Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

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But you have heard some.

Of course they are personal dislikes...is there another kind when it comes to film? Film is subjective. What you call well played parts, I call..a waste of talent and in the case for Snoke, a lame design. As far as Snoke goes, I already knew what he looked like, but neither the design or the performance were memorable in the film.

Those are assumptions...of something that may or may not happen. I judge a film based on what it has given me, not what other future films might or might not offer.

I don't see how you can call Snoke waste of character because personal expectations didn't meet the films end result, same as Phasma. Phasma takes nothing away from the movie. Snoke takes nothing away from the movie. Snoke played the big bad mysterious villain perfectly fine. Phasma played the part fine. If this was a single film, then fine, Snoke was a waste, same as Phasma. But where this is a franchise, with multiple movies to go, knocking a film such as this for lack of screen time makes no sense.
 
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Pretty much.

Darth Maul is alive (last we saw him anyways) and his story after TCW show is depicted in the Son of Dathomir comic. Good comic, and it is part of the new canon.

I honestly don't think Snoke is Plageius. I don't think he's a Sith. JJ made it very clear that Kylo wasn't a Sith, so I'd go out on a limb and say that Snoke isn't either. Just because you can use the force and are bad, doesn't equate to Sith. Jedi and Sith are more akin to Religions. You can be a force user without being a Sith or Jedi. So we could very well see this new Force cult show up. It will all be revealed in time though!
Oh Son of Dathomir is canon? I didn't know that.

See, I don’t think the movie shows him as that injured. He’s in pain sure, but his force powers shouldn’t stop working. He at the very least had enough force juice left in him to take the light saber out of Finn’s hands.

The Rey battle only bothers me if she learned everything at soon as her power awoken. Like I said before, these movies have all emphasized on training and becoming stronger, yet, this girl just touches a light saber and becomes the strongest Jedi to date, if thats not explained in episode 8, then I’ll have to put that under bad writing as well.
Actually, if the injury was very bad, which it would be considering it was Chewie's bow. He could concentrate his force skills to stay bodily able, this is reinforced by the fact that he had to struggle with Rey to force grab the saber after he beat Finn.

Also, she didn't really become the strongest jedi there is, she had a severely injured and weakened opponent and she was mostly running away from him.

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

-Kylo kills Han
-Which momentarily distracts him and leads to blast from Chewie
-Has to use force to stay functional
-Fights vs Stormtrooper
-Wins but Stormtrooper manages to inflict more injuries
-Injured from legs and one arm fights vs Rey, decent "street fighter" who turns out to be sensitive to the force.

I think this movie has bigger problems than this fight. I mean, another death star with yet again one single weak spot that triggers yet another instant kill of the main threat? They didn't even try to hide. I'm sure people have mocked this enough though :lol
 
I think this movie has a real good chance to pull in quite a few Oscar nominations.

Best Picture
Best Actress
Best Supporting Actor
Original Score
Visual Effects
Costume Design
Makeup and Hairstyling
Sound Mixing
Sound Editing
Production Design


I don't. Force Awakens is a fun holiday blockbuster with an adrenaline shot of nostalgia, that's about it.

Then again, the Oscars are nothing to take seriously, it's all politics, the wins and noms don't matter, so who knows. Maybe.
 
How was Creed? I just heard a reviewer on one of those screens at the gas pump saying that it was "the best Rocky since the original." Is the consensus really that it was that good?

It is pretty good. Like TFA, it is pretty much a remake of Rocky. And for once, Stallone did not write or direct so all he had to concentrate on was the acting. Which he nailed.
 
I think they will be compelled to give it a Best Picture nod based on its record crushing box office numbers

Compelled to give one of the most iconic characters in his final movie a nomination.

I honestly believe Daisy deserves a nomination. Not a single bad acted line. Even facial expressions were exceptionally well done.
 
It is pretty good. Like TFA, it is pretty much a remake of Rocky. And for once, Stallone did not write or direct so all he had to concentrate on was the acting. Which he nailed.

Who'd a thought back in the 80's that in 2015 we'd have Stallone playing Rocky, Arnold playing the Terminator, and Harrison playing Han Solo? Hell we could have had a Mel Gibson Max Rockatansky too. :lol
 
Han's death should not detract from the from the movie, Rey, Finn and Poe were great, and yeah, it made 0 sense that Leia hugged Rey instead of Chewie.

maybe leia KNOWS who she really is. :]
 
maybe leia KNOWS who she really is. :]
Still makes no sense, she barely knew Han, ****ing Chewie should've been devastated and inconsolable, nah, he just had a quick fit of rage and 2 secs of mourning and that's it.

