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Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)
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Id say it's the "smartest" score since ROTJ, certainly. However it is missing that crucial cue that frustrates me every time I listen to it. :banhgead
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Yeah, these days the most consternation you see over TFA on there is the lack of a 2-disc set with ALL of the music.
Did you *get* the "FYA" awards version of the soundtrack? Lots of nice stuff on there and I liked the way it pretty much bypasses all the OT themes in it's track list.
cmiller99
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It's interesting that the Academy voters decided to go with something seamless and subtle rather than showy and bombastic. Not such a bad thing, IMO.
I do think that visually TFA's greatest strengths were in its production design and cinematography (neither of which it was nominated for) as opposed to straight visual effects. Ava was indeed perfectly seamless and the only reason you even knew that half of her was a visual effect was just the common knowledge that robots like her simply don't exist. But there were no tell tale visual cues giving her away.
TFA on the other hand was beautiful to look at throughout and you really could feel the "tangible" reality present in so many of the scenes with all the animatronic critters, masks, and locations and sets. But the charm of those visuals was that they looked and felt like the OT, not that they looked and felt "real." And I could see that fact dividing Academy voters with regard to the Visual Effects category. The one exception of course was BB-8, he was a true marvel and I genuinely didn't know when he was real vs. CG other than when he was doing extreme physical maneuvers like rolling around the Falcon.
It would have been nice to see TFA win some of its categories but damn, what a freaking strong technical year it was for films. Ex Machina, Fury Road, The Revenant. Hard to be upset when it's losing to the likes of those. At the end of the day all that matters is that it was a great film that restored respectability to the franchise. Never thought I'd see such a thing occur in my lifetime, that's for sure.
TFA on the other hand was beautiful to look at throughout and you really could feel the "tangible" reality present in so many of the scenes with all the animatronic critters, masks, and locations and sets. But the charm of those visuals was that they looked and felt like the OT, not that they looked and felt "real." And I could see that fact dividing Academy voters with regard to the Visual Effects category. The one exception of course was BB-8, he was a true marvel and I genuinely didn't know when he was real vs. CG other than when he was doing extreme physical maneuvers like rolling around the Falcon.
It would have been nice to see TFA win some of its categories but damn, what a freaking strong technical year it was for films. Ex Machina, Fury Road, The Revenant. Hard to be upset when it's losing to the likes of those. At the end of the day all that matters is that it was a great film that restored respectability to the franchise. Never thought I'd see such a thing occur in my lifetime, that's for sure.
jye4ever
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Oh the movie was commercial enough, we all know that.
Truth be told, I'm glad the Force Awakens won what it won at the Oscars . . .
I think it's as simple as the fact that Star Wars was, first and foremost, a nostalgic cash-in. Extremely well made? Yes. But none of the other major award winners were that. Even though Mad Max was a sequel, it was arguably the greatest artistic success of the franchise (same cannot be said for Star Wars), and did not present itself as a hulking commercial enterprise the way that Star Wars did.
I suspect this bias affected the consideration of Star Wars, working to its detriment. Same goes for the Marvel movies.
I suspect this bias affected the consideration of Star Wars, working to its detriment. Same goes for the Marvel movies.
Or, as with LotR, the academy is waiting to see where the ST goes before handing out too many awards.
Prime Clone
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Yeah, they've shown how well they can remake his first blockbuster!
Prequels win for concept, TFA for execution.
jye4ever
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I never in a million years thought that any new droid could equal OT R2/3PO yet BB8 did.
For me he remains one of the standouts of TFA along with the:
Falcon escape.
Aggressive Stormtroopers.
Lightsaber battle as good as Maul's.
Fisher's performance.
Ridley's performance.
Luke's cameo.
Rey's journey and Ren's conflict i'm still not entirely confident enough to place on that list...yet.
For me he remains one of the standouts of TFA along with the:
Falcon escape.
Aggressive Stormtroopers.
Lightsaber battle as good as Maul's.
