Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[pturtle]

Yeah I think ep. 8 will be better, but honestly, I'm more excited about Rogue One and even BvS after seeing this, BvS may end up being a disaster, but it sure as hell won't be formulaic.

I'm only excited for Rogue One because Ben Mendelssohn, I heard he was cast as the villain and he's one of my favorite actors working today. I'm not too fond of the director though.

After the last BvS trailer I'm not expecting great things for that movie, but that goes for Civil War and Apocalypse. Everything just looks the same to me these days


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[Asta]

That was one of my favorite parts. That and seeing the remote droid ball thing that Luke was practicing with in ANH.

Yeah, it really hits home.

In spite of the comical troopers, this film is already feeling more 'traditional' than the PT.

From Sydow's, "This will begin to make things right."

To Han's, "Chewie, we're home."

JJ is reclaiming the classic feel.

Star Wars has it. The Empire Strikes Back has it. Return of the Jedi has it. The Force Awakens has that power, too.

 

[DiFabio]

have you seen a wookie grieve??
give a hug and they'll rip your arms apart.

 

[GasparZizou]

Really? BvS looks pretty basic and simple....so much in fact, the tittle of the film gives away the formula

It's not really a formula yet though is it? In fact, that movie is the 1st one to be using that "formula".

I'm only excited for Rogue One because Ben Mendelssohn, I heard he was cast as the villain and he's one of my favorite actors working today. I'm not too fond of the director though.

After the last BvS trailer I'm not expecting great things for that movie, but that goes for Civil War and Apocalypse. Everything just looks the same to me these days

Even Apocalypse? Wow man, are you depressed or something?

 

[GasparZizou]

Btw DiFabio, did you walk out when Han said "I have a bad feeling about this" like you promised?

 

[pturtle]

It's not really a formula yet though is it? In fact, that movie is the 1st one to be using that "formula".


Even Apocalypse? Wow man, are you depressed or something?

The trailer was pretty underwhelming, I think the movie is going to be good, but I don't know if it'll be close to being X2 good. Like I said before, the only two superhero movies that look interesting to me are Deadpool and Suicide Squad, everything else just looks like the usual.




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[DiFabio]

When you think about it, we've seen it all really. That's how I felt during most of the Force Awakens. "Seen it. Seen it. Seen it."

The superhero/comic stuff is the same way.

Think about how much money these studios are making renaming and repackaging the same crap. I got into the wrong business.

Btw DiFabio, did you walk out when Han said "I have a bad feeling about this" like you promised?

No, I actually knew he was going to say it there too actually. I was like, I bet Han says it and does it for this situation.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's not really a formula yet though is it? In fact, that movie is the 1st one to be using that "formula".

You mean the two guys don't like each other but they team up to fight a common enemy formula? I think I saw that film, several times

 

[GasparZizou]

You mean the two guys don't like each other but they team up to fight a common enemy formula? I think I saw that film, several times

Yes, but in tight clothes :

Now say you've seen that before....

 

[Cixx]

Not a big fan of Jeremy but his review is on point.

 

[Victοr]

Yes, but in tight clothes :

Now say you've seen that before....

Eh, at this point you can make the argument that everything is formularic these days. Comics, movies, games, anything and everything.

For example, Super-Hero stuff, no matter how "different" each title seems, basically boil down to bad guy vs good guy, with a few shifts in the status quo for a few months. That's it. The X-Men are still hated, feared, dying and fighting the same villains. Spider-Man still is a messed-up man-baby with "de rsponzibilitiez". I'm not saying they're not good, but even Batman for example, which has been excellent, always comes down to good guy vs bad-guy, with you seeing the ending miles and miles ahead.

Even indie stuff is practically the same. Every writer tries to out-do the previous one with even more profannity, cursing and hawt sex. Seriously, almost all "acclaimed" indie titles are pretty much the same. A mundane, everyday-esque story, with a few "weird" things thrown in, but most importantly, filled with sex and violence. Southern Bastards? A town full of violence and sex. SAGA? A universe full of violence and sex. ***** Planet? A prison full of violence and sex. Wytches? A creepy forrest/town with even more violence and sex ("I want you to stick this knife in your ***** and get off on it"-Seriously Snyder, seriously?)

Sure, there are some differences in the story, pacing, characters, but pretty much everything follows a safe formula nowadays. Whether it is a movie or a comic book. Not everything is a carbon copy of something else, but you'd be hard pressed to find something completely original with its own "voice".

Therefore, I've stopped caring that much about originallity, and have started paying more attention to the delivery. Is Justice League a pretty straight-forward comic about good vs evil? Sure, but the execution is enjoyable enough. Is the new Darth Vader ongoing basically the same old "Vader be messing with **** that don't concern him" trope? Sure, but it's presented in such a way that makes it interesting.

I've not seen TFA yet because Greece is the only country in the whole damn world besides China to release this on the 24th. Why? Cause a "pretty boy" here, made a sex/drama/refugee story film with JK Simmons in it, and the *******s want to promote it. But, as it's evident, I was spoiled a few hours lafter the premiere. I mean, it was inevitable, but eh. Therefore, I can't yet comment on the film, but I'm not going to go there expecting a grand story. I'm going to walk into the cinema expecting a fun, thrilling sci-fi story set in a universe I love.