What makes no sense is that she hugged Rey and didn't hug Chewie at all, the correct thing could've been to hug Chewie first, and then a little hug to Rey. What we saw made no logical sense.
 
I think Daisy could deserve a nomination.

Harrison? Nah, he was just daycaring the part longing the sweet release of death.

I must of missed this great acting Daisy portrayed.

Who'd a thought back in the 80's that in 2015 we'd have Stallone playing Rocky, Arnold playing the Terminator, and Harrison playing Han Solo? Hell we could have had a Mel Gibson Max Rockatansky too. :lol

Fauk Tom Hardy.
 
The Rey beating Kylo thing has been bothering me the most, with all the info we have, it just doesn't make sense to me. In fact the entire last battle doesn't make any sense to me, Kylo should have killed both of them in two seconds.




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that's the one thing bothering me about this movie as well. Within hours, she is able to get the ability to beat down someone who was trained by Skywalker, and all of a sudden knows how to use the force to move objects. I just didn't buy that for one second. The mind trick on the trooper was ok for me, but they should have built up her powers in the 2nd film. She had no business beating down Kylo so easily with a weapon she had never even carried before.
 
Actually, if the injury was very bad, which it would be considering it was Chewie's bow. He could concentrate his force skills to stay bodily able, this is reinforced by the fact that he had to struggle with Rey to force grab the saber after he beat Finn.

Also, she didn't really become the strongest jedi there is, she had a severely injured and weakened opponent and she was mostly running away from him.

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes.

-Kylo kills Han
-Which momentarily distracts him and leads to blast from Chewie
-Has to use force to stay functional
-Fights vs Stormtrooper
-Wins but Stormtrooper manages to inflict more injuries
-Injured from legs and one arm fights vs Rey, decent "street fighter" who turns out to be sensitive to the force.

I think this movie has bigger problems than this fight. I mean, another death star with yet again one single weak spot that triggers yet another instant kill of the main threat? They didn't even try to hide. I'm sure people have mocked this enough though :lol

See I haven't read the comics, or watched the shows or anything, I've only watched the main movies, so I didn't know Force users actually use their powers to sort of keep their body going when they're hurt. It's certainly something they didn't seem to imply at that scene.

We know he could have at least used his powers to take the lightsaber right out of Finn's hands instead of fighting him, so again, it just doesn't make much sense to me to strain his body even more by going toe to toe with Finn. That Stormtrooper with that big metal weapon did a better job fighting Finn than Kylo did.

The Rey thing is also felt forced to me because no matter how weak Kylo Ren was, she should have been taught most of the stuff she was using. A New Hope sort of emphasized on that. She seemed to know how to do everything just because she touches a lightsaber. It just seemed very inconsistent with the rest of the movies in the series to me.


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‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’: How J.J. Abrams Recaptured the Jedi Spirit

In a letter to staff this week, Walt Disney Company CEO Bob Iger declared the opening of “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” this weekend to be “one of the proudest and most exciting moments in our Company’s history.”

That kind of boast is a rarity at a time when media companies like Disney are so diversified, their tendrils reaching out into cable television and digital platforms, that films can do massive business or crash in spectacular fashion without making a dent in a stock price. But then again, “Star Wars” is no ordinary film franchise. It’s less a film than a giant corporate happening — a film intended to not just sell tickets and DVDs, but to spawn toylines, theme park rides and television shows.

“When you are launching a new platform franchise, the first film better be good,” said Eric Handler, a box office analyst with MKM Partners. “We’ve seen that blow up in companies’ faces before.”

The expectations for “The Force Awakens” and the pressure on director J.J. Abrams to reintroduce a pop culture mythology — one that pits the Forces of Light with those of the Dark Side — that made the first “Star Wars” an epoch-defining cinematic experience were perhaps greater than any other filmmaker has faced before. Not only did the film have to succeed, it had to become such a massive hit that it could justify the $4 billion Disney shelled out in 2012 to buy Lucasfilm and with it the rights to the ongoing saga of the Skywalker clan.

“This is the train that starts everything rolling,” said Paul Dergarabedian, senior media analyst with Rentrak. “If the film had been poorly received, the entire investment in Lucasfilm would have seemed like folly.”

Compounding the situation was the fact that creatively, the “Star Wars” franchise had hit its nadir. Creator George Lucas’ much ballyhooed prequels had made money when they were released in the late 1990s and early aughts, but their experiments with digital trickery, laden dialogue (“Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo”) and grating supporting characters like Jar Jar Binks had been poorly received by critics and many audience members. If the “Star Wars” brand had not been affixed to them, it’s doubtful they would have been successful. Fans of the original series breathed a collective sigh of relief when 2005’s “Revenge of the Sith” seemed to signal the end of Lucas’ account of the rise, fall and rise again of Anakin Skywalker.

