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Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Fan Thread!
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It's okay. You're safe in your survival bubble. It was just a public service announcement!
The air in here won't run out for a while yet.
The air in here won't run out for a while yet.
Had some gripes with the last movie as someone who really liked TLJ. But here's the main ones:
1. Some things didn't look to have much effort put into them production-wise. Luke's super obvious wig wasn't even remotely close to length as his TLJ hair, Kylo's helmet looked far more "hasbro" than it did in the first two movies, etc.
2. The lightsaber battles could have definitely been choreographed better IMO, found them lacking, a bit short, and honestly just shot poorly. DS2 battle should've been much more emotional and impactful.
3. The biggest one
1. Some things didn't look to have much effort put into them production-wise. Luke's super obvious wig wasn't even remotely close to length as his TLJ hair, Kylo's helmet looked far more "hasbro" than it did in the first two movies, etc.
2. The lightsaber battles could have definitely been choreographed better IMO, found them lacking, a bit short, and honestly just shot poorly. DS2 battle should've been much more emotional and impactful.
3. The biggest one
killing Ben Solo. What the ****. Such a huge opportunity wasted, so many future stories gone. The message changed from "you can always fix your mistakes" to "you can always fix your mistakes as long as you die after" lol. If you've read any of the books or comics, this poor kid has been tortured and manipulated by the dark since he was a baby. He's happy for like 2 minutes and dies. Totally a cop out IMO...
This should've been the ending shot if they wanted the twin suns
Would've also been cool if the last scene was Ben and Rey rebuilding the temple he burnt down...
This should've been the ending shot if they wanted the twin suns
Would've also been cool if the last scene was Ben and Rey rebuilding the temple he burnt down...
I don't like The Mandalorian, haven't made it all the way through one episode yet. It's just boring to me and like you said everyone's take is valid. Someone else mentioned 1980, ESB is my least favorite Star Wars movie. I don't love everything Star Wars and don't need people saying we can't be friends if I like something they don't. Yes, someone here posted that to me. I mostly come here to check out the figures anyway, suppose I should stick to reading those area's.
Had some gripes with the last movie as someone who really liked TLJ. But here's the main ones:
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3. The biggest onekilling Ben Solo. What the ****. Such a huge opportunity wasted, so many future stories gone. The message changed from "you can always fix your mistakes" to "you can always fix your mistakes as long as you die after" lol. If you've read any of the books or comics, this poor kid has been tortured and manipulated by the dark since he was a baby. He's happy for like 2 minutes and dies. Totally a cop out IMO...
This should've been the ending shot if they wanted the twin suns
Would've also been cool if the last scene was Ben and Rey rebuilding the temple he burnt down...
Well, I haven't read any of the books, but it seems to me that had he lived the first thing that would take place in the next movie was his trial for the countless atrocities he committed on numerous worlds. So after he was either executed or locked away forever, what huge opportunities did you have in mind?
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Its really not that old. I'm not calling out anyone in particular or saying everyone acts like this, but lets be real, there are a LOT of people on this forum that are quicker to hate than appreciate. I've been reading these takes for 5 years now. If you go into something believing it HAS to be like this (some preconception) in order for it to be good, then you'll probably have a negative reaction. One example: Luke's character arc in the ST. I thought it was an interesting avenue to go, but most thought it was blasphemous.
My issue is not that people don't blindly love everything, its that people are just so quick to be dismissive and trash something because it didn't turn out exactly how they thought it would. Its simple closed mindedness. I'm not a blind star wars lover, I just choose to focus on the positive aspects of each film.
Truthfully, there are flaws with each entry, including the OT. But I accept them as they are and enjoy all of them, even the Clone Wars film. Even that movie has some redeeming aspects to it. On the other hand, the Mandalorian, which is supposed to be the second coming of the OT to reunite the fanbase started out great and really fell off in episodes 4-6. In spite of some boring plots and bad acting, I still choose to focus on what is good there: style, setting, music, character building, etc.
And if a lot of the people I'm thinking of turn out to like TROS, then that's awesome! I really just want people in general to move away from so much toxic negativity, especially on social media. Its ok to not like something, but its not ok to be so obnoxious that you try to ruin it for everyone else.
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The bummer is people not merely giving their opinions but taking snide jabs at people who have the opposite views. I see it coming from both sides though. It's not going anywhere unfortunately. It's always going to be a thing.
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So I was thinking about the movie and thought about a crazy detail that changes everything we thought about the dark side.
