Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[jye4ever]

But the sequence was exciting, so whatever.

 

[GasparZizou]

Is it true the design was inspired by a hamburger?

I've never heard that before but it only makes me like it more.

TF > XW > MF

I hate the way the Millenium Falcon looks. From a flying standpoint, it's not practical and doesn't make sense. How does Han, Chewie and Lando pilot and maneuver that thing when the cockpit is on the far right? Imagine trying to fly it through the small trenches of the second death star with all those blind spots. It would be impossible.

It's an iconic ship, no doubt, but as far as designs go, it's a piece of ****.

Spoiler

 

[Asta]

For awards consideration, Disney has released the screenplay for Star Wars: The Force Awakens to the Writers Guild, which provides new insight into the film's ending and other key plot points.


According to the script, the planet on which Rey (Daisy Ridley) meets Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) during the film's final moments is called "Ahch-to" and is said to feature a "pristine and mighty" ocean that is "dotted with random, beautiful, mountainous black rock islands," as well as "countless green trees." Not much is known about the planet, but /Film notes that Ahch-to is Hebrew for brother, which may be a clue as to Rey's relation to Luke.

The screenplay also makes it clear that Luke is well aware of who Rey is, saying Skywalker "doesn’t need to ask her who she is, or what she is doing here." It also describes Hamill's character has having "kindness in his eyes" despite the "tortured" feelings within.

The vision Rey has when first touching Luke's lightsaber is also detailed, confirming that Cloud City is shown in the opening flashes. Additionally, the script notes that the scene in which Luke is touching R2-D2 is indeed during the attack on his new Jedi Academy.

Additionally, the script confirms that Rey was left in the care of Unbar Plutt (Simon Pegg) when she was abandoned as a child on Jaku, saying: "Unkar Plutt’s meaty hand holds her thin arm" while the starship that brought her there flies off "towards the desert sun."

Adam Driver's Kylo Ren is also further detailed in the screenplay, which notes that Ren is "horrified" and "somehow weakened" when he kills his father Han Solo. Additionally the novelization confirms that Snoke informs Ren that Darth Vader's only weakness was the love he had for Luke, and that was the reason the dark side ultimately fe

The script also emphasizes the fear felt within Ren during his battle with Rey, noting Ridley's character nearly killed him before she realized she was standing "on a greater edge than even the cliff — the edge of the dark side." As such, it's clear Rey also feels the pull of the dark side. In fact, the novelization says she hears an "amorphous" voice telling her kill Ren, which, according to the audio book, appears to be Supreme Leader Snoke.

What do you make of these new plot details?

"Ahch-to"

"Bless you."


So this is from Star Wars: The Force Awakens Released Script and Novelization Offer New Details on the Ending and More - IGN

Brother? Is it April 1st already?

Not Luke's sister, unless she was the product of Anakin's sperm bank.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I've never heard that before but it only makes me like it more.

Yeah,I heard a long time ago that someone on the set..maybe the designer, took a bite out of a burger, and someone saw the circular shape of the burger on the plate with the little gap where the bite was taken and an olive on the side of the burger (the cockpit), and that was the genesis of the falcon. I don't know if that's true though.

 

[Leon 911]

I think - since it came there - it was in working condition. All she said was that it has not flown for whatever time. But by their standards of what that generation may have seen / that ship dint look like the best choice to them! However what can one do if while saving their life the only option of escape is a 1968 camaro. Now they can be a fan of the new 2015 Aston Martin but that ship was their only choice to escape and they took it and hell what the Camaro engine "turns" and rest is history. (Just drawing a parallel between a classic and a new age Aston Martin. Cause younger generation may curse a classic but for some others like me it may be the best choice)
Just like we amplify most of our comments - they amplified what they felt about the ship. But well it worked. So it is what it is

Bottom Line there are more unrealistic things happening in every day movies than this sci fi ...

Rey, who has never left her home planet since she was a child, can speak Wookie. And no one is surprised by that...not even Chewie But that whole sequence when they take the Falcon made no sense to me. Rey says that the Millennium Falcon is "garbage" and hasn't been flown in many years. It's such a piece of ****, in her opinion, that she won't even board it when she and Fin are about to get killed by the Tie Fighters. Then she gets on board and it basically flies perfectly. Which makes you wonder why no one has been flying it? Or why its owner (the Alien dude) hasn't tried to sell it at any point over the past dozen years despite the fact that he seems to live in a ****** place, and spends his time collecting crap from people.