But by going back to the roots of the science-fiction fantasy, Abrams and his co-screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan were able to recapture the spirit of the first films. In place of CGI and the overly pixilated worlds it conjures, they put the emphasis back on in-camera effects. The collaborators also tried to inject a sense of humor that had been missing from the dour prequels and a spirit of adventure that had been scrubbed clean by those pictures’ deep dive into trade wars and political machinations. Their greatest nod was in the plotting. “The Force Awakens,” with its tale of a Messiah-like figure, Rey, who is propelled from her bleak existence on a remote desert planet into an inter-galactic conflict, directly mirrors the 1977 original’s storyline of Luke.

For good measure, Abrams mixed in veteran cast members like Harrison Ford, donning Han Solo’s iconic blasters after a three-decade absence, with newcomers such as Daisy Ridley and John Boyega. Importantly, those actors introduced a welcome note of diversity into the proceedings — Ridley’s Rey is an ass-kicking female protagonist for the post-“Hunger Games” world, while Boyega, who is black, helps shake up a film universe that was largely monochromatic with the exception of Billy Dee Williams’ Lando Calrissian. And the movie, fulfilling the wet dreams of toymakers, also introduced a merchandising rival to R2-D2 in BB-8, a lovable droid soon to be cropping up in Christmas stockings across the galaxy.

The delicate mixture of old and new, that push and pull between scratching a nostalgic itch and finding a fresh take on a galaxy far, far away, paid off in stunning fashion. “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” shattered domestic records with a $238 million debut and grossed a gargantuan $517 million globally in its first weekend of release.

Critics loved the film, handing it a 95% “fresh” score on Rotten Tomatoes, and audiences agreed, with the picture picking up an A CinemaScore. Box office analysts believe that “The Force Awakens” has a chance of joining “Avatar” and “Titanic” among the only films to gross more than $2 billion around the world. It’s also expected to be a retailing juggernaut, generating upwards of $5 billion in merchandising, and setting the stage for an ambitious list of sequels, spinoffs and prequels intended to keep the “Star Wars” money machine humming for the rest of the decade and beyond.

“The stars totally aligned,” said Greg Foster, CEO of Imax Entertainment. “People have been rooting for this movie to be great since the first trailer. It’s just going to keep clobbering everything in its path.”

Disney executives, who know something about establishing inter-connected cinematic universes thanks to their stewardship of the Marvel Comics brand, credit a marketing campaign that kicked off over a year ago with a special 90-second film teaser that, with a few stray seconds of Millennium Falcon footage, captivated the social media conversation. The studio kept fans engaged, offering up shots of Ford as Solo and introducing BB-8 and Adam Driver’s villainous Kylo Ren in future trailers, while keeping details of the story closely guarded. Critics and media weren’t even allowed to see the film until four days before it opened, a rare show of restraint for a film with a $200 million-plus budget.

“This was ultimately a two-year campaign in which every beat, every pulse was considered as we built towards the crescendo that was opening weekend,” said Dave Hollis, Disney’s distribution chief. “We were able to make this a cultural event, while still preserving a sense of mystery.”

Ironically, the thing that ultimately may have enabled “Star Wars” to attract new generations of fans to its stories of Jedis and Sith lords, is that it was liberated from its creator. Lucas’ place in film history is secure. Along with Steven Spielberg, he helped usher in a new era of blockbuster entertainment, rubbing off the rough edges of the gritty films that defined the first half of the 1970s, and replacing them with soaring updates on the Saturday matinee, B-movie genre that could appeal to a globalized audience of filmgoers. These are the films that inspired Abrams, and directors such as Rian Johnson and Gareth Edwards, who will be guiding future “Star Wars” adventures, to take up their movie cameras. But in the prequels, Lucas lost that childlike sense of wonder, immersing himself in technological improvements at the expense of storytelling. Although Lucas mapped out stories for another trilogy as part of the sale of Lucasfilm, he has said the new corporate ownership and Abrams had opted to go in a different direction.

Now, with the Disney era of “Star Wars” films upon us, audiences are left with the rare movie series that has outgrown its author. A franchise that belongs more to the fans than the filmmaker behind it.

‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’: How J.J. Abrams Awakened Box Office | Variety
 
Just returned from 2nd viewing.

Yes, better.

Went down smoother.

My butt hurt on how Han was handled has diminished. See below for the reason.

So here is review 2.0:

Positives:

Rey/Finn/Poe/BB8/Kylo, all good to great.

First Order attack on Jack Off.

Falcon escape from Jakku (love/hate relationship with that name) is drop dead spectacular. Jakku just has to be Tattooine.