Same with BvS, Civil War, Apocalypse, etc, etc. These movies are all about good vs evil. That's it. In the end the good guys will win, everything will be happy and peace will reign... Or at least until the sequel//threequel/Part 2/Reboot/Remake comes along. I've stopped looking for original stuff, and have started looking for "well executed" ones (if that makes any sense)...

 

[pturtle]

I definitely don't think indie movies are all the same, summer blockbusters definitely are though. At the end of the day most of it does boil down to good vs evil, but these days it seems most, if not all superhero movies lack depth.

I still think Deadpool and Suicide Squad could be a breath of fresh air for comic book movie genre.


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[cmiller99]

How on earth do you remember your username?

 

[Victοr]

I definitely don't think indie movies are all the same, summer blockbusters definitely are though. At the end of the day most of it does boil down to good vs evil, but these days it seems most, if not all superhero movies lack depth.

I still think Deadpool and Suicide Squad could be a breath of fresh air for comic book movie genre.


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I was talking about Comic Indies, like the various Image titles. Black Science? Essentially Prometheus. East of West? Essentially Sci-Fi Game of Thrones set in America. Wytches? Just an ol-fashioned witch story set in the modern world. Now, I'm not saying they're bad books. They're good to great. But their selling point is not their originallity, rather their execution. Hickman handles "the battle for the crown" differently than GRR Martin. Remender handles his scientists and environments different than Cameron. It's all a matter of the book's "voice".

Now, as far as movie indies go, then yeah, there's a bit more variety. "It Follows" was pretty original. Sexually transmitted demons was not something I had come accross in the past. "The Lobster" is also really original. The basic story is about a society where everyone must find a mate. If they can't, all the singles are send in a hotel, and are given a certain amount of time to find one. If they still can't make it, they are transformed into an animal of their choice. The director is the same guy who directed "Dogtooth", which was also pretty bizzare...

As far as Comic Book movies go, I can't say that I'm not "excited" to see all of them. I'm just not ecstatic for any of them. I'm curious about BvS, but I'm not head over heels for it. I'm intrigued to see the new Spider-Man, but I'm not counting the days. They're all pretty formularic at this point, the only difference being the characters themselves and the main cause of conflict. The villains are, more often than not, the same as well.

But yeah, a villain-led movie like Suicide Squad is a breath of fresh air. Same goes for Deadpool, which follows a deranged lunatic killing folks and making jokes. It's not exactly your typical movie. I'm also really excited for Doctor Strange. We've never had a super-hero x sorcery movie before, so I think that'll be a breath of fresh air as well. Stephen is less like Spider-Man or Superman, and more like a mix between Batman and Gandalf. That's bound to be interesting.

TBH, I'm more excited about the Star Wars anthology movies and later Episodes, than I'm for "Batman #235" or "Spider-Man: The ReReboot". I've read the stories in the comics, and I know how the movies will probably unfold. But Star Wars? It's a whole new Univese. Yes, it might be cliche in some aspects, but I literally don't know what to expect as far as story-progression goes.

 

[Shadow Master]

I'm sure rankings have been posted to death for the films, but mine goes:


ROTJ
ESB
ANH
TFA
ROTS
AOTC
ANH


TFA was awesome but I still like the original trilogy the best. TFA came damn close to matching it at times.

 

[jye4ever]

Why does the sun energy destroy other planets but when it's coming into contact with the first-order planet it's all good?

Can I please get a breakdown of who can and can't understand droids by this point.

 

[Rorywan]

This tread is full of people who hated the film and are pretending that they like it, and people who loved it and are pretending that they hate it.
It's become quite post modern.

 

[jye4ever]

This is my issue, it really doesn’t matter how hurt Kylo was in my opinion, he should have still been able to use the force which I think takes less effort than having a light saber dual with someone. That just puts more stress on the wound in my opinion.



Her learning that quick just doesn’t work for me. If it turns out she had some previous training then I’m cool with her winning, but out powering Kylo just seems like bad writing as of right now.



Yup, whether he was hurt or not, he should have been able to force choke Finn and kill him in two seconds.



See, I don’t think the movie shows him as that injured. He’s in pain sure, but his force powers shouldn’t stop working. He at the very least had enough juice left in him to take the light saber out of Finn’s hands.

The Rey battle only bothers me if she learned everything at soon as her power awoken. Like I said before, these movies have all emphasized on training and becoming stronger, yet, this girl just touches a light saber and becomes the strongest Jedi to date, if thats not explained in episode 8, then I’ll have to put that under bad writing as well.

Ultimately it could just boil down to Kylo's pride.

If you just step back a little and not focus too much on a technicality of who should've won the saber fight and take into consideration the human element you would see that pride can muck up things like strength and training.

 

[Matt S]

I hated the movie; seeing it for the third time later today

 

[jye4ever]

This tread is full of people who hated the film and are pretending that they like it, and people who loved it and are pretending that they hate it.
It's become quite post modern.

Yeah I would say pretty accurate but it sure is fun isn't it.

Sure, I enjoyed it more the second time for the reasons I already mentioned but at the end of the day it's still ANH minus some of the soul and tension, and yeah the millennium falcon is now the Hulk of ships.

That falcon escape off Jakku though is mind blowing in its execution, jaw dropping spectacular!

What more do you want from me!