Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[K07]

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Anakin Solo
Ben Skywalker

It's so unreasonable to be named after grandparents or spiritual guides in our world. Oh wait... That's the potshot you're going to take at the EU? It seems you're hating just for the sake of hating. May I ask what exposure to the EU you've had? Or has it been reading summaries on Wookiepedia? When summarized wiper the specifics as lerath has done, does it sound so abysmal? The details might not sit well with you, but the overall scope of this timeframe all makes sense and is the most natural place to have taken these characters.

 

[pixletwin]

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It's so unreasonable to be named after grandparents or spiritual guides in our world. Oh wait... That's the potshot you're going to take at the EU? It seems you're hating just for the sake of hating. May I ask what exposure to the EU you've had? Or has it been reading summaries on Wookiepedia?

No. I am saying it's stupid and uninteresting and unoriginal. I read as much of the EU as I could stomach. I do like PT EU. But OT EU completely negates everything beautiful about the movies. It's my opinion. It doesn't devalue yours. So don't get ******** abourt it. Mmm kay?

 

[lerath666]

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I am afraid you may be very disaapointed then because I am pretty sure that Luke will likely not have any kids and thank god for that. I can't think of anything crappier than sdumb characters with names like:

Anakin Solo
Ben Skywalker



Nope. To say they will avoid the EU give it too much credit. They will complete IGNORE it. Rightly so too.

For the record, I commissioned a scarless Hayden Christensen Ghost Anakin Skywalker, I enjoy the PT, and I am rapidly approaching 40.

IF they ignore it, they ignore it. Like I said before, not a dealbreaker.

Though, If they Don't ignore it, The Tears will be delicious.

And yes, Though you're not part of the Vocal minority that Holds the OT in near Holy reverence, you are nearing 40. though, by that time, it will be those people tend to be over 50.

Though an interseting point has been Risen Pix, What specific EU stories post jedi did you read that you so Loathed? I get a fealing you and I might find some common ground there.

Kevin J Anderson's books were mostly Garbage. SOME good ideas ( the jedi academy, Sith involvement in the building of teh anchient temples on Yavin), but a great deal of it was corrupted by VERY poor writing.

However, if memory serves, you liked much of the Karen Traviss stories, and she wrote some of the best Post-jedi books.

 

[IrishJedi]

I think people are already forgetting that this movie is being written by Michael Arndt (with input and guidance from Lawrence Kasdan) based on a treatment by George Lucas. Chances are that explicit EU references will be minimal, if non-existent.

 

[pixletwin]

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I think people are already forgetting that this movie is being written by Michael Arndt (with input and guidance from Lawrence Kasdan) based on a treatment by George Lucas. Chances are that explicit EU references will be minimal, if non-existent.

I was hoping you would show up soon.

 

[lerath666]

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I think people are already forgetting that this movie is being written by Michael Arndt (with input and guidance from Lawrence Kasdan) based on a treatment by George Lucas. Chances are that explicit EU references will be minimal, if non-existent.

Yup, it's not like a director can throw out a script, or demand changes to one he feels is lacking, right

 

[IrishJedi]

I mean, I guess it's still possible that Abrams & co. could throw in some references. But I'd have to think Lucas' story treatment (and the resulting draft of the script) is its own unique thing.

And this script is what got Abrams onboard, particularly the meeting with Kennedy, Arndt and Kasdan.

 

[pixletwin]

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Are we talking about the veracity of things that haven't even happened yet? We can't seriously be that dumb can we?

 

[K07]

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Chances are that explicit EU references will be minimal, if non-existent.

I'd be fine with that. Just don't go pissing on what was established just because they're ignorant to all the happenings of the EU.

The reason people probably like the PT EU is because the characters get characterization unlike they did in the movies. Just who the heck was General Greivous and where did he come from? They didn't even tell us in the title scroll why there was a four armed, lightsaber wielding, coughing robot

By the way, I don't like the EU Comic "Dark Empire." I like the idea of a cloned Emperor coming to tempt Luke, but I hate the idea he actually turns to the Darkside. It goes against the conclusion of RotJ. A better story would be him seducing Leia to the Darkside and having Luke turn her back. She has less understanding of the Force and would be more likely to want the power to restore balance to the galaxy after fighting the Civil War and Imperial Remnant all these years. The beauty of the EU (just like the PT and CW) is I can ignore it if I don't like it.

I think I'm going to purchase the first four books in Stackpole's "X-Wing" series for summer reading. And I really want to see some WWII style dogfights like the OT gave us. And Wedge Antilles!

 

[darthviper107]

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I think people are already forgetting that this movie is being written by Michael Arndt (with input and guidance from Lawrence Kasdan) based on a treatment by George Lucas. Chances are that explicit EU references will be minimal, if non-existent.

I highly doubt that Lucas would have approved all the EU stuff and then written a story that was completely different. If Arndt is using any stuff from Lucas it's quite possible that it would have some EU elements to pull from.

 

[IrishJedi]

It's possible. But, remember, Lucas himself never personally approved the EU books and comics. That was his licensing people. He probably knows less about the EU than pixletwin. In fact, I'm sure of it.

Also, I'm reminded that Lucas was basically strong-armed and begged by LFL folks to keep the name "Coruscant" for the prequels. He had another name in mind and was annoyed that they let Zahn rename it in the book and the name caught on. I really doubt he'd be as accommodating for something as important as major characters.

