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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

This has probably been asked or mentioned on this thread before, but now that Disney owns Star Wars, do they have the rights to De-specialize the Special Editions?

Could we get a 1080p restored Original edition of the OT?
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

My biggest problem with the prequels is that they severely lack any sound character motivation. That is entirely the fault of Lucas as writer. The writers he brought in for Ep 2 and 3 should have fixed that. The prequels feel like very rough, early drafts or even outlines of a movie. But he never fleshed out his ideas enough to tie the events together. Yes, Anakin and Padme are supposed to fall in love, but they never showed why or how they did. In fact, what he did show would really have forced Padme to put out a restraining order on creepy Anakin. You have to show the audience how something like falling in love happens instead of forcing the audience to simply accept it. Sure, I can see why Anakin likes Padme. But why would Padme ever like him back? He hasn't shown any redeeming values at all to her, only that he complains and blames everyone else for his problems, and is a homicidal maniac with anger issues. And Padme really likes this? It's not even like Anakin is a bad *** bad boy with a motorcycle and Padme's trying to piss off her parents. The only thing Anakin ever showed Padme is his obsessive attraction to her. It's as if Padme has never had any boy ever like her (except for her first time when she was twelve) and she's really desperate.

I also think the prequels would play better with 80% of the dialogue taken out. If you don't hear any of Anakin's repulsive dialogue when he's trying to woo Padme, you might be more inclined to accept their courtship.

Oh, and the terrible attempts at humor. Terrible terrible. So embarrassing. And so unfunny.

Pixar has shown (at least prior to Cars 2) that it can successfully write a movie aimed at kids with a lot of wit, insight, excitement, and most importantly, heart. Those things are universal and appeal to every age group. So it is possible to do.

Anyway, visually they are still interesting movies and I enjoy most of the action sequences. I have most, if not all, of the "making of" books because I love the artwork and designs, and I have the PT on DVD (but didn't get the Blu Rays). I mostly collect the OT stuff, but I have a couple of figures from the PT (Ep 3 Obi and Ani) and will get Grievous as well. So I'm not a complete PT hater and can appreciate it for some things.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

My biggest problem with the prequels is that they severely lack any sound character motivation. That is entirely the fault of Lucas as writer. The writers he brought in for Ep 2 and 3 should have fixed that. The prequels feel like very rough, early drafts or even outlines of a movie. But he never fleshed out his ideas enough to tie the events together. Yes, Anakin and Padme are supposed to fall in love, but they never showed why or how they did. In fact, what he did show would really have forced Padme to put out a restraining order on creepy Anakin. You have to show the audience how something like falling in love happens instead of forcing the audience to simply accept it. Sure, I can see why Anakin likes Padme. But why would Padme ever like him back? He hasn't shown any redeeming values at all to her, only that he complains and blames everyone else for his problems, and is a homicidal maniac with anger issues. And Padme really likes this? It's not even like Anakin is a bad *** bad boy with a motorcycle and Padme's trying to piss off her parents. The only thing Anakin ever showed Padme is his obsessive attraction to her. It's as if Padme has never had any boy ever like her (except for her first time when she was twelve) and she's really desperate.

I also think the prequels would play better with 80% of the dialogue taken out. If you don't hear any of Anakin's repulsive dialogue when he's trying to woo Padme, you might be more inclined to accept their courtship.

Oh, and the terrible attempts at humor. Terrible terrible. So embarrassing. And so unfunny.

Pixar has shown (at least prior to Cars 2) that it can successfully write a movie aimed at kids with a lot of wit, insight, excitement, and most importantly, heart. Those things are universal and appeal to every age group. So it is possible to do.

Anyway, visually they are still interesting movies and I enjoy most of the action sequences. I have most, if not all, of the "making of" books because I love the artwork and designs, and I have the PT on DVD (but didn't get the Blu Rays). I mostly collect the OT stuff, but I have a couple of figures from the PT (Ep 3 Obi and Ani) and will get Grievous as well. So I'm not a complete PT hater and can appreciate it for some things.

Um... GL cut the mushy parts out for a 2 hour movie? :dunno
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Agreed Lu - uncle George was thinking about the finish line before he'd even ran the race. :lol

You're right about the development of the Ani/Padme arc - definitely forced & not believable in the slightest.

All their dialogue pretty much was wasted air..

I've gotta check out the art books though, Ive got none of that stuff.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

This has probably been asked or mentioned on this thread before, but now that Disney owns Star Wars, do they have the rights to De-specialize the Special Editions?

Could we get a 1080p restored Original edition of the OT?

I'm not sure, Fox still has distribution rights until like 2020, so I don't know that Disney can push out new releases without their approval.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Can someone please explain to me, the pros & cons to those orginial theatrical releases that were included with the 2006 DVD OT releases?

I've got them, & watched ROTJ for the first time the other day. I still have an older style TV, but the film seemed fine. Is it all the side of screen stuff that you miss with a proper conversion or something?
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Can someone please explain to me, the pros & cons to those orginial theatrical releases that were included with the 2006 DVD OT releases?

I've got them, & watched ROTJ for the first time the other day. I still have an older style TV, but the film seemed fine. Is it all the side of screen stuff that you miss with a proper conversion or something?

