Star Wars Saga (OT/PT/ST) Discussion Thread

[Prime Clone]

 

[Dark_Knight_89]

The best opening of any Star Wars movie

 

[abake]

The best opening of any Star Wars movie

Indeed. This and ANH have the best SW openings.

 

[Prime Clone]

 

[Ramatuelle]

Mando > Star Wars saga....

You are kinda not wrong here.

I will go further and say that i would like to see Mando doing his own new thing with no further input from any Skywalkers at all, ever and if Ahsoka did not stroll through every five minutes that would also be great. Lets let Mando become a legend in his own right, we have done enough Skywalker stuff and lets see something new. In a whole galaxy the same people keep reappearing.

Lets see a show or movie about Sidon Ithano plundering the galaxy with his unfrozen Clone soldier in tow, lets see a pirate war or ANYTHING WITHOUT SKYWALKERS, THX and I say that as someone who enjoyed Lukes season 2 Mando entrance.

 

[greygoose]

You are kinda not wrong here.

I will go further and say that i would like to see Mando doing his own new thing with no further input from any Skywalkers at all, ever and if Ahsoka did not stroll through every five minutes that would also be great. Lets let Mando become a legend in his own right, we have done enough Skywalker stuff and lets see something new. In a whole galaxy the same people keep reappearing.

Lets see a show or movie about Sidon Ithano plundering the galaxy with his unfrozen Clone soldier in tow, lets see a pirate war or ANYTHING WITHOUT SKYWALKERS, THX and I say that as someone who enjoyed Lukes season 2 Mando entrance.

Less Skywalker and definitely less Disney Luke in Mando.

 

[ZE_501]

Less Skywalker and definitely less Disney Luke in Mando.

What was so great about The Mandalorian was no steenkin' Jedi or Skywa --

 

[Ramatuelle]

Lassa Rhayme + Blood Bone Order vs. Hondo Ohnaka and gang, I want to see it in live action! That would be something different for sure.

Two charming and likeable pirates and their shenanigans. It would definitely beat Somehow Palpatine Returned.

 

[JMT1979]

Mando > Star Wars saga....

Mando > whole SW movie series
OT > Mando

 

[Victοr]

KotOR I & II > All Other SW

 

[Khev]

Dave Filoni said something recently (or he said it a while ago and it was quoted recently) that makes me see KK's "we had no material to draw on" a little differently.

And what Filoni basically said was that George considered *none* of the EU novels or comics canon. He basically allowed it to exist as a parallel universe completely separate from the films and TCW in order appease fan demand and make a ton of extra money on the side. Sure he would mine the EU for names (Coruscant) or certain character looks (Aayla Secura, etc.) but that's it.

So I wonder if KK just meant that there were no canon stories to adapt for films if she knew that George had already rejected the EU as a whole, which obviously would be true. And they just cherry-picked certain elements from Dark Empire or what have you for the ST because that's what George always did.

 

[jye4ever]

Prime Clone wishes KK had stuck to the books more….

 

[Prime Clone]

George considered *none* of the EU novels or comics canon. He basically allowed it to exist as a parallel universe completely separate from the films and TCW in order appease fan demand and make a ton of extra money on the side.

They still had to fit with the movies though, hence Leland Chee's Holocron which later morphed into the dreaded Story Group. That's why we once had several layers of canon, with G-canon at the top.

Sure he would mine the EU for names (Coruscant) or certain character looks (Aayla Secura, etc.) but that's it.

Also the whole concept of Mandalore and Mandalorians. I still remember eating up Boba's first origin in a 1983 Marvel comic.

George also said the EU would come up with an explanation for Anakin's scar. Just be glad his own account never made it to screen!

 

[Prime Clone]

Speaking of the Holocron, in 2012 Chee wrote: "In the end, my ongoing vision is that as long as there’s the Holocron, Star Wars will not reboot."

In 2014, the Holocron was replace by the Story Group and Star Wars rebooted.

 

[Khev]

Also the whole concept of Mandalore and Mandalorians. I still remember eating up Boba's first origin in a 1983 Marvel comic.

No, Boba Fett being a Mandalorian wasn't pulled from Marvel comics. It was a concept that came up in story meetings for ESB when Fett's character was being developed and was first mentioned in print in Joe Johnston's 1980 ESB sketchbook.

 

[jye4ever]

Damn it and here I believed Prime when he told me that AtAt walkers were first mentioned in Bazooka bubble gum wrappers!

 

[Prime Clone]

No, Boba Fett being a Mandalorian wasn't pulled from Marvel comics. It was a concept that came up in story meetings for ESB when Fett's character was being developed and was first mentioned in print in Joe Johnston's 1980 ESB sketchbook.

Damn it and here I believed Prime when he told me that AtAt walkers were first mentioned in Bazooka bubble gum wrappers!

I've been living two lies all these decades

Anyhoo, it illustrates the EU stuff *was* canon in the early days at least. Marvel and LFL worked closely together.

 

[ScoutingForToys]

I'm not sure what on earth possessed me but I rewatched TFA the other day, for the first time in years. My 3rd viewing of the film.
I was actually having fun for the first 30 mins or so. Shallow dumb fun, but fun nonetheless.
Watched it from the start up until Rey and Finn escaping and meeting up with Han and Chewie. Then got bored and fast forwarded. Stopped at the battle scene at the cantina/Castle thing. Watched that for a bit. Got bored and fast forwarded until the final battle. Quite enjoyed the X-Wing attack on the deathstar rip off/TIE dog fights etc. Switched it off after deathstar 3 blew up.
No plans to rewatch TLJ or TROS. I'll go to my grave having only watched each of those films just the once.

So yeah. First half hour. Finn and Poe great together, enjoyed their scenes. Finn and Rey were quite entertaining for that first 30 mins or so too. Rest of the film was mostly dull.

If they had only had JJ do all 3 of the ST, we might have ended up with a shallow dumb but fun trilogy. Instead they brought on RJ to do whatever he wanted with the middle part of the trilogy. Oh well.

There are still issues with TFA. Although he's likeable, Finn is still a bit too happy go lucky, energetic puppy in my opinion. You'd think a child soldier of an extremist paramilitary group would have more of an edge. There was potential there to make him a Jedi too, which would have been an interesting arc from stormtrooper to Jedi. Finn, like pretty much everything else in the ST, was a missed opportunity.

The old Rey doing stuff like telekinesis and mind trick etc without training. The hope that all will be explained in the next movie. Lol no. Thanks RJ.
There was an interesting story there, Rey potentially turning to the darkside because she had all this power and ability without cost or training. The quick and easy way.
Easily could have had Rey turn to the darkside to play against a Jedi Finn or a reformed Ben Solo. So much potential.

Snoke. Could have done something interesting. Had him be an ancient Sith. Had him be Plagueis the Wise, survived Palpatines attack but left scarred. Lol no. Thanks RJ.

TFA also has a severe lack of world building and explaining. I seen the excuse that ANH didn't do much either but that was the first Star Wars. At this point it's a well established universe. They ought to explain who the Resistance is and who the FO are better. The FO destroyed the New Republic in that one deathstar 3 attack and that's it, they're done?
I know this stuff was later explained in books but for crying out loud.

I have no intention of watching the other 2 parts of the ST so you'll be spared from reading long rants about them from me.

And besides. The arguments against TLJ and TROS have been repeated ad nauseum over the last few years and I've no desire to retread it.

 

[Khev]

Lol

 

[darth dennis]

Lol

Let's not forget he almost got "cooked" before he even started his run on the first Death Star... "Not such a bad pilot", indeed.