Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[CelticPredator]

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EU sucks. It's am awful thing. Same as the prequels.

Except for Boba Fett surviving. That's true.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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Those EU things Lerath mentioned (with all due respect to him) would not be something I'd want to see referenced.

That said - I could maybe accept the Solo kids being mentioned in a passing comment or something, because that would be a natural thing for a long time couple to have happen anyway. Where do you stop though?

Like they said in that 'buzzkill' article, letting the writers etc explore NEW ideas within the framework of what's been established on film, is what I personally am wanting to see.

Subtly weaving in a mention here & there of some EU thing could work, but not at the expense of shifting the focus of what's been established on film - & what the majority of folks that have grown up with the films only, would want to see / appreciate.

 

[darthviper107]

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I'm OK with them not doing EU, but I would really like them to do the Solo kids, they're a very good part of the EU and a logical direction for the series. They don't need to follow the stories that they have had, but I'd like them to be the new main characters. And I'd really like Luke to finally be a badass, at the beginning of the Dark Empire trilogy he was really awesome and it'd be nice if he was like that in the new movies. I don't care about his kid though.

 

[TURINS~BANE]

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Set it 100 years after Return of the Jedi. No need to recast the core characters, start afresh with new adventures in a new world order. You could still include the droids... and Chewbacca and perhaps have mention of Han, Leia and Luke rebuilding the Jedi order and the New Rebuplic and they've now become figures of myth and legend. I have hope with Kathleen Kennedy as head producer, she rarely makes a poor film.

no this will be set around 30 years after ROTJ, they have contacted the OT cast which is what i want, maybe ep 12 will be set 100 years after?

 

[lerath666]

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I don't give a **** what random writers were putting out happened and I hope it has nothing to do with/influence the next set of movies.

so.. what you're saying is, you want thsi to pick up immediately after The end of Return of the jedi, but 30 years later. everyone spontainusly aging 30 years over night.

right... that's kinda dumb... but then, hollywird has made worse stories.

EU sucks. It's am awful thing. Same as the prequels.

Except for Boba Fett surviving. That's true.

Can you Cite Specific examples from the EU as to why you dislike it?
or are you simply hating on it becuase it's trendy?
OR becuase you're over 40?

no this will be set around 30 years after ROTJ, they have contacted the OT cast which is what i want, maybe ep 12 will be set 100 years after?

except... suprisingly... there is NO mention of Mayhew being contacted.... hmm...


Also... isn't Abrams... an established EU fan?

I'm expecting totaly new stories. I'm not especting anythng more than cursory lip-service to what came before.

And if you Think there will not be a new character in this movie with the last name Skywalker, you're probobly going to be Very suprised.

That would be like making a batman movie, without Batman.

The Skywalkers, moreso than anyone else, are the heart and soul of Starwars.

and if there is a new skywaker.... that means...

 

[furystorm]

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What's wrong with being over 40? I'm not, but sheesh!

 

[pixletwin]

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The Skywalkers, moreso than anyone else, are the heart and soul of Starwars.

and if there is a new skywaker.... that means...

...that means they will likely come up with entirely new characters (possibly Skywalkers) that have no connection to anything EU written in the last 30 years.

Thank the gods.

 

[furystorm]

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Thank the maker.

I can live with little references to the EU, like when Han mentioned Ord Mantell, or Luke describes Beggar's Canyon. Things like that, that fire the imagination.

 

[K07]

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That said - I could maybe accept the Solo kids being mentioned in a passing comment or something, because that would be a natural thing for a long time couple to have happen anyway. Where do you stop though?

Read an earlier post he made. A lot of the EU flows naturally from the end of RotJ. He's not suggesting we are told about Thrawn, the Star Crusher, or the Yuuzahn Vong. He's saying things that make sense to have followed in these characters' loves that shape who they are at the beginning of this film. I don't agree lip-service needs to be paid to all of it, and even if it was, his suggestion is vague enough that if you hate Mara Jade or Anakin Solo, you don't need to imagine them having existed. But those that like those characters would hear those references and actually have a connection to them.

