Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Gully Foyle]

Yeah, he's very powerful. What Kylo Ren did against Poe was master level force skills.

Yet after his patricide (which was supposed to advance his darkside powers, right?) he seems to get weaker.

He is beaten by an ex-sanitation worker and an AT-AT squatter chick.

And Phasma -- can you say shiny new toy to sell, boys and girls?
Her character seemed much more Space Balls than Star Wars.
An utter non-character.
Boba Fett-itis.

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[Wor-Gar]

I really didn't like Snoke. They should have done something more creative with that character. Phasma was the worst though, not only did she not do anything, she almost seemed nice. I had high hopes for her and she ended up in the garbage disposal...where she belongs I guess.

I was a bit disappointed by Snoke too, and really disappointed with Phasma. Terrible character -- well, terrible misdirection in marketing.

 

[moose]

What did you expect from JJ Abrams and Disney?

Something trailblazing and visionary?






I chalked it up to a what-the-hell plot contrivance to get the new cast into the Falcon.

Then there's another immediate plot contrivance that has them meeting the Falcon's former owners in orbit around JackU.


Just like Abrams's Nu-Trek, this film's frenetic pace helps divert attention to its ad-hoc plotting.
Its pace is so quick it rolls over the Mad-Libbed nature of its script. (Han transports exotic deadly aliens now?)

I notice the force-sensitivity of characters is still dictated by the demands of the plot.
Kylo detects the presence of Han at a distance initially, but then walks right past him out on the catwalk and Han has to literally yell his name to get him to turn around.
Leia seemingly feels Hans death an entire star system away . . . yet can't use that incredible sensitivity to pinpoint her own brother.

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I found myself checking out while watching the movie just because of how obvious and predictable the story was, I am shocked at how blatant it was , so what's the next one called the force strikes back [emoji1] .

They really need some writers on this franchise, I have never gotten in to the EU but I have read a little and I am sure between the books, comics and games they could have leveraged some of those stoy ideas.

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[GasparZizou]

Yet after his patricide (which was supposed to advance his darkside powers, right?) he seems to get weaker.

He is beaten by an ex-sanitation worker and an AT-AT squatter chick.

Again agree with the rest but I don't think killing Han was supposed to advance his powers, rather to cut his ties to the last chance of going back to the light side, if anything it would momentarily cloud his judgment while he process what he just did, hence he got shot.

And ex-sanitation worker still has storm-trooper training. If anything he should've missed

 

[ironwez20]

Yet after his patricide (which was supposed to advance his darkside powers, right?) he seems to get weaker.

He is beaten by an ex-sanitation worker and an AT-AT squatter chick.

And Phasma -- can you say shiny new toy to sell, boys and girls?
Her character seemed much more Space Balls than Star Wars.
An utter non-character.
Boba Fett-itis.

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Dude got shot by a very powerful blaster tho he wasnt on his best plus he was raging hard.

 

[DiFabio]

How do you even survive a shot from Chewbacca's bowcaster anyway? He shot fully armored troopers with that thing and they died instantly. Kylo Ren on the other hand ate a shot right to the gut, punches himself in the bleeding wound multiple times and doesn't even pass out.


It's cool how every character got a hit on him, well besides Solo. Chewbacca shot him in the gut with a Crossbow bolt, Finn hit his shoulder, and Rey got his knees, legs and face.

 

[GasparZizou]

There is where I would assume the force comes into play, if Darth Maul survived being cut in half for like 8 years, which is still canon, I don't have a problem with Kylo Ren tanking a blast from Chewie's bow.

 

[rushmore223]

I *must* get a replica of Luke's original blue saber now. It's just too important.

Just realized my Master Replicas ESB Luke lightsaber has technically been in 3 trilogies now (or will be), bet this will make the value skyrocket.

 

[DiFabio]

True. Anakin got all of his limbs lobbed off and was burned alive with third degree burns and still lived.

 

[GasparZizou]

There are 2 things that popped into my mind.

Is there a real possibility of Snoke being Plagueis?

And, is there a possibility of Darth Maul coming back? After all, he wasn't killed in the clone wars was he?

 

[ironwez20]

But then how come the jedi died so easily if it takes alot to kill them? Maybe its just top tier jedi and sith who can survive being shot and hit with a saber.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm guess that's what they meant by "awakening", she awakened to the force with the lightsaber, I'm guessing she's really powerful, but honestly, didn't seem like she did much to me, just won a fight against a dude who had leg and arm immobilized while being able to repel his force attacks at some level.


No argument there.


You make a good point, that makes it look very inconsistent, although I would suggest he was dealing with the trauma of parricide.

Also I would suggest Vader didn't do all that because he had more finesse, he didn't need to immobilize Han, just take his gun, where is he gonna run to?

Kylo seems like what the Anakin of the prequels would've been like as Vader instead of Vader himself

I thought he was suposed to get stronger once he killed his dad...apparently that's how the force works now

I see what you mean by Kylo acting more like Annie...he's a showoff, while Vader doesn't feel the need to show his powers, but still, he should have stopped the blasts from getting close, but he didn't, in fact...he should have stopped the first one and then disarm him, but Solo managed to get a few shots in. Also, the way Ren was getting information out of people's heads using his powers. Vader needed a giant robot with a needle to interrogate Leia.

Yet after his patricide (which was supposed to advance his darkside powers, right?) he seems to get weaker.

