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That point is going to be very very soon... the way the ST unfolded, there is no room to expand on the Grogu/Luke story in a meaningful way without setting the ST up as an alternative timeline.

There's about 20 years between Luke taking Grogu and the Ben Solo incident. That's more than enough time to get the little guy trained enough to go out on his own. Remember, Yoda was training Jedi at age 100.

But I would certainly enjoy viewing an attempted re-make.

Of A New Hope? They kinda already did one and called it The Force Awakens. :lol
 
Wanting a better movie doesn?t make anyone lose credibility. Keep the old one and update the new one for newer audiences or younger audiences who didn?t grow up with these, who, like me, see how dated the movies are becoming. Which, in turn, gets newer fans into the franchise. Update all of them, OT/PT alike. Original ones will still remain.

But that's the point... I think you're failing to appreciate the art of the movie itself. I have no problem with remakes, although with few exceptions, they usually don't come close to the quality of the originals. The 50's Ben Hur being an exception as it seems to me a better movie than the 20's version. But otherwise, cinema is filled with attempts at "re-imagining" a classic that fail utterly.
To put it another way, it's like saying the 1922 Nosferatu is a bad movie because it's a silent film with hokey acting. If you can't appreciate the art of it, it doesn't mean it's a movie that needs to be made "better".

His intentions were killed as soon as Disney bought Star Wars. Not to mention, his intentions were to update these movies, as he did...

I was referring to his intentions as far as acting and dialogue, not necessarily the FX, as we all know George keeps tinkering on them (usually to good effect, as I also stated, if I'm not mistaken)


It was fantastic for 1977 and that is all fine and dandy. Not for 2020. There really is no tension or gravitas. Maybe in 1977, sure. The pace of the fight doesn?t even fit in the Star Wars universe. Point is progress. You don?t keep outdated cars, appliances, etc... because they were ?a product of their time, of the aesthetics and constraints of the time,? you improve and update them as the years go on, as technology advances, as times change. The old version will still be there. Films shouldn?t be stagnant locked in time never to be touched. Disney has the money and CGI capabilities to update certain scenes where they can still keep the same aesthetic and feel of the original, but updating it to fit more inline with the Star Wars universe and current film advancements.

See, that's the problem. Cinema is more of an art form than a car or an appliance. You don't go around updating the Sistine Chapel or Warhol's Campbell's cans, they are what they are and you either appreciate the artistry in them or you don't, regardless of the fact that they were done in different times with different techniques.

Another example, I find the slow, deliberate movements of the alien in the first film far more effective and terrifying than the jumping around of the AvP movies, regardless of their "artistic" merit. An alien running around and jumping all over the place would look completely out of place in the original, the ame way as a super kinetic and fast fight would look out of place in the original Star Wars.

At any rate, I'm sure we'll just have to agree to disagree. :duff
 
SW time travel: Poppy ****
Remake ANH: preposterous
Original treatment: Nonsense


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I can almost guarantee that the 'time travel'/multiverse thing (which, yeah, does seem pretty un-StarWarsy) is only being touted because probably most ST haters will admit that Disney would never straight-up disregard and pretend those films never happened - as is the policy whenever a new Terminator film comes out. Terminator Genisys and Dark Fate both reset back to T2 - they made no effort to reference or allow for T3 or T:Salvation (or Genisys when it was Dark Fate's turn). They rightly assumed people didn't really care about those films and would have no issue with them being completely overwritten.

Star Wars is.....a bit more complicated. The fandom is never unanimous on anything and there is no precedent for 'decanonizing' a Star Wars film.
 
I honestly could care less if they create a new ST but remember this doomcockers not only will you not get Han, Luke and Leia to share a scene together you are not getting them at all PERIOD!

Enjoy your new ST without Han, Luke and Leia lol
 
Your aversion to the failed clone is much stronger than I even expected. Wow!

I think part of my aversion is that I would see it as too much of a "KK Story Group" victory over the actual filmmakers (Abrams and Terrio) of TROS itself. And once the Story Group really is calling the shots then SW is truly dead, lol.

I think the chance of any references in live-action is very limited, so you probably won't have to deal with any of this. But I didn't think they'd work in Cobb Vanth and other Disney-era novel/comic references, yet here we are.