I imagine it sort of a small line of dialogue akin to Old Ben recounting the events of the Prequels. EU haters can hear what happened and understand why the galaxy is the way it is and why the characters are the way they are. EU fans will hear it and get a hard on

Like they said in that 'buzzkill' article, letting the writers etc explore NEW ideas within the framework of what's been established on film, is what I personally am wanting to see.

For the sake of discussion, how else should the EU have gone down? Luke doesn't start a New Jedi Order? Han Solo and Leia don't get married or have kids despite Han's character arc having taken him from a self-centered, selfish scoundrel to a man willing to risk his life and profit for a woman and her ideals? The one and only thing I can think of people not wanting is Chewbacca being dead. That's understandable. But the rest, I don't understand the hate for.

There are ridiculous EU stories. But none of that needs to be mentioned. Why rewrite that 30 year history in some lines of dialogue just for the sake of pissing on the EU. Since JJ is supposedly an EU fan (source?), I wouldn't expect him to allow a rewriting of that history UNLESS the story needed that alternate history. Either they don't mention any of the events between Episodes VI-VII, or they give a vague reference here and there that could be connected to the EU but it doesn't have to be.

For the record, Coruscant first appeared in the EU and it made its way on screen. Did that get everyone's panties twisted? Little things like that shouldn't matter. Having a different capital city planet in its place is just spitting on fans for the sake of it.

 

[jye4ever]

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So will these movies be for kids again like GL said about the PT.

I bet one of the big changes will be to distance away from using that term.

Man I wish I could relive my childhood of Raiders/Superman 2/Empire/Jedi/Conan/Road Warrior/Thing

 

[lerath666]

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What's wrong with being over 40? I'm not, but sheesh!

Nothing at all. However, I've noticed that MOST of the vocal naysayers about anything Star wars that isn't the OT, are generaly over 40.

 

[lerath666]

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...that means they will likely come up with entirely new characters (possibly Skywalkers) that have no connection to anything EU written in the last 30 years.

Thank the gods.

:eyeroll

If we have more skywalkers, it means luke had kids. Period. That's an EU reference.

Luke Having a Son, Named Ben, After a beloved mentor, is not that far-fetched a story.

Read an earlier post he made. A lot of the EU flows naturally from the end of RotJ. He's not suggesting we are told about Thrawn, the Star Crusher, or the Yuuzahn Vong. He's saying things that make sense to have followed in these characters' loves that shape who they are at the beginning of this film. I don't agree lip-service needs to be paid to all of it, and even if it was, his suggestion is vague enough that if you hate Mara Jade or Anakin Solo, you don't need to imagine them having existed. But those that like those characters would hear those references and actually have a connection to them.

I imagine it sort of a small line of dialogue akin to Old Ben recounting the events of the Prequels. EU haters can hear what happened and understand why the galaxy is the way it is and why the characters are the way they are. EU fans will hear it and get a hard on



For the sake of discussion, how else should the EU have gone down? Luke doesn't start a New Jedi Order? Han Solo and Leia don't get married or have kids despite Han's character arc having taken him from a self-centered, selfish scoundrel to a man willing to risk his life and profit for a woman and her ideals? The one and only thing I can think of people not wanting is Chewbacca being dead. That's understandable. But the rest, I don't understand the hate for.

There are ridiculous EU stories. But none of that needs to be mentioned. Why rewrite that 30 year history in some lines of dialogue just for the sake of pissing on the EU. Since JJ is supposedly an EU fan (source?), I wouldn't expect him to allow a rewriting of that history UNLESS the story needed that alternate history. Either they don't mention any of the events between Episodes VI-VII, or they give a vague reference here and there that could be connected to the EU but it doesn't have to be.

For the record, Coruscant first appeared in the EU and it made its way on screen. Did that get everyone's panties twisted? Little things like that shouldn't matter. Having a different capital city planet in its place is just spitting on fans for the sake of it.

THIS.

Exactly.
Expecting specific references "When we fought thrawn on..... During the Vong war blah blah blah" is folly and nonsense. That's NOT going to happen.

