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Funny that you posted this. One of my first searches after watching Acolyte was literally "does Headland practice witchcraft". lol
Something just seemed off about the witches thing.
That satan statue with the two little kids standing beside him is messed up on a whole new level though!
I know most people these days don't believe in any spiritual realm or God, but I do. And seeing someone have a crapload of pentagrams (under a Christmas tree? Really?!) around the house is asking for it.
If anyone on the forum practices witchcraft, be careful. You might not like what you'll come face to face with some day.

Anyhow, back on Acolyte topic!
Or I would, but I can't think of anything nice to say about the show, so I'll just keep scrolling for now. lol
 
Funny that you posted this. One of my first searches after watching Acolyte was literally "does Headland practice witchcraft". lol
Something just seemed off about the witches thing.
That satan statue with the two little kids standing beside him is messed up on a whole new level though!
I know most people these days don't believe in any spiritual realm or God, but I do. And seeing someone have a crapload of pentagrams (under a Christmas tree? Really?!) around the house is asking for it.
If anyone on the forum practices witchcraft, be careful. You might not like what you'll come face to face with some day.

Anyhow, back on Acolyte topic!
Or I would, but I can't think of anything nice to say about the show, so I'll just keep scrolling for now. lol
I don't believe in the supernatural but just based on experience, anyone into witchcraft and/or satanic stuff is usually a horrible person. It attracts weirdo's like poop attracts flies
 
We can only hope that Kathy didn't interfere with it

Isn't it odd? If it's good Star Wars, then Kathy didn't have anything to do with it. If it's bad Star Wars, then it was all Kathy's fault.

Folks have got to make up their mind, either she's in charge of all of it, or none of it. You can't make her the boogeyman of just the stuff you don't like.
 
Isn't it odd? If it's good Star Wars, then Kathy didn't have anything to do with it. If it's bad Star Wars, then it was all Kathy's fault.

Folks have got to make up their mind, either she's in charge of all of it, or none of it. You can't make her the boogeyman of just the stuff you don't like.
She was hands off for the most part for Andor, Gilroy had a lot of freedom. She was more hands on with most of the stuff that turned out bad. Things aren't black and white, there is usually degrees to things.
 
Think about this amazing quote below from Andor and then of the chant from the Acolyte. It's night and day. Hiring creative people pays dividends. I'm not a writer or a show runner, but they could have had the chant be an alien language, what was happening was implied anyway.....:huh


"Calm. Kindness, kinship. Love. I’ve given up all chance at inner peace, I’ve made my mind a sunless space. I share my dreams with ghosts. I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there’s only one conclusion: I’m damned for what I do. My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield, my eagerness to fight, they’ve set me on a path from which there is no escape. I yearned to be a savior against injustice without contemplating the cost, and by the time I looked down, there was no longer any ground beneath my feet.

What is... what is my sacrifice? I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else’s future. I burn my life, to make a sunrise that I know I’ll never see. No, the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror, or an audience, or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice?

Everything."
 
https://thatparkplace.com/former-lu...-lucasfim-and-on-star-wars-after-the-acolyte/

Former Lucasfilm Animation Employee Says He’s Embarrassed And Ashamed To Have Worked At Lucasfim And On Star Wars After ‘The Acolyte’​

June 17, 2024 · John F. Trent

A former Lucasfilm employee recently shared that he’s embarrassed to have worked on Star Wars in the wake of The Acolyte releasing to Disney+.

The employee who runs a channel called Knee Payne detailed he was at Lucasfilm when the company was sold by George Lucas to The Walt Disney Company.

He detailed, “I was there when that happened and watched 90% of my co-workers get laid off. I [was] the lucky enough to survive that layoff. I use the word ‘lucky’ loosely. But I was there during the transition. I’ll admit early on there was some hope. There was hope because they sat down, you know, [Kathleen Kennedy] in a presentation of the company and they showed us something we had never seen before under George and that was a 10-year plan. … I actually felt really good about that. They said, ‘They’re going to be three more movies.’ You know, we’re all really excited.”

He then shared, “I left some years after that. I’ve been gone for about seven years now. And, I talked about this in another video, when the third set of trilogies came out: The Force Awakens and the whole thing with Rey. I try to block a lot of it out. Actually, I don’t remember the names of all those episodes that came out under [Kathleen Kennedy]. But I remember going to the crew screenings and coming out not really feeling it, right?

“And then having the audacity and the nerve at work to say, ‘Yeah, I didn’t really like it.’ And then starting to find out who the real fanboys are. And I’ll tell you what, some of the biggest fanboys you’ll find, and the most toxic, work there. ‘Cause you weren’t allowed to not like it. If you had an opinion, best to keep it to yourself. People would make you very, very uncomfortable,” he asserted.

“I really was not happy with the culture, the life there. It had changed a lot.,” he went on to state.