Wait Cobb Vanth wasn't an original character and came from Disney-era EU? No way.

If the Pershing clones and Grogu blood do lead to something ST-related, then the chances increase. But current canon has that stuff happening on Exegol, so...

Since the EU canon that I do accept says that Palps' spirit was pulsating with so much power that it caused the clone bodies he inhabited to rapidly decompose without cybernetic rejuvenation (hence the funky contraption his corpse was connected to) then I'd be fine with him dictating ongoing clone experiments to produce a more durable host for him to inhabit (which we know will ultimately fail until the Dyad presents itself.)
 
I honestly could care less if they create a new ST but remember this doomcockers not only will you not get Han, Luke and Leia to share a scene together you are not getting them at all PERIOD!

Enjoy your new ST without Han, Luke and Leia lol

I wonder if a win/win for the fandom would be to create a new ST in between Mando and the current ST starring Ahsoka as the main character. She ticks Disney's beloved "progressive" boxes *and* she's a fan favorite with near universal appeal. Have some conflict between her and the Fett Crime Empire, maybe with some "heroic" guest appearances by Luke or Han and have everything wrap up with some semblance of finality to give ST haters some closure with a trilogy that does follow the OT.

Call it something other than Episodes 7, 8, and 9 and don't step on any toes of the FO being created or Ben Solo turning to the Dark Side. Everything can be all wrapped up before he becomes Kylo Ren, Luke goes into exile, and so on. If I remember correctly all that stuff happened 6 or 7 years prior to TFA which gives a window of 18-19 years to play with between Mando Season 2 and the events that kick start the ST.
 
But that's the point... I think you're failing to appreciate the art of the movie itself. I have no problem with remakes, although with few exceptions, they usually don't come close to the quality of the originals. The 50's Ben Hur being an exception as it seems to me a better movie than the 20's version. But otherwise, cinema is filled with attempts at "re-imagining" a classic that fail utterly.
To put it another way, it's like saying the 1922 Nosferatu is a bad movie because it's a silent film with hokey acting. If you can't appreciate the art of it, it doesn't mean it's a movie that needs to be made "better".



I was referring to his intentions as far as acting and dialogue, not necessarily the FX, as we all know George keeps tinkering on them (usually to good effect, as I also stated, if I'm not mistaken)




See, that's the problem. Cinema is more of an art form than a car or an appliance. You don't go around updating the Sistine Chapel or Warhol's Campbell's cans, they are what they are and you either appreciate the artistry in them or you don't, regardless of the fact that they were done in different times with different techniques.

Another example, I find the slow, deliberate movements of the alien in the first film far more effective and terrifying than the jumping around of the AvP movies, regardless of their "artistic" merit. An alien running around and jumping all over the place would look completely out of place in the original, the ame way as a super kinetic and fast fight would look out of place in the original Star Wars.

At any rate, I'm sure we'll just have to agree to disagree. :duff


I agree with everything you are saying.. But I think Ducky was saying that they need to remake only "parts of it" and not a full on remake. Kind of like the SE.


I don't agree with his choices at all... I think the hallway scene is fine. I think the chasm swing is fine in its own charming way as it was a tribute to the old serials. I have watched SC38 and its cool for a fan made youtube video but would hate to have it in the original.

Film is what it is.. A product of its time. Everything will be outdated at some point. SW is a perfect fun family Sci/Fi adventure movie. It needed to be left alone in the first place and needs nothing more. You appreciate it for the art it is. IMO anyways.

It amazes me that as old SW is its still the 1st or 2nd best SW movie by a mile

I did like the updated FX Death Star battle though.. :)

McClunkey !!!
 
I agree with everything you are saying.. But I think Ducky was saying that they need to remake only "parts of it" and not a full on remake. Kind of like the SE.


I don't agree with his choices at all... I think the hallway scene is fine. I think the chasm swing is fine in its own charming way as it was a tribute to the old serials. I have watched SC38 and its cool for a fan made youtube video but would hate to have it in the original.

Film is what it is.. A product of its time. Everything will be outdated at some point. SW is a perfect fun family Sci/Fi adventure movie. It needed to be left alone in the first place and needs nothing more. You appreciate it for the art it is. IMO anyways.

