Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[Prime Clone]

Oh it was definitely the projection that killed him as Kylo had previously foreshadowed that if Rey had tried to project herself across the galaxy to speak to him for even a few moments that "the effort alone would kill you."

That was my original interpretation but someone on here reckoned it was actually the joining of minds he was referring to?

 

[xipotec]

Didn't mean to be condescending. Sorry about that.

I just don't know sometimes how aware we are of the distinction between opinion and fact. Disliking TLJ is perfectly legit, and most here are aligned with you on it. But, using declarative statements about lack of narrative purpose seems to me a bit shortsighted considering the depth of narrative that others appreciated. One isn't right, and the other wrong. It's all opinion. Sometimes I just sense that opinion and fact seem to meld together for some.

It?s really not an opinion. Many people just fail to understand many films. They see the superficial popcorn stuff, and turn off their brains. If there is not enough proper action. To suit them , or it does not meet their preconceived notions , they stop thinking about it and begin ripping it apart....again on mostly a superficial level.

To say Luke died like a punk is just plain stupid. He out powered, out witted and out fought the opponents form millions of miles away. He used his power to keep the principals of the Jedi , the TRUE principals alive. He then chose to become one with the force , knowing he would die from the effort.

Total mastery and control of the living force.

There is no other way to look at it, unless the intention is to be provocative and trolly.


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[a-dev]

Sure.

Sorry, that line just immediately reminded me of that scene, lol

And I didn't think of it. Why didn't I think of it?

I'll take it! Even with the "for all I care" disclaimers.

 

[ironwez20]

It?s really not an opinion. Many people just fail to understand many films. They see the superficial popcorn stuff, and turn off their brains. If there is not enough proper action. To suit them , or it does not meet their preconceived notions , they stop thinking about it and begin ripping it apart....again on mostly a superficial level.

To say Luke died like a punk is just plain stupid. He out powered, out witted and out fought the opponents form millions of miles away. He used his power to keep the principals of the Jedi , the TRUE principals alive. He then chose to become one with the force , knowing he would die from the effort.

Total mastery and control of the living force.

There is no other way to look at it, unless the intention is to be provocative and trolly.


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Meh.......idk. Just cause someone thinks he died like a punk doesn?t mean it?s trolly. People have different outlooks on different things.

 

[JAWS]

Personally I think a bit too much credit is being given to RJ.

Only because there are some of the saga's worst moments and characters in that film.

So there

 

[DiFabio]

It?s really not an opinion. Many people just fail to understand many films. They see the superficial popcorn stuff, and turn off their brains. If there is not enough proper action. To suit them , or it does not meet their preconceived notions , they stop thinking about it and begin ripping it apart....again on mostly a superficial level.

Bad take.

It’s the thinkers that break it down as the mindless schlock it is, not the smooth brained, popcorn munchin’ cretins. They love all this ****. Superheroes, magical fantasy, crappy Star Wars, because they don’t think. People that thought fake Luke was cool are most likely the same crowd that was ******** their pants and clapping like seals when Yoda showed up with a lightsaber. The only thinking they do is justifying why something exists with some convoluted reasoning.

To say Luke died like a punk is just plain stupid.

He didn’t die like a punk, he went out like a little *****.

Aww what, did the magical wizard concentrate too hard? Boo boo. My ***** Gandalf the Grey fell two miles and fought a 12 foot tall DEMON for eight days, with a sword and his BARE hands before finally succumbing to his wounds and dying . . . only to be resurrected!

ST Luke is a punk *** *****. I’m glad he’s dead.



“Acktwuhally, according to SWT, Jedi temple restricted section and muh Star Wars Bible, he’z not dead”

 

[jye4ever]

Not every bad *** has to be cut from the Mclane, Murphy, Dutch, Connor, Ripley and Gandalf cloth it?s ok for TLJ Luke to be a bad *** consistent with the natural progression of his arc

 

[jye4ever]

I hope Ahsoka turns into a villain somehow a disgruntled ronin without a master running missions for Fett that would be awesome

 

[DiFabio]

Not every bad *** has to be cut from the Mclane, Murphy, Dutch, Connor, Ripley and Gandalf cloth it?s ok for TLJ Luke to be a bad *** consistent with the natural progression of his arc

It’s not consistent or progressive, at all.