Later in the video, he detailed how co-workers at Lucasfilm lost their minds at him because he noted he did not like the character of Rey.

He said, “I remember a personal experience being in the studio and being like, ‘I don’t know if I really like the character Rey.’ And just like my co-workers just losing their ever living s**t at me. Really getting pissed off at me because I didn’t like it.”

Furthermore, he relayed that you could not express negative opinions regarding Disney’s Star Wars claiming it was “taboo.”

Interestingly, he went on to reveal that Dave Filoni has been driving significant creative choices going as far back as to The Clone Wars.

He explained, “[Dave Filoni] has had power for a long time. He’s even had power back to The Clone Wars days to carefully pushback on certain decisions. When it came to Clone Wars because definitely early on George drove it all, but there was definitely a point — I can’t really tell you what season it was — where Filoni and rightfully so — if you’re the Supervising Director, you need to stand up for the project at some point — he did the right thing in standing up to George.”

Still later in the video, he reacted to The Acolyte and the show’s third episode. The episode depicts Mae lighting a candle, throwing it at the room she locked her sister into, and attempting to burn her sister alive. It also shows this fire apparently spreading throughout an entire fortress. Eventually a scene shows the coven of lesbian witches laying on the ground dead as one of the Jedi escorts Osha out of the fortress. Her sister Mae fell down a shaft and was believed to be dead.

He said, “You see little tidbits like this. I don’t need to see the whole thing, honestly, to know that there’s really bad writing involved. This is just so cringy, outside the blasted song. That was awful.”

Then after watching a clip of Koril tell Mother Aniseya that she carried the twins and Mother Aniseya informing her that she created them, he said, “Honestly, between clips like that and this overwhelmingly negative responses by the fans, why on earth would I want to subscribe to Disney+ to actually watch this so I could have an informed opinion? My opinion’s informed enough.”

Next, he declared. “It used to be kind of nice to have that part of life on the résumé. It made for a good icebreaker especially when I got out of the industry. … Now, it’s kind of embarrassing actually. It really actually kind of is embarrassing.”

He later added, “I can’t believe I’m actually kind of ashamed a little bit. Now, with that said I think I’d be more ashamed if I’d worked at Lucasfilm over the past 6 to 8 years. That’s definitely worth being ashamed of. I left before things got really bad, but I’m still kind of ashamed. Still kind of ashamed. And I do feel bad for the fans.”

Finally, he concluded his video informing viewers that Star Wars is not going to get any better, “I’ve known for a long time it’s not going to get better. … I could have told a lot of you this from my personal experience and what I’ve seen, what I know. It was never going to get better. I knew they were going to double down, quadruple down on their position and just keep going in that direction. And here it is.”

“A lot of people are saying, ‘Okay, that’s it. This episode three of Acolyte has killed Star Wars.’ I disagree with that one. I think we have yet to see Star Wars truly die,” he said. “They’re going to take it one step further just you wait and see. We have yet to see their final form. This is not the end boss. We have yet to actually see the end boss, the true bottom of the barrel of the abysmal thing they call creativity at that company. We have yet to see its final form. These are mini bosses. Leslye Headland, she’s a mini boss. I think [Kathleen Kennedy’s] a mini boss, honestly.”

“Is Filoni the final end boss? Who knows? Who knows? But it is going to get worse. Just you wait. It is going to get worse. I guarantee it,” he concluded.


 
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I really hope that Andor 2 continues the great story telling that season one had.

Am a little uneasy about the dividing Season 2 into 4 "quarters" , e.g. jumping year by year to link up with Rogue One, but on the other hand the actors - who can't say much - seem happy, and I'm willing to extend the last of my fading faith to a director who says this is the most important work of his life.

That's putting out on the table from an award winner:horror. (https://in.ign.com/india/205370/new...r Tony Gilroy Says,Important Work of His Life)

Even if I don't like what he does, he's been working on Andor 5 years. There's productions I'm not wild about but can't deny they are well-crafted. Tho I don't see any real reason this won't be stellar.

LH may have thought her work was important too, but someone should have pointed out that self-insert fan fiction isn't IMPORTANT:lol. That's what's called a vanity project, like that J-Lo debacle (which I didn't watch but it's impressive watching folks burn millions of dollars).
 
I don't believe in the supernatural but just based on experience, anyone into witchcraft and/or satanic stuff is usually a horrible person. It attracts weirdo's like poop attracts flies
I mean thats the thing right? Whether or not a person believes in it, when has witchcraft ever been considered as something other than occult worshiping?
I recall a musician once saying how she "sacrificed" chickens in a closet for her witchcraft.
And look at the Nightsisters. They were Dark Side users through and through. Maybe not as murderous as the Sith, but still pretty violent and psychotic.
They didn't just "break off" from the group and decide to become "Thread wielders of Love" or whatever these witches are supposed to be. Thats kind of a hard sell. lol

I feel like at this point Kathleen is the being on that statue was modeled after with Disney exec's on either side of her doing her bidding. "Yes, my Master".
I'll admit though, I was kind of surprised to see Filoni's wife being one of them. Which means he probably is as well.
I don't recall George being into that however. I believe he's Buddhism or something like that.
 