The only time Rey wasn't perfect was when Han got killed. Of all the times to be Neo, she and Fin did nothing to save Han. Why do Rey and Finn just stand by watching as Ren murders Han? Made no sense to me. They didn't know Ren was Han's son, did they? I don't think they did, so that whole dramatic moment when Han is slowly walking on the catwalk and standing there with the bad guy must have made no sense to Rey and Finn. Why didn't they think to fire even a single blaster shot down at Ren until they see him kill Han? They were just standing there.

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[JAWS]

I know is the Star Wars thread but I just got done watching Avengers Age Of Ultron...... AOU SUCKS!!! I hate all of you who like it ... Worst Marvel movie ever after Iron Man 3..... Even that might be better......


Just to make this post appropriate.... TFA is good Star Wars not great..

 

[a-dev]

The only time Rey wasn't perfect was when Han got killed. Of all the times to be Neo, she and Fin did nothing to save Han. Why do Rey and Finn just stand by watching as Ren murders Han? Made no sense to me. They didn't know Ren was Han's son, did they? I don't think they did, so that whole dramatic moment when Han is slowly walking on the catwalk and standing there with the bad guy must have made no sense to Rey and Finn. Why didn't they think to fire even a single blaster shot down at Ren until they see him kill Han? They were just standing there.

Were they present when Han shouted ''Ben!'' at Kylo? I'm sure they assumed Han knew what he was doing and that he probably had something up his sleeve literally or figuratively which they weren't about to interfere with.

 

[a-dev]

I know is the Star Wars thread but I just got done watching Avengers Age Of Ultron...... AOU SUCKS!!! I hate all of you who like it ... Worst Marvel movie ever after Iron Man 3..... Even that might be better......

AOU is filmus underwhelmus. Didn't improve on second viewing.

 

[GasparZizou]

Rey, who has never left her home planet since she was a child, can speak Wookie. And no one is surprised by that...not even Chewie But that whole sequence when they take the Falcon made no sense to me. Rey says that the Millennium Falcon is "garbage" and hasn't been flown in many years. It's such a piece of ****, in her opinion, that she won't even board it when she and Fin are about to get killed by the Tie Fighters. Then she gets on board and it basically flies perfectly. Which makes you wonder why no one has been flying it? Or why its owner (the Alien dude) hasn't tried to sell it at any point over the past dozen years despite the fact that he seems to live in a ****** place, and spends his time collecting crap from people.

The only time Rey wasn't perfect was when Han got killed. Of all the times to be Neo, she and Fin did nothing to save Han. Why do Rey and Finn just stand by watching as Ren murders Han? Made no sense to me. They didn't know Ren was Han's son, did they? I don't think they did, so that whole dramatic moment when Han is slowly walking on the catwalk and standing there with the bad guy must have made no sense to Rey and Finn. Why didn't they think to fire even a single blaster shot down at Ren until they see him kill Han? They were just standing there.

Well, you're just a naysayer and a hater! Didn't you see this has 95% fresh in RT? Don't you know this has the big box office numbers? Yeah well what do you say to THAT!

TFA is good Star Wars not great..

QFT. Far from great.

AOU is filmus underwhelmus. Didn't improve on second viewing.

Yeah, it gets worse for me every time.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Were they present when Han shouted ''Ben!'' at Kylo? I'm sure they assumed Han knew what he was doing and that he probably had something up his sleeve literally or figuratively which they weren't about to interfere with.

Ren...Ben...close enough, but I don't remember if they saw him saying it. I need to see it again, but I'll wait until it comes out on dvd.

 

[DiFabio]

It's online, you can watch it any time you want.

 

[Leon 911]

Were they present when Han shouted ''Ben!'' at Kylo? I'm sure they assumed Han knew what he was doing and that he probably had something up his sleeve literally or figuratively which they weren't about to interfere with.

you are correct. i think everyone was in that moment where they were shocked but ready to shoot at Kylo... But since Han was approaching him and after he called out "Ben" - they - like you indicated assumed Han knew what he was doing. No one wanted or waited for what actually happened. Kylo had this whole discussion going on with Han and he suddenly does what he does. Even for an aspiring Dark Lord that sucked big time. But no plot errors there...also he gets his mask out long before he kills him and he dint look combative at all cause if he had to do something to han he could have done in the first few seconds and sent him tossing off the bridge. So that was a "BIG" indication for them that there is some connection between Han and Kylo...