Vague answers that flow naturaly from the end of jedi, and don't DIRECTLY contradict the EU, should make MOST people happy.
They Let those who Enjoy the EU have what they want, as well as allowing for a new story to be told free from any constraints, becuase we are venturing into new teritory that little to nothing is known about.
It also allows those who don't know, and don't care anything about the EU to stay ignorant of it, and continue not caring.

with the OT cast, I'm expecting a cameo, AT MOST. Possibly having Hammil play an Obi-wan, or Gandalf type role to the new characters.


Lastly, Abrams said he plans to Honor, but not Revere everything that came before.
This... intrigues me.

 

[Darthrazz]

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with the OT cast, I'm expecting a cameo, AT MOST. Possibly having Hammil play an Obi-wan, or Gandalf type role to the new characters.

I'm guessing that as well, more like Nimoy was used in Star Trek, which worked very well IMHO. Luke will probably be a Force ghost.

 

[furystorm]

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Nothing at all. However, I've noticed that MOST of the vocal naysayers about anything Star wars that isn't the OT, are generaly over 40.

Try not to be so closed minded. It takes all types. I have plenty of friends past the Ewok date line that like Ewoks, and some that don't. And I surely know plenty of folks over 40 that enjoy the hell out of the EU.

Might as well say all Muslims are terrorists.

 

[lerath666]

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Try not to be so closed minded. It takes all types. I have plenty of friends past the Ewok date line that like Ewoks, and some that don't. And I surely know plenty of folks over 40 that enjoy the hell out of the EU.

Might as well say all Muslims are terrorists.

Not closed minded at all. My father is in his late 60's, and a fan of the novels.

However, as i stated before, The VOCAL people on the interwebs who are screaming that OT is only SW, Give me original theatrical releases or nothing else! tend to be over the age of 40.

not All.

Bear in mind, I didn't say that MOST people over 40 tend to be OT purists.

I said MOST OT purists tend to be over 40. And the people i was speficily adressing were presenting viewpoints that tend to come from OT purists.

What you likend me to saying was " all muslims from the middle east are terrorits"

However, a more accurate analogy would be " Most terroritst from the Middle east Are muslims"

 

[K07]

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My dad is 65. He loves the prequels. TPM is one of his favorite SW movies of all-time. He saw the OT in theaters. In fact, he saw ANH two days in a row because he was so blown away. Before I got my hands on any EU books or reference books, I knew about Vader and Obi-Wan fighting and Vader falling into a volcano. From where? My dad remembered the rumors from the '80s. We saw RotS at midnight together because we thought it was the last hoorah for SW.

I've got a friend who is 45. He loves the OT and PT and the Thrawn Trilogy. He also enjoys the CW cartoons. I myself am nearly 26. I dislike the PT. I loathe the CW. I adore the OT pre-1997. And I love most of the EU I've read/played and really grew up on it as much as I did the OT. They're one and the same to me.

As for the original cast, I'm not expecting a mere cameo from Luke. I expect him to be a supporting character through this whole trilogy in the way Sir Alec was in the old trilogy. Han and Leia? Maybe a cameo or supporting role or something in between. I don't expect them to be in all three of these. I really expect Han to die to be honest.

 

[lerath666]

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Very Possible. it WOULD be giving harrison what he REALLY wanted, and I'd be suprised if it dosn't happen to be quite honest.

 

[pixletwin]

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:eyeroll

If we have more skywalkers, it means luke had kids. Period. That's an EU reference.

I am afraid you may be very disaapointed then because I am pretty sure that Luke will likely not have any kids and thank god for that. I can't think of anything crappier than sdumb characters with names like:

Anakin Solo
Ben Skywalker



Nope. To say they will avoid the EU give it too much credit. They will complete IGNORE it. Rightly so too.

For the record, I commissioned a scarless Hayden Christensen Ghost Anakin Skywalker, I enjoy the PT, and I am rapidly approaching 40.

 

[Darth Waller]

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For the record, I commissioned a scarless Hayden Christensen Ghost Anakin Skywalker, I enjoy the PT, and I am rapidly approaching 40.

 

[pixletwin]

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