In previous films, Luke is an action hero and usually the brains behind the mission. His idea to storm the Death Star and bust out Leia. His idea to quit his training and go fight Vader. His idea to break into Jabba’s palace, choke out some pig ****as and jump from skiff to skiff, hacking and slashing Jabba’s goons.




It’s a character that gets a call to action and goes out and does something . . .

Not sit there on a rock after years of doing nothing but drink ***** milk. He basically regressed back to his dreaming, Farmboy self. Luke didn’t become a war hero by dreaming about it on his Aunt and Uncle’s farm, he actually went out and physically did it, from fighter pilot to Jedi Knight. Star Wars is a power fantasy for children (hence why the toys are so important). If you’re a kid, do you wanna be OT Luke Skywalker or ST Luke Skywalker? Yeah, that’s what I thought. It’s like choosing between Wolverine and Professor X. Everyone wants to be a beserker midget with metal claws, NOBODY wants to be a wheelchair bound trickster that projects things with his mind.

Sorry bro, but if you don’t understand this, you’re just not a real Star Wars fan.


Inb4 “b-but MUH REY REY is the hero of the ST and muh power fantasy”

Yeah, I bet most of you ST lovers do fantasize about being Rey. You’ll never be a real woman.

 

[The Buffinator]

It?s not consistent or progressive, at all.

In previous films, Luke is an action hero and usually the brains behind the mission. His idea to storm the Death Star and bust out Leia. His idea to quit his training and go fight Vader. His idea to break into Jabba?s palace, choke out some pig ****as and jump from skiff to skiff, hacking and slashing Jabba?s goons.

It?s a character that gets a call to action and goes out and does something proactive.

Not sit there on a rock. He basically regressed back to his dreaming, Farmboy self. Luke didn?t become a war hero by dreaming about it on his Aunt and Uncle?s farm, he actually went out and physically did it, from fighter pilot to Jedi Knight.

Sorry bro, but if you don?t understand this, you?re just not a real Star Wars fan.

He also was FORTY (FORTY!!!) years younger when he was an action hero. So he didn't regress back to his dreaming, farmboy self, he simply got old. As has been mentioned ad nauseam here, if you want to blame someone for not getting to see more action hero Luke, blame Lucas - he's the one that thought we needed the PT trilogy first.

 

[DiFabio]

He also was FORTY (FORTY!!!) years younger when he was an action hero. So he didn't regress back to his dreaming, farmboy self, he simply got old. As has been mentioned ad nauseam here, if you want to blame someone for not getting to see more action hero Luke, blame Lucas - he's the one that thought we needed the PT trilogy first.

Uh excuse me, excuse me.

Sir Alec Guinness was in his 60s when he was Obi-Wan Kenobi and he still went on the adventure with Luke, trolling Stormtroopers, chopping off cantina alien arms, sabotaging the Death Star and fighting Darth Vader. An active participant, just as action oriented as Luke, Han, Chewbacca, Leia and the droids.

Luke, he had no excuse. I love how when TFA was starting up, they showed off Hamill with all that lost weight, looking all fit and cool and going around LA looking good in Stormtrooper disguise. They turned him from a fat, middle aged toad that was digging out cigarettes from trash cans into, what looked like, a bad *** Jedi Master.

But nope, movie time comes around and not only is he not in the first movie (till the last 5 seconds) he’s a slob in bath robes that hasn’t done anything for decades who ends up not even leaving his hermit hole and dies in the movie he really debuts in. Instead of getting the Last Samurai we got the Dude from big Lebowski. Really subverted my expectations.

 

[ZE_501]

It?s not consistent or progressive, at all. [snip]

I've written walls of text across multiple threads condemning Disney's entire conceptualization of the ST from the marketing to the writing to the characters and what they pretty obviously tried to sell us ... Khev, jye4ever, ajp, and a smattering of Jaws with a dash of like 2 other dudes have their rebuttals ready every single time.

"I don't understand the film, it's not that kind of film, that's just silly, etc. etc."

