Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Khev]

$40 million on Christmas Day.

'''Star Wars: The Force Awakens''' Smashes Christmas Box Office Record - NBC News

Final tally is now $49 million!

Star Wars: The Force Awakens box office sets Christmas Day record | EW.com

$890 million globally in 8 days.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Tell us more about how the Force works Clown Prince. You seem to be quite the authority after all. Yoda was pretty big on lack of belief being pretty much the only boundary of what the Force can do but you seem to have a better idea. Do tell.

There really seem to be two schools of thought on this site.

Those who look at the Force as something that makes "the ability to destroy a planet insignificant" and failure to use it for any given purpose being linked to lack of training or belief and those who want their Force statted out with D&D prequel-esque power levels and thoroughly spelled out capabilities.

Yeah, "the ability to destroy a planet insignificant" statement comes from a guy who fell for a bunch of empty promises and who was brainwashed by the Emperor. Plus, there are other ways to interpret that quote. Maybe destroying is easier than creating life....which is what The Emperror promised him. Any machine or weapon can take a life or destroy it, but the force is not about destroying.

Now, I'm not a force expert, and I doubt anyone is, but I go by what's been done in the films. I look at the most powerful characters who could use the force, and even they had some limits. Yoda, the most powerful of all, still had limits regardless of his preaching. If you can do anything with the Force...then where's the conflict in the story, it all becomes pointless if a character can just be as strong as they need to be, plus it can create inconsistencies when the plot needs something to happen in order to move the story.

Even some of their current abilities can create problems and inconsistencies....and you want them to be even stronger? Look at the final fight between Kylo and Finn. Now, I'm not talking about Finn's lack of skills or the fact that he put up a fight. Regardless of Kylo's fighting skills, he showed in the film how good he was at using the force, especially the telekinesis. Kylo should have been able to take the lightsaber away from Finn immediately, but he didn't, and it had nothing to do with his injury, because that would take less effort than spending the next 8 minutes or whatever it was fighting the guy and then Rey...by that time maybe he was weaker, but initially, he was alright and he had plenty of energy.

Look at the first fight between Vader and Luke.When Darth Vader gives Luke the news that he is his father, Luke is hanging just a few feet away from Vader. Then, Luke decides to jump off his landing, falling to the bottom of the cloud city where Han Solo picks him up. Darth Vader is very powerful with the force, as demonstrated earlier. Why can't he use the force to prevent Luke from falling, or to bring Luke back to him from the hanging? He could have....and he should have done it if we go by what's he capable because he's powerful enough to do it. Too much power creates inconsistencies.

 

[Khev]

Look at the first fight between Vader and Luke.When Darth Vader gives Luke the news that he is his father, Luke is hanging just a few feet away from Vader. Then, Luke decides to jump off his landing, falling to the bottom of the cloud city where Han Solo picks him up. Darth Vader is very powerful with the force, as demonstrated earlier. Why can't he use the force to prevent Luke from falling, or to bring Luke back to him from the hanging? He could have....and he should have done it if we go by what's he capable because he's powerful enough to do it.

Of course Vader could have levitated Luke. That was never, ever in question. I do think it is telling that you found that scene in ESB to be just as confusing as TFA.

 

[Rambler]

Final tally is now $49 million!

Star Wars: The Force Awakens box office sets Christmas Day record | EW.com

$890 million globally in 8 days.

Wow. just wow.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The Jedi powers are inconsistent and kind of pointless because the plot will always overrule what a character can or can't do in any given situation, even if it makes no sense.

 

[Darkseed]

Of course Vader could have levitated Luke. That was never, ever in question. I do think it is telling that you found that scene in ESB to be just as confusing as TFA.

Bingo....OT has just as many faults and I am in certain why folks hold TFA to different standards?

I mean Luke was never shown being trained combat techniques with a saber yet he held his own ultimately defeating Vader. If it's all about what was seen or explained on film how'd that happen

 

[Wor-Gar]

$890 million globally in 8 days.

1B in 10 days...

2B is within reach!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I mean Luke was never shown being trained combat techniques with a saber

 

[rushmore223]

I wrote almost exactly the same post yesterday in response to all the "overpowered" griping.

But then I said, eh, **** it...Everything seems to be "it doesn't make sense" or "it would be better if..." and I have yet to read anything in those posts doesn't make sense (if you paid attention/don't have an axe to grind for some weirdo reason) or would be an improvement on what they did.

Good for you, man. I'm rooting for ya.