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At the end when Palpatine wants Rey to strike him down and become the Empress, he says 1000 generations of Sith live in him and she needs to complete the sacrifice. So as each Sith apprentice kills the master, that master's spirit and power in the dark side (and every one prior) possesses them. So Palpatine carries the spirits of every Sith Lord and their power. It explains why he is so damn powerful and probably how he survived until now.
If you think about it, Vader killed Dooku and as far as we know, Dooku never killed a Sith lord to become Sidious's apprentice. So Vader never had the thousands of sith inside him, which could explain why he was never able to fully extinguish the light from inside himself. But since Vader DID kill Dooku, he took his Dark power.
To sum up, it gave a whole new weight to the scene when Luke was tempted in ROTJ. I always thought it was a metaphor when Palps said Luke would strike him down and start down the Dark path, but it was literal. If Luke had killed Palpatine, then he would've inherited all those Sith spirits and been possessed forever. My belief is Vader knew this deep down and blocked the attack to save Luke from that. So to the Sith, killing the master and taking their power was a ritual they practiced for thousands of years. In a sense, the powers and knowledge of each master lives on in the new host of the Dark side..
So when Rey gets up with the power of all the Jedi before her and defeats Palpatine, she effectively ends the Sith and their line of power forever.
This is one reason I love this film. So many lore implications are sprinkled throughout. Brilliant job by Abrams and Terrio.
If you think about it, Vader killed Dooku and as far as we know, Dooku never killed a Sith lord to become Sidious's apprentice. So Vader never had the thousands of sith inside him, which could explain why he was never able to fully extinguish the light from inside himself. But since Vader DID kill Dooku, he took his Dark power.
To sum up, it gave a whole new weight to the scene when Luke was tempted in ROTJ. I always thought it was a metaphor when Palps said Luke would strike him down and start down the Dark path, but it was literal. If Luke had killed Palpatine, then he would've inherited all those Sith spirits and been possessed forever. My belief is Vader knew this deep down and blocked the attack to save Luke from that. So to the Sith, killing the master and taking their power was a ritual they practiced for thousands of years. In a sense, the powers and knowledge of each master lives on in the new host of the Dark side..
So when Rey gets up with the power of all the Jedi before her and defeats Palpatine, she effectively ends the Sith and their line of power forever.
This is one reason I love this film. So many lore implications are sprinkled throughout. Brilliant job by Abrams and Terrio.
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If he is all-powerful why did he need (a) the Clone Wars and (b) the proxy of Snoke and the First Order?
rushmore223
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I saw it today and I enjoyed it. But honestly, I'm so burned out by all the hate and negativity on here (this forum, not thread) in all the time since TFA, that I just can't summon the desire to write about what I liked and didn't like.
I'll see it again, soon.
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I'll see it again, soon.
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The internet's only purpose is to debate. That's all its good at.
There's already a ton of Babu Frik vs Baby Yoda... google it. I mean, the internet wants to put you at war. Pick a side. Choose a group. Make a stand.
If you give up, then the internet has already won.
There's already a ton of Babu Frik vs Baby Yoda... google it. I mean, the internet wants to put you at war. Pick a side. Choose a group. Make a stand.
If you give up, then the internet has already won.
rushmore223
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Yep, I feel somewhat defeated, at least about sharing with others.
I still like (or dislike) these movies the same as I always have. No amount of hate/negativity will change that. I'm stubborn that way.
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I hear you. There definitely seems to be a good deal of negativity in the main TROS thread but eh, at the end of the day we enjoyed them movie so first world problems if everyone doesn't agree with us right?
rushmore223
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Just don't understand what the point of bashing something nonstop, day after day is? If that's what I looked forward to in my life, I'd kill myself.I hear you. There definitely seems to be a good deal of negativity in the main TROS thread but eh, at the end of the day we enjoyed them movie so first world problems if everyone doesn't agree with us right?
If I don't like something, I might say my piece and move on. Not focus on it constantly
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Honestly, I see very little "debate" going on, and more, "your opinion is stupid and differs from mine, therefore you are stupid and must be destroyed". I tried, and my thoughts were ignored in favour of ongoing fighting.
At least you engaged with it, but moreso for comedic purposes. As another tired of the relentless negativity (earned or not) I understand the desire to take Luke's path and just no longer engage (except when I do, like here, even though I shouldn't).
For some it's been day after day for the last few years. I honestly don't know where they get the fuel for it.
I dunno why you guys let it bother you so much. Who cares if a bunch of people are negative all the time. You say your piece about the topic, engage with the people who share your opinion and ignore the rest. Can't it be that simple?
And I can point you to much worse places than SSF in any case. There are good, balanced people here. Just talk to those guys.
And I can point you to much worse places than SSF in any case. There are good, balanced people here. Just talk to those guys.
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