I'm rightfully ashamed at how much time I've spent picking apart a shoddily made series of children's films meant to capitalize on an aging fanbase's nostalgia and drive merchandise sales to them and a new target demographic of children to attempt to profit from.

If you have the spare time to go at these guys, I'll be greatly entertained.

There are many bad films I like. These aren't them.

But I ain't mad.

 

[The Buffinator]

Uh excuse me, excuse me.

Sir Alec Guinness was in his 60s when he was Obi-Wan Kenobi and he still went on the adventure with Luke, trolling Stormtroopers, chopping off cantina alien arms, sabotaging the Death Star and fighting Darth Vader. An active participant, just as action oriented as Luke, Han, Chewbacca, Leia and the droids.

Luke, he had no excuse. I love how when TFA was starting up, they showed off Hamill with all that lost weight, looking all fit and cool and going around LA looking good in Stormtrooper disguise. They turned him from a fat, middle aged toad that was digging out cigarettes from trash cans into, what looked like, a bad *** Jedi Master.

But nope, movie time comes around and not only is he not in the first movie (till the last 5 seconds) he?s a slob in bath robes that hasn?t done anything for decades who ends up not even leaving his hermit hole and dies in the movie he really debuts in. Instead of getting the Last Samurai we got the Dude from big Lebowski. Really subverted my expectations.

I'm not going to dispute that Obi-Wan participated, but he was hardly an action hero. He cut off one stooge's arm and relied on guile and Jedi mind tricks for the rest. And while convincing Luke to come along he even prefaced their departure from Tattoine with this:

As I recall, he even vanished and became one with the Force halfway through his fight with the bad guy, once he knew his friends were going to escape. Not too different than what Luke did in TLJ, except Luke pulled it off from halfway across the galaxy.

Now, I'm with you up to a point on the subverted expectations front. Luke not even having one line of dialogue in TFA was definitely a disappointment. But I never thought he was going to be a full-blown action hero again. Similar to Obi-Wan? Sure, but let's be real when we discuss what Obi-Wan actually did in that movie.

 

[DiFabio]

shoddily made series of children's films meant to capitalize on an aging fanbase's nostalgia and drive merchandise sales to them and a new target demographic of children to attempt to profit from

Disney didn’t even do THIS right.

I guarantee the middle aged fanboys were more enthralled by the ST and it’s lame merchandise than the actual children it was supposedly aimed for. I think this is especially true if all these reaction YouTube videos from 30-60 somethings are any indication. I just watched a video of this dude crying because Luke and his X-Wing showed up in Mandolorian. Crying! In tears! And it’s not even Luke, it looks about as real as the Hot Toys figure!

Maybe the love for ST Luke stems from the idea that the character in his current state reminds the fanboys of themselves? Old, lazy and impotent, losing their **** over the sacred Jedi texts (Star Wars in general) and projecting their heroic fantasies of grandeur as a reality. If that’s the case, I understand it completely. ST Luke is quite simply Star Wars fans projecting!

Not for me. Take me out back and shoot me in the back of the head if I’m 50, still into buying Star Wars with Episode 10, 11 and 12.

 

[jye4ever]

DiFabio makes it sound as if you enjoyed the ST then you abandoned everything good about the OT including the toys

But I didn’t I still love everything he so passionately described my shelves can prove it lol

BUT I also understood that we couldn’t have COPD big belly real Hamill running around doing Darth Maul flips

Had the ST used flashbacks showing cgi stunt man Luke going from optimistic leader to real Hamill depressed island Jedi it would’ve ruined his climatic reveal in TFA we the audience would have known he was cut off from the force already.

Maybe they should have ended TFA with the saber toss that would have been ball Z lol

 

[jye4ever]

Disney didn’t even do THIS right.

I guarantee the middle aged fanboys were more enthralled by the ST and it’s lame merchandise than the actual children it was supposedly aimed for. I think this is especially true if all these reaction YouTube videos from 30-60 somethings are any indication. I just watched a video of this dude crying because Luke and his X-Wing showed up in Mandolorian. Crying! In tears! And it’s not even Luke, it looks about as real as the Hot Toys figure!

