a degree. Star Trek did it.

Then they can have the Kylo Ren series where he is a young good guy, and never turned to the dark side. Snoke is his main villain.

That point is going to be very very soon... the way the ST unfolded, there is no room to expand on the Grogu/Luke story in a meaningful way without setting the ST up as an alternative timeline.

 

[ZE_501]

What?s the difference [...]

There were clearly certain stylistic choices made that contribute to the work. Now if some of these fall flat or get misinterpreted, that's the risk you take when creating such a work.

One can obviously argue that if the stylistic choices are not discernible from errors, they are failures.

But at that point, you're presented with the problem of where to draw the line, and whether or not it's even the same film anymore.

As I said, I'm not against a re-make but I also don't think it's necessary, nor will it ever replace the original.

But I would certainly enjoy viewing an attempted re-make.

We re-make and re-cast and re-set Shakespeare's works all the time, and they're of a calibre far greater than Star Wars by many orders of magnitude. So no, Star Wars isn't sacred but there is a charm and beauty to the original that can't be imitated. Disney tried that and failed.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Ugh, yes that would most certainly be a dealbreaker which would probably have me joining in with those who ignore everything in Mando past the Luke episode. The *only* way I would accept "Rey is the daughter of a failed clone* would be if they simultaneously made her cooler in some other way, which I really can't imagine. Yes Mando doubled down on Boba Fett being a Jango clone but it also elevated him above his derpy ROTJ self in other ways which is the only reason I'm accepting it.

So they'd have to do something similar for Rey and since I don't think she needs "fixing" in any way the only outcome I can imagine is that she'd be lamer as a result and they'd be openly contradicting both Ben Solo and Palpatine himself, both of whom stated point blank that she was his granddaughter.

Your aversion to the failed clone is much stronger than I even expected. Wow!

I think the chance of any references in live-action is very limited, so you probably won't have to deal with any of this. But I didn't think they'd work in Cobb Vanth and other Disney-era novel/comic references, yet here we are.

If the Pershing clones and Grogu blood do lead to something ST-related, then the chances increase. But current canon has that stuff happening on Exegol, so...

Ah, speculation; one of my favorite "off-season" aspects of SW. Thanks for the response; you surprised me with that one.

I cant remember why I didnt like the idea of her coming from a clone

I'm guessing because, as Khev said, then she's not really Sheev's granddaughter (as he referred to her). I don't know what else he would've called her in the movie if her dad was a failed clone, but it does seem unnecessary to go with clone versus normal offspring.