She was hands off for the most part for Andor, Gilroy had a lot of freedom. She was more hands on with most of the stuff that turned out bad. Things aren't black and white, there is usually degrees to things.

How do you know that?
 
Funny that you posted this. One of my first searches after watching Acolyte was literally "does Headland practice witchcraft". lol
Something just seemed off about the witches thing.
That satan statue with the two little kids standing beside him is messed up on a whole new level though!
I know most people these days don't believe in any spiritual realm or God, but I do. And seeing someone have a crapload of pentagrams (under a Christmas tree? Really?!) around the house is asking for it.
If anyone on the forum practices witchcraft, be careful. You might not like what you'll come face to face with some day.

Anyhow, back on Acolyte topic!
Or I would, but I can't think of anything nice to say about the show, so I'll just keep scrolling for now. lol
No-one IMO ever has to apologize for having faith, or a faith. In the largest sense - as it would be a deep discussion - it's hope. Belief in a balance. As when Gandalf explains to Frodo that "other forces meant for him to have the Ring.")

Which IMO watering down the concept of the Force (even tho Lucas kind of messed it up, a bit) with the rampant illogic in this show is all the more irritating😡 and feels like cheap co-opting. Even including co-opting Greek/Roman mythologies Three Fates (that control the thread of life).

I'd have liked to have seen some really cool ancient Jedi temples. Clashes with Mandalorians. Maybe a story about twins, where one is kind of shallow (since it's a golden era and all that) but loses a sibling Jedi in training to an attack, and gets a Jedi to reluctantly train him/her. Not because they are special, but because they are determined. The door was wide open, and the money was there. :pfft:

money GIF
 
How do you know that?
Imagine because Tony Gilroy has industry status.

LH - well, she's worked before, obviously, but Disney was really going for attracting more audiences, which has been a miserable failure.

Did unite fandom tho.:monkey3

Think about this amazing quote below from Andor and then of the chant from the Acolyte. It's night and day. Hiring creative people pays dividends. I'm not a writer or a show runner, but they could have had the chant be an alien language, what was happening was implied anyway.....:huh

Effective chants tend to be somewhat musical, yes? With certain beats "I am One with the Force, the Force is with Me".
And lol they had John Williams around. It's not like the couldn't have asked "does this chant sound stupid?"😁
 
I dunno, I think the point that video is making would be better illustrated if the character of Padme had been well-written herself. I'd be amazed if Portman actually believed anything she was saying there.
I think she does, but even if she doesn't it's still a testament to either her own speaking ability or minimally the existence of at least a foundation of well-rounded character traits in the person she's playing.

Carrie often had no idea what her character was even talking about and joked about the clunky dialogue but she still found ways to describe Leia in a way that was endearing:

 
I mean thats the thing right? Whether or not a person believes in it, when has witchcraft ever been considered as something other than occult worshiping?
I recall a musician once saying how she "sacrificed" chickens in a closet for her witchcraft.
And look at the Nightsisters. They were Dark Side users through and through. Maybe not as murderous as the Sith, but still pretty violent and psychotic.
They didn't just "break off" from the group and decide to become "Thread wielders of Love" or whatever these witches are supposed to be. Thats kind of a hard sell. lol

I feel like at this point Kathleen is the being on that statue was modeled after with Disney exec's on either side of her doing her bidding. "Yes, my Master".
I'll admit though, I was kind of surprised to see Filoni's wife being one of them. Which means he probably is as well.
I don't recall George being into that however. I believe he's Buddhism or something like that.
Well, TECHNICALLY, you'd have to go way back in time, as some Christian concepts were overlaid onto Greek/Roman gods who became considered kind of free-wheeling. E.g. modern images of the Devil are believed to be derived from the Greek God Pan, etc.

E.g. festival/nature gods and their worship became considered suspect and anyway, it became frowned on to worship more than one god. If you really want to get complicated it's Dionysian (chaos) vs. Apollonian (order).

E.g. a lot of these folks just think being Goth is cool, u get to wear black and have dumb coffee cups, without ever having picked up a book. Dancing naked in the woods is a real good way to get poison ivy and ticks.
 
Oh ...and just one more thing about Andor. It's a STAR WARS story that thus far has not had any Jedi in it at all. Imagine making a Jaws movie without a shark or a Back to the Future film with no time travel, yet have it be good. Thats been Andor so far. Great storytelling and pace, character development, come to think of it, there were barely any aliens in it. You can have all the lightsabers, all the Skywalkers, aliens and space battles, but it'll mean nothing without a good story.
 
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