Fisher's performance.
Ridley's performance.
Luke's cameo.
Rey's journey and Ren's conflict i'm still not entirely confident enough to place on that list...yet.
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I'm still amazed that this is on the list (it's on mine too)..
"Fisher's performance."
jye4ever
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True dat, it is shocking considering I spent an eternity here making fun of her!
But sadly the soundtrack isn't on my list.
But sadly the soundtrack isn't on my list.
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Nah. If neither the PT nor TFA came out and someone gave me the concept for the entire PT vs. the events of TFA I know I'd would have much rather wanted to see how TFA played out over the story of Anakin being a kid, then 20 year old, then Jedi baby killer before becoming suited Darth Vader for two minutes. The PT didn't just "fail in the execution." I don't care if they picked the most brilliant child actor in the world and gave him the most awesome lines to recite. I'd still rather watch Han Solo leading the Resistance against a Solar System threatening planet. So TFA wins for concept as well. The fact that it was also so well executed was just icing on the cake.
True dat, it is shocking considering I spent an eternity here making fun of her!
But sadly the soundtrack isn't on my list.
Leia was totally respectable! I really liked her in TFA! Since you agree on that you get a pass on not liking the score.
Daisy Ridley just posted this on Facebook:
True. That and the notion of Star Wars movies that are almost entirely plot driven (instead of character-focused) was ultimately where the PT failed. It started in the concept stage itself.
Mad Old Lu
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I hope this doesn’t come across as defending the PT, but…
There was no reason the prequels couldn’t have changed focus and became more character driven. In fact, I see that shift as a way to keep the trilogies fresh and distinct from each other. Think of how fantastic changing the “haunted house” slow burn horror of Alien to the balls to the wall action of Aliens was. It helped make the sequel more than just a retread.
So it was a legitimate idea, but just horrible horrible execution. Which also brings up, what good is originality if nothing is done with it? Sure, there are all new worlds and creatures and vehicles and technology in the PT. But so what? Nothing compelling was done with all that creativity. It was all empty calories, basically.
For the record, I really enjoyed TFA and am looking forward to getting the Blu Ray!
There was no reason the prequels couldn’t have changed focus and became more character driven. In fact, I see that shift as a way to keep the trilogies fresh and distinct from each other. Think of how fantastic changing the “haunted house” slow burn horror of Alien to the balls to the wall action of Aliens was. It helped make the sequel more than just a retread.
So it was a legitimate idea, but just horrible horrible execution. Which also brings up, what good is originality if nothing is done with it? Sure, there are all new worlds and creatures and vehicles and technology in the PT. But so what? Nothing compelling was done with all that creativity. It was all empty calories, basically.
For the record, I really enjoyed TFA and am looking forward to getting the Blu Ray!
jye4ever
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Nah. If neither the PT nor TFA came out and someone gave me the concept for the entire PT vs. the events of TFA I know I'd would have much rather wanted to see how TFA played out over the story of Anakin being a kid, then 20 year old, then Jedi baby killer before becoming suited Darth Vader for two minutes. The PT didn't just "fail in the execution." I don't care if they picked the most brilliant child actor in the world and gave him the most awesome lines to recite. I'd still rather watch Han Solo leading the Resistance against a Solar System threatening planet. So TFA wins for concept as well. The fact that it was also so well executed was just icing on the cake.
Leia was totally respectable! I really liked her in TFA! Since you agree on that you get a pass on not liking the score.
But c'mon now, you can't make a decision like that just off a concept.
Unless you really hate anything prequel, which I totally do.
Daisy Ridley just posted this on Facebook:
Of course I can.
We do it all the time. Let's say we're talking about the ALIEN movies. What concept sounds cooler to you? Someone visiting the ALIEN homeworld? Or Ripley and Hicks somehow still alive 30 years after the events of ALIENS and trying to take down the Company once and for all? We have no idea what those finished films will be like, how well they'll be executed, but we can definitely say which concept we'd rather see play out.