Yeah, it's not Anamorphic ws. I just want 1080P Anamorphic and to have the print cleaned up.

I dont mind the cleaing up ofthe technical issues in the Sp. Ed's, I just dont like the content changes.

I'm not sure, Fox still has distribution rights until like 2020, so I don't know that Disney can push out new releases without their approval.

Wow, 2020, maybe they can reach a agreement to release the films jointly. I'm sure it's just an issue of money.
 
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Um... GL cut the mushy parts out for a 2 hour movie? :dunno

Well, he actually did try to show you how they fell in love, but they fell in love in no way two humans from the planet Earth would fall in love. Okay, it's a given Anakin is in love with Padme. He's been in love with her ever since he saw her as a kid. I can go so far as to say that she represents the freedom he got when he was "rescued" by Qui Gon. But Padme fell in love with Anakin because he jumped on a space cow and faked that he got hurt when he fell off? Or because he cut up a fruit with his force powers? Or she fell for him because of his line about sand, or his murderous confession? So GL did show some mushy parts, but nothing that would make a normal young woman fall for a guy.

Agreed Lu - uncle George was thinking about the finish line before he'd even ran the race. :lol

You're right about the development of the Ani/Padme arc - definitely forced & not believable in the slightest.

All their dialogue pretty much was wasted air..

I've gotta check out the art books though, Ive got none of that stuff.

I personally love all that stuff, and those books are great. I particularly like TPM book which has Ian McCaig's wonderful work.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

We've seen the film dude - no need for a painful recap. :lol

Han & Leia fell in love, because there was obvious, natural, unforced CHEMISTRY between them. Kirshner & Kasdan were maestros with how they crafted it.

You can't make a comparison to Anakin & Padme. The writing, dialogue, the direction, the digital back drops - none of it. :lol

As mentioned earlier (& while I love the film ultimately), the plot points in TPM; like Ani blowing up the droid control ship, are unbelievable & silly. It's a mirror for the sake of a mirror; Luke did it, so naturally Ani has to do it for an emotional / nostalgic connection with the character. A tick in the love column for Padme? Ehh..

Those other things; the necklace thing - cute, but that's all. Paying her awkward compliments, spending a brief period at her place, him getting clingy & weird, then killing dozens of indigeonous Tatooineian women & children - & then she truly.. deeply.. loves.. him?

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Seriously.. :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Plinkett isn't wrong. Half the **** he talks about in that review are basically fundamentally basic film stuff. He brings up nitpicks for comedy, but he goes into to detail why the films fail to be actually engaging. You think it's engaging, but it's really not.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Pretty much yes. If you enjoy it, that's cool. I've enjoyed The Transformers movies, but I can still see that they're pretty godawful piles of ****.

But now Pacific Rim exists, I don't think I need them any more to get my robot fix. :D
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Not really. Because these movies are really, really, really bad.

They lack actual emotion, they lack actual characters, they lack any real engaging story. Like I said, they're made by a man who doesn't understand human beings. He doesn't know why people love Star Wars, he doesn't understand why people liked the original films over his hack job re-edits.

He works with yes men who tell him everything he does is gold, which is totally not how a film works. Good films work with collaboration. Period. You always need someone telling you you're going too far. But hopefully you can work well with that person, and bring your work down to a level that's accessible to the audience, and still works for them.

People complain that J.J Abrams will ruin Star Wars....it's already ruined. You can't go anywhere but up now.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I think we can all agree that the PT is not as good as anyone would have hoped. We all want our favorite movie series to be bad***. However at the end of the day im just happy we got the PT. Some of you sound like you would rather it not exist.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

I think we can all agree that the PT is not as good as anyone would have hoped. We all want our favorite movie series to be bad***. However at the end of the day im just happy we got the PT. Some of you sound like you would rather it not exist.

.....well...yeah. :huh
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

they way the movie was presented, i don't think Anakin and Padme were in love at all... the films make more sense to me this way. Han and Leia... that was a true courtship. Anakin and Padme are merely obsessive children who literally act out (poorly) what they think love is... they are two empty individuals in need of something. their lack of chemistry screams of the screen... i like to think this was the point... or maybe i should say i wish this was the point... obsession... immaturity... consequence.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

they way the movie was presented, i don't think Anakin and Padme were in love at all... the films make more sense to me this way. Han and Leia... that was a true courtship. Anakin and Padme are merely obsessive children who literally act out (poorly) what they think love is... they are two empty individuals in need of something. their lack of chemistry screams of the screen... i like to think this was the point... or maybe i should say i wish this was the point... obsession... immaturity... consequence.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the point. Lucas intended for us to fully believe in their love and the tragedy of where it led. And at that he spectacularly failed.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

The way Anakin slaughtered those sand people was pretty endearing. Whats not to love? LOL.

That scene in AOTC should have occured AFTER he knocked her up, not what 3 years before.

I still don't get why Lucas:

1) couldn't have made Anakin's fall be at the end of AOTC or the middle of ROTS
2) needed to have Padme die during birth rather than have her die while the twins are toddlers.
3) couldn't have a section of ROTS where Anakin is Vader and Vader kill Padme rather than as Anakin.
 
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