Maybe the love for ST Luke stems from the idea that the character in his current state reminds the fanboys of themselves? Old, lazy and impotent, losing their **** over the sacred Jedi texts (Star Wars in general) and projecting their heroic fantasies of grandeur as a reality. If that’s the case, I understand it completely. ST Luke is quite simply Star Wars fans projecting!

Not for me. Take me out back and shoot me in the back of the head if I’m 50, still into buying Star Wars with Episode 10, 11 and 12.

Jesus why are you even vertical your cold soul is more dead than a Terminator franchise at a NECA board meeting lol

 

[DiFabio]

I'm not going to dispute that Obi-Wan participated, but he was hardly an action hero . . . Sure, but let's be real when we discuss what Obi-Wan actually did in that movie.

Let’s do this bro.

Obi-Wan got off his fat *** and actually did something. ST Luke did not. Anyone in their 60s that actually goes outside and does something instead of staying inside changing their catheters and diapers, is an action hero. My boy old Ben? Shieeet he scared off some Sandpeople, healed my boy Luke, gave him a cool laser sword, chopped a drunk mofo’s arm off, bamboozaled a pirate into thinking he had money, jumped on a pirate ship into SPACE and fought an evil Dark Lord.

ST Luke is a mopey *****. His ***? He didn’t even leave that Porg planet island thing. He whined. He was like “no Rey, Jedi are poopy heads”. He was completely INACTIVE. Did he take his call to action? No. Then when you finally think his fat *** got off porg planet and he’s gonna fight the Nu-Empire one on one, it’s all an illusion. He didn’t do anything. Finn and uh, Tico de Gallo’s shenanigans was a better distraction than hologram Luke.

But yeah, in terms of story. Rey didn’t even need Luke to progress her journey. She was gonna do all that **** regardless because damn it, she’s Rey! Farmboy Luke? That ***** needed Ben Kenobi. If Ben Kenobi didn’t show up, Luke was gonna get ***** by some sandpeople just like his grandma. If Ben Kenobi didn’t show up, Luke wouldn’t have a cool blue lazer sword. If Ben didn’t keep on him to come with him to Alderaan, Luke would have been a reduced to a BBQ corpse like his Aunt and Uncle. Old Ben knows the Mos Eisley spaceport, he knows about the Cantina. He sets up the meeting with Han and Chewbacca. Maaaan, Princess Leia WANTS Ben Kenobi, he fought alongside her father in the Clone Wars! Dudes a hero. He’s coming out of retirement for one last hoorah and goes out in style.

Old Luke is a grouchy prick. He doesn’t want to do anything. He doesn’t really teach Rey. He doesn’t accompany her anywhere. She has no respect for him. He doesn’t impart any real knowledge that she couldn’t just pick up from Han Solo or Leia. He’s a ****ing a loser. “Muh Nephew”, “Muh jedi temple”, “Muh force”. He doesn’t inspire Rey, in fact, she’s disgusted by him and tries to chop his head off when Kylo is like “yeah, he tried to kill me when I was a kid” during that Force zoom call. Luke sucks. He doesn’t do **** and it’s not because he’s old, it’s because he’s a ****ing loser. He didn’t even have the balls to get obliterated by Super AT-AT canon fire or chopped in half by his nephew. Instead, he “performed it” like an actor. Ewwwwwww

Old Ben? He was actually on the Death Star doin’ some gangster ****. He spooked the **** out of Darth because he was ACTUALLY there. He guided Luke into the role of the hero because HE WAS ACTUALLY THERE. Yo, who put the tractor beam out of commission so Luke and the gang could escape? Oh, Tarkin and Vader so they could track the Falcon? Oh, uhhh, Ben Kenobi WAS THERE!

Nuff said. ST Luke is ***** and a disappointment after waiting for Luke to return on the big screen since 1983. Atleast when Obi-Wan Kenobi returned to the big screen he was slicing up battle droids, pranking Liam Neeson and chopping Sith Lords in half.

ST Luke is a ***** and the ST are crappy movies. Nuff said.

