Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[IrishJedi]

The only time Ren is really "whiny" is during the Han scene. And I don't see the problem with that at all. He knows he's supposed to kill his father right there and he's clearly torn (which he openly admits). That doesn't make him a *****, it makes it a gazillion times more interesting and human than Anakin ever was. Or any other Star Wars villain, for that matter.

 

[Khev]

Good luck convincing the millennials. With them you're either a badass or "emo" and if you emote in any visible way it means you're the latter. Kylo absolutely was the young troubled prodigy that we should have seen in Anakin, but didn't. But who cares now, all is right in the galaxy again.

 

[jye4ever]

His whining to Rey how his scoundrel father would've disappointed her.

I bet Snoke will even tell him in the next movie before he kills him, you are no true Sith, you're just an angry kid.

 

[IrishJedi]

His whining to Rey how his scoundrel father would've disappointed her.

That's actually another pretty intense emotional scene. Again, no problem with it.

 

[Khev]

His whining to Rey how his scoundrel father would've disappointed her.

That wasn't whiny, it was pretty matter of fact actually. And given his literal homicidal rage against his own father his comment to Rey was actually pretty darn understated.

 

[a-dev]

We shouldn't have seen him without his mask until the Han death scene IMO. Unless they ever gave good reasoning for why they had him reveal his face to Rey earlier in the film?

 

[YoNoSe]

We shouldn't have seen him without his mask until the Han death scene IMO. Unless they ever gave good reasoning for why they had him reveal his face to Rey earlier in the film?

I thought it was pretty powerful the way she owned him in that scene. Which would have been a lot harder to sell with his helmet on.

 

[Khev]

We shouldn't have seen him without his mask until the Han death scene IMO. Unless they ever gave good reasoning for why they had him reveal his face to Rey earlier in the film?

I think the focus of the Han scene was properly centered on "how will Han's son react" as opposed to "what does he look like, ooh I hope we see..."

 

[IrishJedi]

I thought it was pretty powerful the way she owned him in that scene. Which would have been a lot harder to sell with his helmet on.

Agreed. That is an emotional scene between two humans. Couldn't have that affect at all with the mask on.

 

[Khev]

I thought they did a good job spacing out the Kylo "reveals" without dumping them out at once all together.

Kylo and Snoke: We learn he's Han's son
Kylo and Rey: We see what he looks like
Kylo and Han: We learn his real name

I liked that each reveal got to have its own little moment.

 

[jye4ever]

But was Kylo a bad ass?

 

[kryptonianmutie]

His hissy fit destroying that console reminded me of my two year old girl right now.

 

[Khev]

But was Kylo a bad ass?

He was actually. I liked his little quirk of walking past the people he was interrogating (Von Sydow and Rey in the forest.) He did things with the Force we'd never seen before (freeze blaster bolts and people, pull thoughts out of their head violently, put people to sleep) and him using his saber to knock Finn flat on his back (through a deflected attack!) was freaking awesome.

He also took a full on blast from Chewie's Cobra Assault Bowcaster and stayed on his feet.

Even when Rey humiliated him with the mind probe he kept his composure enough to seek wisdom from Snoke instead of retaliating against her.

 

[pixletwin]

His hissy fit destroying that console reminded me of my two year old girl right now.

Not me. Never even crossed my mind. It's one of my favorite scenes.

 

[TonTon]

The scene with Han I can still never tell if he's genuine. Driver really owns that scene, but it's hard to tell if it's Ren acting/stalling until the sunlight goes out as he knows the weapon is charging and Han and company are there to sabotage the base. Such a great scene.

 

[YoNoSe]

But was Kylo a bad ass?

He's better than being a "bad ass." He's a ****ed-up character who is extremely strong, dangerous, and emotional.

 

[YoNoSe]

The scene with Han I can still never tell if he's genuine. Driver really owns that scene, but it's hard to tell if it's Ren acting/stalling until the sunlight goes out as he knows the weapon is charging and Han and company are there to sabotage the base. Such a great scene.

 

[jye4ever]

I did like how the sun ran out and all went dark for maximum sadness.

 

[Khev]

I did like how the sun ran out and all went dark for maximum sadness.

The concept artist who initially painted that "key frame" liked to think of the darkening sun as symbolic of the pull back and forth between the light and the dark side of the Force in those final moments with the dark ultimately winning.

 

[IrishJedi]

He's better than being a "bad ass." He's a ****ed-up character who is extremely strong, dangerous, and emotional.

This is why his outbursts are more scary to me than child-like. This is an unstable dude on the brink of a breakdown.

I think his lightsaber as a reflection of Kylo Ren himself is one of the more clever aesthetics they put into the movie, actually. It looks dangerous, unstable and half put together.