If Lucas ignored or contradicts the EU in this treatment then that's what's gonna happen.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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Read an earlier post he made. A lot of the EU flows naturally from the end of RotJ. He's not suggesting we are told about Thrawn, the Star Crusher, or the Yuuzahn Vong. He's saying things that make sense to have followed in these characters' loves that shape who they are at the beginning of this film. I don't agree lip-service needs to be paid to all of it, and even if it was, his suggestion is vague enough that if you hate Mara Jade or Anakin Solo, you don't need to imagine them having existed. But those that like those characters would hear those references and actually have a connection to them.

I imagine it sort of a small line of dialogue akin to Old Ben recounting the events of the Prequels. EU haters can hear what happened and understand why the galaxy is the way it is and why the characters are the way they are. EU fans will hear it and get a hard on

I usually do read Lerath's posts thoroughly.. I guess I skimmed a little there.

Yeah - as I said, I'm fine with things being woven in, in a flowing plausible way.

For the sake of discussion, how else should the EU have gone down?

Again - some passing mentions are fine, & are of course fair enough to reference; like the Ben / Luke chat in ANH.

THIS.

Exactly.
Expecting specific references "When we fought thrawn on..... During the Vong war blah blah blah" is folly and nonsense. That's NOT going to happen.

Who knows what's going to happen..

I skimmed your earlier post man - & I'm not opposed to cleverly placed subtle tips of the hat; I wouldn't necessarily begrudge the EU fans that.

I haven't read a lot of EU literature. I've sampled bits & pieces from various sources & eras, but the one that I just flat out abandoned after the first few pages, was THE BOUNTY HUNTER TRILOGY .. if that's the name. It was PAINFUL. Yes, the first few pages were enough.

 

[Khev]

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It feels so good to not care what they do going forward. Jedi twins, Thrawn, Chewie's death, Fett's survival, PT references. Whatever stupid things they throw in don't matter anymore. We'll always have Harmy.

 

[lerath666]

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I usually do read Lerath's posts thoroughly.. I guess I skimmed a little there.

Yeah - as I said, I'm fine with things being woven in, in a flowing plausible way.


Again - some passing mentions are fine, & are of course fair enough to reference; like the Ben / Luke chat in ANH.


Who knows what's going to happen..

I skimmed your earlier post man - & I'm not opposed to cleverly placed subtle tips of the hat; I wouldn't necessarily begrudge the EU fans that.

I haven't read a lot of EU literature. I've sampled bits & pieces from various sources & eras, but the one that I just flat out abandoned after the first few pages, was THE BOUNTY HUNTER TRILOGY .. if that's the name. It was PAINFUL. Yes, the first few pages were enough.

Eww. Yeah, the Bounty hunter wars was a pretty bad one.

Fate of the Jedi is a good arch, IF a long one. Legacy of the Force Is pretty good as well.
Both delve Pretty Heavy into Sith Lore and idealology.
Darth Plageuis is pretty good too.

 

[darthviper107]

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It's possible. But, remember, Lucas himself never personally approved the EU books and comics. That was his licensing people. He probably knows less about the EU than pixletwin. In fact, I'm sure of it.

Also, I'm reminded that Lucas was basically strong-armed and begged by LFL folks to keep the name "Coruscant" for the prequels. He had another name in mind and was annoyed that they let Zahn rename it in the book and the name caught on. I really doubt he'd be as accommodating for something as important as major characters.

If Lucas ignored or contradicts the EU in this treatment then that's what's gonna happen.

Actually he had to personally approve quite a bit of it, like Chewbacca's death

 

[IrishJedi]

Actually he had to personally approve quite a bit of it, like Chewbacca's death

I'll let you in on how that kind of stuff used to go down...

EU Writer: "Here's my manuscript. by the way, I killed off Chewbacca."

LFL Editor: "Hmm... Well, since your timeline doesn't touch anything George cares about your story is probably fine. But since we're killing off such a marketable character I'll have to get this cleared."

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LFL Editor: "In this new novel the writer has killed off Chewbacca."

LFL Licensing: "Hmm. Okay, since its just EU it's probably no big deal, but let me bring this up to George."

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LFL Licensing: "Hey George, in the latest licensing SW book the writer has killed off Chewbacca. [explains the scene from the book]."

George: "Hmm. That's interesting. Okay, go with it. It's just EU anyway, so if I ever decide I wanna use Chewbacca after that I just will and you guys will have to figure out how to fix the continuity in your silly licensed fan books....

... Oh, and if Chewbacca merchandise stops selling after this book, you're all fired."

 

[furystorm]

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Irish made me laugh out loud this morning.

Thanks for that!

 

[lerath666]

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I'll let you in on how that kind of stuff used to go down...

EU Writer: "Here's my manuscript. by the way, I killed off Chewbacca."

LFL Editor: "Hmm... Well, since your timeline doesn't touch anything George cares about your story is probably fine. But since we're killing off such a marketable character I'll have to get this cleared."

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LFL Editor: "In this new novel the writer has killed off Chewbacca."

LFL Licensing: "Hmm. Okay, since its just EU it's probably no big deal, but let me bring this up to George."

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LFL Licensing: "Hey George, in the latest licensing SW book the writer has killed off Chewbacca. [explains the scene from the book]."

George: "Hmm. That's interesting. Okay, go with it. It's just EU anyway, so if I ever decide I wanna use Chewbacca after that I just will and you guys will have to figure out how to fix the continuity in your silly licensed fan books....

... Oh, and if Chewbacca merchandise stops selling after this book, you're all fired."

Gotta admit, I Lol'd

 

[Niltusk]

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It feels so good to not care what they do going forward. Jedi twins, Thrawn, Chewie's death, Fett's survival, PT references. Whatever stupid things they throw in don't matter anymore. We'll always have Harmy.

I don't even have Harmy copies and I'm pretty much in agreement

 

[Niltusk]

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Leaked footage Ep. VII