 

[guyver1]

Ren...Ben...close enough, but I don't remember if they saw him saying it. I need to see it again, but I'll wait until it comes out on dvd.

No Han was alone when he got Ren's attention with " Ben ". He was already up on the bridge walking towards Ren when Finn and Rey saw them.

I wonder if Rey is going to go through turmoil with her force powers first before she masters them, meaning I see her connection to the Darkside coming out more easier. She already has visions of the past before she is even trained.

Also the way when she confronted Kylo trying to reverse his pull and saying " Get out of my head " there seemed to be an evil side to her.

I think Kylo sensed she had a darker side to her which is probably why he tried to manupulate her into thinking he should train her.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well, you're just a naysayer and a hater! Didn't you see this has 95% fresh in RT? Don't you know this has the big box office numbers? Yeah well what do you say to THAT!

I guess it all makes sense in the film? I can't argue with that 95%.

It Makes sense that in order to blow up the Death Star in the original Star Wars film, the rebels needed detailed plans for the base and a full-scale invasion force as well as the supernatural targeting skills of the third most powerful Force-user in the entire galaxy with help from Obi Wan, yet to destroy the much larger, more advanced and better-protected Killer Ball in the new film, all that was needed was a janitor with no special skills, a few run-of-the-mill handheld explosives, a few not very difficult X-wing blaster strikes.

But I do have a question about the new Death Star and the Resistance. Why did the First Order choose to destroy all the planets and moons visible from Maz Kanata's home-world, but then initiate a normal invasion on Maz's planet? Why not just fire one more planet-killing beam and destroy Kanata's planet too? Because not doing that leads to a significant military defeat for the new Empire that was totally avoidable. Also if the Republic is in power, why is the Resistance called the "Resistance"? They are the ones in power...they are the majority. In the original films, the rebels were called rebels because the Empire was in control, but now the ones against the system is the New Oder, so isn't the First Order really the "Resistance," as they're resisting the hegemony of the Republic? It's like the writers wanted to give "the Rebels" a new name, without realizing that the political situation in the Galaxy had totally changed since the events of the previous films.

 

[Leon 911]

they do not destroy it cause they know the droid and hence the map is on that planet. Once they have Rey they dont need the droid or the map cause Kylo knows she has it in her head and hence the next plan / phase 2 - destroy the planet.

I guess it all makes sense in the film? I can't argue with that 95%.

It Makes sense that in order to blow up the Death Star in the original Star Wars film, the rebels needed detailed plans for the base and a full-scale invasion force as well as the supernatural targeting skills of the third most powerful Force-user in the entire galaxy with help from Obi Wan, yet to destroy the much larger, more advanced and better-protected Killer Ball in the new film, all that was needed was a janitor with no special skills, a few run-of-the-mill handheld explosives, a few not very difficult X-wing blaster strikes.

But I do have a question. Why did the First Order choose to destroy all the planets and moons visible from Maz Kanata's home-world, but then initiate a normal on Maz's planet? Why not just fire one more planet-killing beam and destroy Kanata's planet too? Because not doing that leads to a significant military defeat for the new Empire that was totally avoidable. Also if the Republic is in power, why is the Resistance called the "Resistance"? They are the ones in power...they are the majority. In the original films, the rebels were called rebels because the Empire was in control, but now the ones against the system is the New Oder, so isn't the First Order really the "Resistance," as they're resisting the hegemony of the Republic? It's like the writers wanted to give "the Rebels" a new name, without realizing that the political situation in the Galaxy had totally changed since the events of the previous films.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

they do not destroy it cause they know the droid and hence the map is on that planet. Once they have Rey they dont need the droid or the map cause Kylo knows she has it in her head and hence the next plan / phase 2 - destroy the planet.

Wait...BB8 was in Maz's planet, right? So if that's the case, they already had Rey, so why didn't they attack Maz's planet and instead they blow up 5 other planets?

 

[Leon 911]

^^^ no they din have bb8 and they were blowing all planets - between charge cycles!
They knew where bb8 was. So that planet was visited in person. By then they had to wait for another charge cycle.

That way with your logic - everyone should blow everyone the instance they have a weapon. No movie will ever have a story. A real life parallel would be that all nuclear powered countries - why and what are they waiting for they should all blow each other up with that logic ...


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[Xenoburger_]

everyone should blow everyone

 

[Asta]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well... it's a happy ending