Chewie kicks some serious ass in this one, I enjoyed his fluid motions and mannerisms, in ROTS he was horrble.

Snoke's voice.

Lightsaber battle and the lighting!

No one said "I hate sand".

Luke's introduction made me tear up, this alone is what is helping me come out of my Han anger.


Negatives:

End dog fight attack against the base was just ok.

Pilot chatter in OT served a purpose and very memorable, here it didn't serve any purpose and they say nothing memorable. This I agree was missing some soul.

Why didn't Leia go visit the brother she's dying to find?! Why, why, why! Makes no freaking sense, especially after Han was killed by Luke's nephew!

Snoke's face.

New music. :(

Rey not shown swimming naked in a lake.

Yeah, i'll buy the bluray.


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I don't see how you can call Snoke waste of character because personal expectations didn't meet the films end result, same as Phasma. Phasma takes nothing away from the movie. Snoke takes nothing away from the movie. Snoke played the big bad mysterious villain perfectly fine. Phasma played the part fine. If this was a single film, then fine, Snoke was a waste, same as Phasma. But where this is a franchise, with multiple movies to go, knocking a film such as this for lack of screen time makes no sense.

It has nothing to do with expectations when it comes to Snoke. I had no expectations...I even knew what he looked like before watching the film. There's just nothing memorable or interesting about the Emperor 2.0. If its on screen, it either adds or it takes away from the film. You could replace Snoke with any other generic cgi thing played by another actor and the result might be the same.

Phasma is a waste of a good design. That's all. That character could have been played by anyone, but they chose a pretty good actress with a very unique look, given how big she is, which is rare for a woman, yet her character does nothing, and she could have easily been replaced by a generic storm trooper. Episode 8 won't change her weak introduction.

You are also assuming the next films will do certain things with these characters. I won't waste my time speculating on something that may not happen, and if it does, there are no guarantees that it'll be good anyway, but I won't wait 5 year to talk about the "full story", when I can judge each film for what it is. The film still follows a very predictable structure, it has a beginning, a middle, and anticlimactic ending. I don't need to watch episode 8 to critique this film or the way the characters were used in the script.
 
Still makes no sense, she barely knew Han, ****ing Chewie should've been devastated and inconsolable, nah, he just had a quick fit of rage and 2 secs of mourning and that's it.

What makes no sense is that she hugged Rey and didn't hug Chewie at all, the correct thing could've been to hug Chewie first, and then a little hug to Rey. What we saw made no logical sense.

Yeah, I felt bad for Chewbacca, Han was his bro. Rey knew Han, for what, two hours, three hours tops? **** her. :lol

Chewbacca had that whole life debt/friendship with Han since the beginning. Poor guy.
 
that's the one thing bothering me about this movie as well. Within hours, she is able to get the ability to beat down someone who was trained by Skywalker, and all of a sudden knows how to use the force to move objects. I just didn't buy that for one second. The mind trick on the trooper was ok for me, but they should have built up her powers in the 2nd film. She had no business beating down Kylo so easily with a weapon she had never even carried before.

With powers she's learned on the fly :lol

Unless it's explained in episode 8, I don't think I can ever like this movie, the ending was the cherry on top of a bunch of conveniences and forced situations to move the plot forward. I'm really trying to like the movie, it has a lot to like, but I can't give this more than a 6/10 at this moment.


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It has nothing to do with expectations when it comes to Snoke. I had no expectations...I even knew what he looked like before watching the film. There's just nothing memorable or interesting about the Emperor 2.0. If its on screen, it either adds or it takes away from the film. You could replace Snoke with any other generic cgi thing played by another actor and the result might be the same.

Phasma is a waste of a good design. That's all. That character could have been played by anyone, but they chose a pretty good actress with a very unique look, given how big she is, which is rare for a woman, yet her character does nothing, and she could have easily been replaced by a generic storm trooper. Episode 8 won't change her weak introduction.

You are also assuming the next films will do certain things with these characters. I won't waste my time speculating on something that may not happen, and if it does, there are no guarantees that it'll be good anyway, but I won't wait 5 year to talk about the "full story", when I can judge each film for what it is. The film still follows a very predictable structure, it has a beginning, a middle, and anticlimactic ending. I don't need to watch episode 8 to critique this film or the way the characters were used in this film.

Did you lower your score on TFA for Phasma and Snoke?
 
I think this movie has a real good chance to pull in quite a few Oscar nominations.

Best Picture
Best Actress
Best Supporting Actor
Original Score
Visual Effects
Costume Design
Makeup and Hairstyling
Sound Mixing
Sound Editing
Production Design

Really? Do they have an award for Best Original Screenplay? I assure you it won't win THAT. LOL
 
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