Thanks,

This board fills up with posts so fast I didn't see yours, but glad to know I'm not alone. I think there are some that are determined to hate the movie, and therefore won't comment on any points that poke holes in their gripes.

 

[rushmore223]

I'd say Rey's experience with her fighting staff puts her far head of Luke (at that point) in her fencing ability.

 

[Khev]

I'd say Rey's experience with her fighting staff puts her far head of Luke (at that point) in her fencing ability.

Trust me rushmore, most of us didn't need you spelling that out. Not everyone obviously, but most of us...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'd say Rey's experience with her fighting staff puts her far head of Luke (at that point) in her fencing ability.

That's assuming we know how much fighting experience she has, but we don't. We don't know anything about her training so far. Luke in a ANH didn't fight Vader, it was about 3 years later and after he received more training from Yoda that he went up against the villain and lost the fight.

 

[Darkseed]

Gotcha....30 secs against a remote taught him the necessary fighting techniques to match then best one of the most powerful Jedi ever? Yet you cannot except some the things in TFA. If that works for you...

 

[Darkseed]

That's assuming we know how much fighting experience she has, but we don't. We don't know anything about her training so far. Luke in a ANH didn't fight Vader, it was about 3 years later and after he received more training from Yoda that he went up against the villain and lost the fight.

Luke training was a yoga session. Relax, meditate etc. I don't recall any formal saber training. Rey showcased the ability to fight

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Gotcha....30 secs against a remote taught him the necessary fighting techniques to match then best one of the most powerful Jedi ever? Yet you cannot except some the things in TFA. If that works for you...

No, 3 years later and training from the best Jedi ever, and he still lost

 

[Wor-Gar]

This is such a strange discussion...

Are the PT's at it again? Do they still not have a problem that Kenobi and Jinn can run super-speed but not when truly needed?

If Anakin can turn into Darth Vader in 30 seconds, then I believe Rey can be a powerful Jedi for no reason at all. Just believe in yourself.... isn't that the key theme in Star Wars anyway?

 

[Darkseed]

No, 3 years later and training from the best Jedi ever, and he still lost

Yup but with the amount of saber training and his opponent...contest should have been over pretty quickly ya think

 

[DiFabio]

So melodramatic. Don't be drinking DiFabio's kool-aid as some form of penance for liking Terminator Genisys. Genisys was entertaining and TFA has explained things just fine.

WTF? What did I do?

Why are people getting so snippy in here all of the sudden? I'm not sure who's worse, people like ClownPrince's sorta/kinda nitpicking needlessly for elements of the movie where you should just shut your brain off and accept things in the movie or people grovelling at the Force Awakens feet and defending any and every legit criticism, big or small. Hmm.

I know what stage we're in post-movie viewing on this board, but it's like people just don't learn from past experiences.

For me, the Episode 7 was decent, it was good. It hit a few spots I had been wanting to see in a Stat Wars movie. And now? It's over. I saw it, it was okay and I had a good time when I saw it both times in theaters. It wasn't the best Star Wars, it wasn't the worst Star Wars. It's just kinda there.


That's all I have to say about that.








Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

 

[YoNoSe]

WTF? What did I do?

Why are people getting so snippy in here all of the sudden? I'm not sure who's worse, people like ClownPrince's sorta/kinda nitpicking needlessly for elements of the movie where you should just shut your brain off and accept things in the movie or people grovelling at the Force Awakens feet and defending any and every legit criticism, big or small. Hmm.

I know what stage we're in post-movie viewing on this board, but it's like people just don't learn from past experiences.

For me, the Episode 7 was decent, it was good. It hit a few spots I had been wanting to see in a Stat Wars movie. And now? It's over. I saw it, it was okay and I had a good time when I saw it both times in theaters. It wasn't the best Star Wars, it wasn't the worst Star Wars. It's just kinda there.


That's all I have to say about that.


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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays

I haven't seen anybody get snippy about a legit criticism.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yup but with the amount of saber training and his opponent...contest should have been over pretty quickly ya think

Yeah, it should have ended in less than a second, but let's say that Vader didn't really want to kill or hurt Luke at that point in the story, and he held back(which makes Vader letting Luke fall to the bottom of cloud city completely illogical), I don't see how plotholes, inconsistencies, or any kind of problem in the old films makes it acceptable for the new film to repeat some of those mistakes. I'm not one of these guys who gives the OT a pass, and the same way I criticize something that doesn't make sense in the old films, I do the same with the current movies. I do that with all movies.

Just believe in yourself.... isn't that the key theme in Star Wars anyway?

I think that's the Matrix again.