Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

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I only go to see TIE fighters and X-Wings go pew pew and lightsabers go psssshhew nnnnnnnn nnnnnnnn kksssshhhh
 
Big problem for TFA was not introducing its own cadre of interesting characters. Too much reliance on the old guard. Now the only real curiosity is old Luke.

Like Sachiel said, Finn is pointless and uninteresting in the way they chose to develop him (and he's the only one with a good backstory). Rey might be interesting, who knows? To me, she's just the stand-in "Luke" character. Maz is such a repetitive Yoda that she's uninteresting. And Poe... well, underused to say the least, but he's no Han Solo, so I don't really care if he shows up either.

Other than Luke, there's really nothing pulling me into this new one.

They desperately need some new and interesting characters.

That is a pretty good conclusion. I've personally never really cared all that much for any of the Star Wars flicks. They are entertaining movies. To me they pale in comparison to movies like Die Hard, Aliens, Road Warrior, Evil Dead, Lost Boys ect. But what I like about them are the characters and mythology. The OT and PT gave me those. TFA not so much. RO not at all.
 
I agree with Wor-Gar there, as well. But I do think this was a very clear strategy, and it worked out very, very well for them. So, we'll see more of that moving forward. Now I do see the new Star Wars movies, and the Marvel Studios stuff, as well, as entertaining, but not worthy of a great deal of analysis or re-watching.

Comparing Lost Boys favorably to the original trilogy, though? Well, it did have this:

 
One challenge they have with the sequel trilogy due to just resurrecting the Empire and giving them all the same players (Sith-type hologram overlord, fallen Jedi field general, Death Star type weapon, Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters, etc.) is that we've already seen how such an enemy could be defeated in ROTJ. So there isn't any real sense of "oh my gosh what can the heroes possibly due against such overwhelming odds?? I *must* see the next chapter!!"

I'm sure audiences are more or less expecting Luke and Rey to have a showdown with Snoke and Kylo and that by defeating them the remaining armies will scatter just like we saw more than 30 years ago. Hopefully they'll find a way to introduce some nice twists and turns to throw some expectations askew.
 
I feel the same way. The most predictable outcome is a final showdown between Rey and Kylo/CG guy, and that Kylo gets redeemed Vader style somehow. But it would be so damn lazy.

I still hope deep down that they'll have the balls to give us a heel turn for Rey, and make Kylo help the rebellion ultimately, yet not be redeemed like Vader. At the end, Kylo stands over the dead corpse of the Sith Rey, then walks away to live in isolation, forever tormented by the terrible things he did. BB-9, Chewy and Lumpy, Lando, Jr., Wicket, and the others look on, not with appreciation and respect, but with flat affect, and a bit of disgust for how things all turned out.

But what I'm hoping for most of all is that Murray from Flight of the Conchords ends up being the boss of the Irish ginger officer guy we saw in Force Awakens.



If they give me that, they can make it as lazy and derivative as they want to.
 
I'm sure audiences are more or less expecting Luke and Rey to have a showdown with Snoke and Kylo and that by defeating them the remaining armies will scatter just like we saw more than 30 years ago. Hopefully they'll find a way to introduce some nice twists and turns to throw some expectations askew.

TO me that's meh. We've already seen Kylo get his *** handed to him, by a girl. And now that girl is off for some official training. Are we to expect a different outcome?
 
Speculation was that Kylo would get more intense training from the troll master guy, and you would expect him to be dominant in the next film, setting up his loss to Rey in Ep. 9.
 
I imagine a rematch might go differently if Kylo isn't bleeding out from a bowcaster wound and doesn't have the "bring her in alive" handicap (though admittedly Vader DID have that handicap in ESB and still kicked Luke's ***.) I have a feeling that they might not even face off again until Episode IX though.
 
Episode 8 is the middle episode. I don't expect much to go right for Luke and Rey in this one. Snoke and Kylo gain advantage in this episode. Don't expect Luke to survive this one. Or maybe he does but is a non issue in 9 like yoda was in 6.

Finding out who snoke is is a key for me.


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Mark Hamill said that
Carrie Fisher's death "will give Episode 8 a melancholy it doesn't deserve." So my guess is that Luke was always intended to survive the movie. If he was going to die then I don't think that Mark would be lamenting an air of melancholy being added to the picture.

I'm looking forward to learning Snoke's true size. Whether he's really a giant or is in fact a midget. If he's human sized that will be a big disappointment.
 
One challenge they have with the sequel trilogy due to just resurrecting the Empire and giving them all the same players (Sith-type hologram overlord, fallen Jedi field general, Death Star type weapon, Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters, etc.) is that we've already seen how such an enemy could be defeated in ROTJ. So there isn't any real sense of "oh my gosh what can the heroes possibly due against such overwhelming odds?? I *must* see the next chapter!!"

I'm sure audiences are more or less expecting Luke and Rey to have a showdown with Snoke and Kylo and that by defeating them the remaining armies will scatter just like we saw more than 30 years ago. Hopefully they'll find a way to introduce some nice twists and turns to throw some expectations askew.

Technically what you just described should immediately ruin 7/8/9....if you let it though.

While i'm still alive and breathing i'll be looking forward to the rinse repeat nature of it all.

Mark Hamill said that
Carrie Fisher's death "will give Episode 8 a melancholy it doesn't deserve." So my guess is that Luke was always intended to survive the movie. If he was going to die then I don't think that Mark would be lamenting an air of melancholy being added to the picture.

I'm looking forward to learning Snoke's true size. Whether he's really a giant or is in fact a midget. If he's human sized that will be a big disappointment.

I take him to be a normal sized person and not a Godzilla sized Sith. :lol
 
Yeah. Until Snoke was obviously a hologram I thought his size was ridiculous. Normal sized or smaller and I'll be ok.

Gargantuan or hobbit sized and I will roll my eyes.
 
Technically what you just described should immediately ruin 7/8/9....if you let it though.

While i'm still alive and breathing i'll be looking forward to the rinse repeat nature of it all.

Obviously it didn't stop me from enjoying TFA. :) In fact I pretty much consider it to be the ROTJ that Kasdan and Ford originally wanted but that was vetoed by Lucas. So it was cool to see that play out.

Another thing that this new trilogy has that was absent in both the OT and PT are the Knights of Ren. Glad they aren't repeating the "only two" rule because I'm really looking forward to having some "fodder Sith" that can cause trouble for Luke and Rey. Hopefully they all have unique looks and personalities and aren't just drones.
 
I'm looking forward to learning Snoke's true size. Whether he's really a giant or is in fact a midget. If he's human sized that will be a big disappointment.


I read he was originally intended to be there "in the flesh" and was a giant. It became logistically easier to show him as a hologram rather than have him walking around in a room with human-sized characters.
 
To date we have all thought that Palpatine was the top most guy of the Sith. What is he was not and he took orders just like everyone else? Enter Snoke maybe a tier above Palpatine!!
 
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