He is beaten by an ex-sanitation worker and an AT-AT squatter chick.


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When you put it like that, it really diminishes the character as a major villain.

I was a bit disappointed by Snoke too, and really disappointed with Phasma. Terrible character -- well, terrible misdirection in marketing.

True, the marketing had a lot to do with it. It created false expectations.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah it's only top tier Jedi and Sith who can tank blasters and stuff.

For instance, Darth Maul was said to be able to sustain several close range blasts.

 

[karamazov80]

I agree with Gaspar's point that, despite the many egregious sins of the prequels, there were moments were they truly felt like the original films. For me, that opening scene in Phantom Menace is spot on, tone-wise. And pacing sometimes contributes to that. I just rewatched Star Wars last night, and I was struck by how slowly things progressed, after being bombarded with Abrams' action spectacle the night before. But aesthetic similarities aside, the Force Awakens certainly maintains more of the spirit of the original films. And is actually good, as the original films were.

I also felt it was odd that Han's about 10 feet away from Kylo and he doesn't get sensed. But maybe that can be explained by the immaturity of Kylo's powers. They don't always work the way they're supposed to.

 

[GasparZizou]

I thought he was suposed to get stronger once he killed his dad...apparently that's how the force works now

I don't think so, I think it was a ploy of Snoke, and Kylo did it to show loyalty, if it was supposed to make him more powerful, it wouldn't be instantly, but via the self-hate generated for having killed his own father, Vader for instance was full of self-hatred.

Darth Maul was full of hatred towards everyone and everything except his master.

I see what you mean by Kylo acting more like Annie...he's a showoff, while Vader doesn't feel the need to show his powers, but still, he should have stopped the blasts from getting close, but he didn't, in fact...he should have stopped the first one and then disarm him, but Solo managed to get a few shots in. Also, the way Ren was getting information out of people's heads using his powers. Vader needed a giant robot with a needle to interrogate Leia.

C'mon, Vader knows which blasts are going to hit him and which ones won't, as far as Leia goes, I'm sure Leia had a much stronger will than Rey or Poe, either that or there are also other explanations, for instance, much like the Jedi, Sith can also specialize in the force, there are telepaths, telekinetik users, etc etc.

Vader was never shown to be much a telepath but more of a TK.

 

[DiFabio]

I see what you mean by Kylo acting more like Annie...he's a showoff, while Vader doesn't feel the need to show his powers, but still, he should have stopped the blasts from getting close, but he didn't, in fact...he should have stopped the first one and then disarm him, but Solo managed to get a few shots in. Also, the way Ren was getting information out of people's heads using his powers. Vader needed a giant robot with a needle to interrogate Leia.

I think this just comes down to being a movie made in 2015 in a post-Matrix era.

Seeing a villain force choke victims or deflect bolts with his hands are old hat to kiddies these days. But stopping laser bolts with your mind and suspending them mid air? Freezing people's bodies in mid walk? Extracting information out of someone's head by a couple of hand gestures? They'll eat it up.

As each movie progresses, the force abilities get crazier and crazier. It's like the Jedi Knight video games. In ANH, it's all pretty tame. We see mind tricks, force chokes and force shoulder taps. That's it. In Empire, we get force pulls, levitating rocks and inhuman super duper jumps. In Jedi, we have deflecting shots with a lightsaber, mind reading and force lightning. Menace introduces us to force speed, force run and levitations. By Clones and Sith, Obi-Wan and Anakin are pretty much overpowered to the max, to the point where they're trying to force push each other and it totally back fires on both ends. This progression has happened with the lightsaber too. Before it was just blue and red, nothing fancy. Then green was introduced. Then double bladed. Now the cross guard saber. Same with the Death Star. First one is the size of the moon, then the next one is a little bigger than you have one that is 4 times bigger than the original. Every movie ups the ante for the spectacle.

 

[RavenEye]

Hey so uh wasnt Lando a General in ROTJ... yeah... where's him.

 

[GasparZizou]

I think this just comes down to being a movie made in 2015 in a post-Matrix era.

Seeing a villain force choke victims or deflect bolts with his hands are old hat to kiddies these days. But stopping laser bolts with your mind and suspending them mid air? Freezing people's bodies in mid walk? Extracting information out of someone's head by a couple of hand gestures? They'll eat it up.

I don't know man, wasn't in ANH that we get so see Vader choke someone through a screen? that's pretty impressive imo, more impressive than freezing light, the dude is chocking someone else without regard of distance.

I think it's Vader being more in control, what happened when someone failed Vader? Vader killed him, and they'd get rid of the body, clean as ****.

What happens when someone fails Kylo? He throws a big ass sissy tantrum, rekts a room and stormtroopers roll their eyes at him

 

[rushmore223]

I don't know man, wasn't in ANH that we get so see Vader choke someone through a screen? that's pretty impressive imo, more impressive than freezing light, the dude is chocking someone else without regard of distance.

I think it's Vader being more in control, what happened when someone failed Vader? Vader killed him, and they'd get rid of the body, clean as ****.

What happens when someone fails Kylo? He throws a big ass sissy tantrum, rekts a room and stormtroopers roll their eyes at him

Empire, for coming out Of light speed to early before the Hoth attack. Think it was Admiral Ozzel.

 

[GasparZizou]

Empire, for coming out light speed to early before the Hoth attack

Thanks, was it in the same ship or a different one?