Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[rushmore223]

Thanks, was it in the same ship or a different one?

Think it was different ship, but not 100% sure on that.

 

[karamazov80]

Well I liked the fact that Kylo didn't kill the guy there. Because that was another minor way of defying expectations.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, and it was cool so see him drag the guy on his feet.

I think he didn't kill him because they were short on personnel

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, that was Empire that introduces the idea that he could choke his officers to death from a completely different ship. I'm just saying, each movie pushes the forces power abilities.

With ANH, things are pretty "grounded". Vader and Ben aren't crazy powerful force ninjas, you know, they have a few tricks up their sleeves that were exciting for 1977 audiences but humble in comparison to today's standards. Vader used the interrogation droid to get info out of Leia because, well, the mind reading stuff hadn't been invented yet. Hell, that's not even his daughter that Vader is interrogating, it's just that plucky, fiesty Princess that won't give him and his boss the plans. It was a simpler time before he was "all powerful" or the "chosen one". He was just a cool looking lackey agent guy, not a tortured, conflicted all great and powerful dad.

It all escalates, like I said, they up the ante. It's happened with the Force powers, it happened with the weapons and ships and even happens with the characters. Look at the first one. Nobody is related. Then in the second one, Vader and Luke are father and son. Then in the third one, Leia is Luke's sister. Then in TPM, Anakin built C-3PO. As things increase, anything from the force powers to the size of the Death Stars, to the amount of character relations, the world gets more complicated and smaller.

 

[WWEJedi]

Yeah, i'll buy the bluray.

Or objective criticism.

I haven't heard any "objective criticism" from most. All I heard was personal dislikes and expectations not being met. Phasma and Snoke are examples of this. Well played parts that serve a purpose. More about them will be revealed.

I was a bit disappointed by Snoke too, and really disappointed with Phasma. Terrible character -- well, terrible misdirection in marketing.

Shown once in the trailers walking. Fans get expectations up, doesn't live up to them, they hate it. They have no one but themselves to blame.

There are 2 things that popped into my mind.

Is there a real possibility of Snoke being Plagueis?

And, is there a possibility of Darth Maul coming back? After all, he wasn't killed in the clone wars was he?

I think Snoke is Plagueis. Especially the way everything is being tied together, Snoke has to be him.

Darth Maul would be cool. He is alive, who knows. I wouldn't be mad as long as he is Cyber Leg Maul.

 

[Khev]

Harrison Ford is the man.

Spoiler

He could have returned to the role that made him famous and milked it for three more movies and then died at the end of Episode IX. Have his face on movie posters for 4-5 more years, pocketed multi-million dollar paychecks, been front and center of a whole new trilogy. But you just know that all he wanted to do was give his character the send-off he wanted back in 1983 and then check out and let the story continue without him.

That's badass IMO.

On another note can you imagine if he had actually died in that plane crash however many months ago? With the way TFA ended the "Ledger effect" would have had this movie grossing a billion dollars domestic!

 

[DiFabio]

And he would have finally gotten an Academy Award, but for Han Solo!

 

[Khev]

Has any other actor:

Spoiler

Returned to a decades old role and then had the balls to play out that character's death? I guess just Shatner right?

Stallone hasn't, neither has Schwarzenegger or Willis.

 

[GasparZizou]

I think Snoke is Plagueis. Especially the way everything is being tied together, Snoke has to be him.

Darth Maul would be cool. He is alive, who knows. I wouldn't be mad as long as he is Cyber Leg Maul.

I hope so, I haven't seen CW but I remember Sheev telling Maul he had plans for him or something.

I did absolutely love the aerial battles, that scene of Poe destroying one Tie fighter after another was pure badass and it was a beautiful shot.

 

[EVILFACE]

Has any other actor:

Spoiler

Returned to a decades old role and then had the balls to play out that character's death? I guess just Shatner right?

Stallone hasn't, neither has Schwarzenegger or Willis.

If there are any more CREED movies, I believe one of them will have Rocky's death.

 

[DiFabio]

Has any other actor:

Spoiler

Returned to a decades old role and then had the balls to play out that character's death? I guess just Shatner right?

Stallone hasn't, neither has Schwarzenegger or Willis.

I wouldn't say that means Ford has "balls".

It's a smart business decision for an aging actor more than anything else. He didn't really want to do it, but he got to come back one last time, on his own terms, with first billing AND the death of the character, something he wanted as far back as the 80s.

The guy that got the sweetest deal though was Mark Hamill. The ****ing guy got millions for showing up for a day where he literally got to go on vacation in Ireland to turn to the camera and pull down his hood. That's it. Didn't have to talk, didn't have to walk, nothing! Second billing, a paycheck and visit to Ireland for 20 seconds of footage.

 

[Khev]

How was Creed? I just heard a reviewer on one of those screens at the gas pump saying that it was "the best Rocky since the original." Is the consensus really that it was that good?

 

[DiFabio]

Creed was better than I expected it to be. I was really impressed with Stallone.

 

[pturtle]

Which itself was aping The Wizard Of Oz's throne room scene.




At the very least one would think that Finn would quickly bite the dust.

How could he hope to successfully wield an ancient energy weapon that he's had no experience with?
Have you ever seen a neophyte attempt to manipulate just a pair of wooden nunchuks? Now imagine a plasma blade.
Seems like Finn would be just as likely to chop off his own arm/head as to defeat a Swizzle-stick Stormtrooper or Darth Schnozz.