It amazes me that as old SW is its still the 1st or 2nd best SW movie by a mile

I did like the updated FX Death Star battle though.. :)

McClunkey !!!

If I had my druthers we'd get a full 4K restoration of the original theatrical release and then a second version of the film with no dialogue/Greedo changes but every single outer space shot updated with RO/Mando quality effects. That would be freaking awesome to see.
 
Fisher's line delivery prior to the swing across the DS chasm is brutal, particularly "They're coming through!"

But it's so campy and classic.

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There is an example of a line that I am so use to hearing that it sounds fine to me. :lol

Only time I can't stand her line delivery in the OT is pretty much all her lines in ROTJ.
 
If I had my druthers we'd get a full 4K restoration of the original theatrical release and then a second version of the film with no dialogue/Greedo changes but every single outer space shot updated with RO/Mando quality effects. That would be freaking awesome to see.

A fully Updated Death Star battle would be amazing to see. If it was all left alone except for that it would be my preferred viewing of SW. But I need to have that original cut also just to know its there :lol

I think I would give it a pass as its all FX shots anyways.. No replacing actors / dialogue or original intent of the scene.

The Adawan edition tried that and it was cool at the time but now looks outdated...
 
Hers and Hans.

Could you tell Luke, is that who you could tell?

And the classic: Hey... its me.


ROTJ is the PT of its time.

Ford is awful in ROTJ.. Its a big reason when I watched the Saga back to back I really enjoyed his take as Han in TFA. His acting was just so much better then ROTJ.
 
A fully Updated Death Star battle would be amazing to see. If it was all left alone except for that it would be my preferred viewing of SW. But I need to have that original cut also just to know its there :lol

I think I would give it a pass as its all FX shots anyways.. No replacing actors / dialogue or original intent of the scene.

The Adawan edition tried that and it was cool at the time but now looks outdated...

It was always weird to me that George *didn't* update the shots of the Falcon right after Han says "don't worry I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose 'em" and then they cut to the Falcon flying in a straight line. "Let's try no evasive action whatsoever that's a good trick!" :slap

Or the super cheap pyrotechnics of Red Leader crashing into the Death Star. George was so weird in choosing what he did and didn't update.
 
It was always weird to me that George *didn't* update the shots of the Falcon right after Han says "don't worry I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose 'em" and then they cut to the Falcon flying in a straight line. "Let's try no evasive action whatsoever that's a good trick!" :slap

Or the super cheap pyrotechnics of Red Leader crashing into the Death Star. George was so weird in choosing what he did and didn't update.

George is weird period :lol

I agree.. I don't no what he was thinking with what he chose



I am being a bit hypocritical when I discuss this topic.. To wish for updated FX space shots when others might want changes to something like the Obi Wan / Vader duel.

The Adawan cut did something neat with that scene by doing quicker cuts and using the Battle of Hero's music from ROTS. I preferred that to the SC38


It comes back to leaving the original cast and intent of the scenes alone. I always want more and better Dog fights in space and thing the those changes to the SE play well with the rest of the film.

That Wedge Rescuing Luke from the trailing Tie Fighter is so much better in the SE.

I honestly have no issues at all with the rest of the film and think that it has aged just fine for the most part.. Except for that Vader / Obi Wan duel.. But that has never been very good :lol .
 
Yes to me simply updating the starship visuals doesn't betray the spirit of what George was going for. To me you just end up with a more "Rogue One-ish" OT movie which I think most would be just fine with.
 
Wait Cobb Vanth wasn't an original character and came from Disney-era EU? No way.

You're going to wish you hadn't asked, but I trust you won't have a problem compartmentalizing this away from the live-action representation. The character was created by Chuck Wendig in his Aftermath series. Same essential origin story and role within the post-ROTJ time frame.
 
You're going to wish you hadn't asked, but I trust you won't have a problem compartmentalizing this away from the live-action representation. The character was created by Chuck Wendig in his Aftermath series. Same essential origin story and role within the post-ROTJ time frame.

Oh man...

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:yuck

Oh well yes I will compartmentalize just like I do with "Snap Wexley"...
 
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