 

[DiFabio]

DiFabio makes it sound as if you enjoyed the ST then you abandoned everything good about the OT including the toys

But I didn’t I still love everything he so passionately described my shelves can prove it lol

BUT I also understood that we couldn’t have COPD big belly real Hamill running around doing Darth Maul flips

Had the ST used flashbacks showing cgi stunt man Luke going from optimistic leader to real Hamill depressed island Jedi it would’ve ruined his climatic reveal in TFA we the audience would have known he was cut off from the force already.

Maybe they should have ended TFA with the saber toss that would have been ball Z lol

Jesus why are you even vertical your cold soul is more dead than a Terminator franchise at a NECA board meeting lol

You wanted me back, well, here I am.

Enjoy it while it lasts my dude.

 

[The Buffinator]

Let?s do this bro.

Obi-Wan got off his fat *** and actually did something. ST Luke did not. Anyone in their 60s that actually goes outside and does something instead of staying inside changing their catheters and diapers, is an action hero. My boy old Ben? Shieeet he scared off some Sandpeople, healed my boy Luke, gave him a cool laser sword, chopped a drunk mofo?s arm off, bamboozaled a pirate into thinking he had money, jumped on a pirate ship into SPACE and fought an evil Dark Lord.

ST Luke is a mopey *****. His ***? He didn?t even leave that Porg planet island thing. He whined. He was like ?no Rey, Jedi are poopy heads?. He was completely INACTIVE. Did he take his call to action? No. Then when you finally think his fat *** got off porg planet and he?s gonna fight the Nu-Empire one on one, it?s all an illusion. He didn?t do anything. Finn and uh, Tico de Gallo?s shenanigans was a better distraction than hologram Luke.

But yeah, in terms of story. Rey didn?t even need Luke to progress her journey. She was gonna do all that **** regardless because damn it, she?s Rey! Farmboy Luke? That ***** needed Ben Kenobi. If Ben Kenobi didn?t show up, Luke was gonna get ***** by some sandpeople just like his grandma. If Ben Kenobi didn?t show up, Luke wouldn?t have a cool blue lazer sword. If Ben didn?t keep on him to come with him to Alderaan, Luke would have been a reduced to a BBQ corpse like his Aunt and Uncle. Old Ben knows the Mos Eisley spaceport, he knows about the Cantina. He sets up the meeting with Han and Chewbacca. Maaaan, Princess Leia WANTS Ben Kenobi, he fought alongside her father in the Clone Wars! Dudes a hero. He?s coming out of retirement for one last hoorah and goes out in style.

Old Luke is a grouchy prick. He doesn?t want to do anything. He doesn?t really teach Rey. He doesn?t accompany her anywhere. She has no respect for him. He doesn?t impart any real knowledge that she couldn?t just pick up from Han Solo or Leia. He?s a ****ing a loser. ?Muh Nephew?, ?Muh jedi temple?, ?Muh force?. He doesn?t inspire Rey, in fact, she?s disgusted by him and tries to chop his head off when Kylo is like ?yeah, he tried to kill me when I was a kid? during that Force zoom call. Luke sucks. He doesn?t do **** and it?s not because he?s old, it?s because he?s a ****ing loser. He didn?t even have the balls to get obliterated by Super AT-AT canon fire or chopped in half by his nephew. Instead, he ?performed it? like an actor. Ewwwwwww

Old Ben? He was actually on the Death Star doin? some gangster ****. He spooked the **** out of Darth because he was ACTUALLY there. He guided Luke into the role of the hero because HE WAS ACTUALLY THERE. Yo, who put the tractor beam out of commission so Luke and the gang could escape? Oh, Tarkin and Vader so they could track the Falcon? Oh, uhhh, Ben Kenobi WAS THERE!

Nuff said. ST Luke is ***** and a disappointment after waiting for Luke to return on the big screen since 1983. Atleast when Obi-Wan Kenobi returned to the big screen he was slicing up battle droids, pranking Liam Neeson and chopping Sith Lords in half.

ST Luke is a ***** and the ST are crappy movies. Nuff said.

Speaking of people who need to actually go outside and do something instead of staying inside changing their catheters...

 

[jye4ever]

You wanted me back, well, here I am.

Enjoy it while it lasts my dude.

This is true no one destroys a movie as funny as you do lol