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This is my issue, it really doesn’t matter how hurt Kylo was in my opinion, he should have still been able to use the force which I think takes less effort than having a light saber dual with someone. That just puts more stress on the wound in my opinion.

My problem isn't that she won the fight, but that she can do all that force stuff within hours of hearing about "da foooorce".


I got a kick out of Han's reaction to Finn's supposed naivety. "That's not how the Force WORKS!" Well really? How does it work? All 7 movies are all over the place with the Force. It just seems like a script crutch at this point. I've come to the conclusion that I don't really like the Jedi or the Sith or force users because now they're like super heroes with special blood or something.



And yeah, Snoke does nothing for me, visually or character wise. I thought the little orange sage woman was stupid too. Like something out of a video game. Say what you will about the Prequels, but they actually had really great character and creature designs, CGI and practical. In fact, I'd even say the same thing about the prequels environments, planets and vehicles. Everything in the Force Awakens were just carry overs of the OT that were revised (and made to look worse, imo). I think the TIE pilots were the only exception. They looks awesome. Movie and acting was far better than the prequels though, obviously.

Her learning that quick just doesn’t work for me. If it turns out she had some previous training then I’m cool with her winning, but out powering Kylo just seems like bad writing as of right now.

Yeah, he's very powerful. He was shot with a blaster from behind, so he had to be fast enough to turn to stop the blast in mid air before it even got close to him and he also immobilized Poe as well as the blast itself, all within a second or less. Even Vader never did something like that. When Han Solo shot Vader, he was facing Solo waiting for him and he had plenty of time to react , and not only did Solo's shot made contact with Vader's hands, he didn't even immobilize Solo, just took the gun from him. What Kylo Ren did against Poe was master level force skills.

Yup, whether he was hurt or not, he should have been able to force choke Finn and kill him in two seconds.

Yeah, much like Star Killer being Death Star x4, Snoke is Sheev x4, it's just bigger, without any real originality or good design for that matter.

They totally gave the shaft to Phasma, she was a total non-character and a wuss.


It doesn't bother me, Kylo was badly injured to begin with, Finn had training and injured him even more before being rightfully BTFO and Rey was a decent street fighter, who was sensitive to the force (which can help predicting the opponents' moves), plus, she had been in his head before.

I think it was a solid fight and I wouldn't say Kylo jobbed.

See, I don’t think the movie shows him as that injured. He’s in pain sure, but his force powers shouldn’t stop working. He at the very least had enough juice left in him to take the light saber out of Finn’s hands.

The Rey battle only bothers me if she learned everything at soon as her power awoken. Like I said before, these movies have all emphasized on training and becoming stronger, yet, this girl just touches a light saber and becomes the strongest Jedi to date, if thats not explained in episode 8, then I’ll have to put that under bad writing as well.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I haven't heard any "objective criticism" from most.

But you have heard some.

All I heard was personal dislikes and expectations not being met. Phasma and Snoke are examples of this. Well played parts that serve a purpose.

Of course they are personal dislikes...are there another kind when it comes to film? Film is subjective. What you call well played parts, I call a waste of talent and in the case for Snoke, a lame design. As far as Snoke goes, I already knew what he looked like, but neither the design or the performance were memorable in the film.

More about them will be revealed.

Those are assumptions...of something that may or may not happen. I judge a film based on what it has given me, not what other future films might or might not offer.

 

[Khev]

Creed was better than I expected it to be. I was really impressed with Stallone.

I just wrote it off because of that idiot from Suck4stic but I've always liked Stallone and if he shined in that movie I'll have to give it a watch.

 

[WWEJedi]

I think this movie has a real good chance to pull in quite a few Oscar nominations.

Best Picture
Best Actress
Best Supporting Actor
Original Score
Visual Effects
Costume Design
Makeup and Hairstyling
Sound Mixing
Sound Editing
Production Design

 

[geekjosh]

Darth Maul would be cool. He is alive, who knows. I wouldn't be mad as long as he is Cyber Leg Maul.

I hope so, I haven't seen CW but I remember Sheev telling Maul he had plans for him or something.

Darth Maul is alive (last we saw him anyways) and his story after TCW show is depicted in the Son of Dathomir comic. Good comic, and it is part of the new canon.

I honestly don't think Snoke is Plageius. I don't think he's a Sith. JJ made it very clear that Kylo wasn't a Sith, so I'd go out on a limb and say that Snoke isn't either. Just because you can use the force and are bad, doesn't equate to Sith. Jedi and Sith are more akin to Religions. You can be a force user without being a Sith or Jedi. So we could very well see this new Force cult show up. It will all be revealed in time though!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I think this movie has a real good chance to pull in quite a few Oscar nominations.

Best Picture
Best Actress
Best Supporting Actor
Original Score

 

[Khev]

I think this movie has a real good chance to pull in quite a few Oscar nominations.

Best Picture
Best Actress
Best Supporting Actor
Original Score
Visual Effects
Costume Design
Makeup and Hairstyling
Sound Mixing
Sound Editing
Production Design

Well it is certainly far more deserving of all those nominations than Avatar was but I think the best we can hope for is one or two nods in the technical categories. And I'm fine with that. Abrams has redeemed Star Wars and shown the world that it can be good beyond the OT. That's enough IMO.