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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Hayden's done other stuff - apart from 'Jumper'.. :lol

He was critically praised for his performance in 'Life As A House' - he got a Golden Globe for it.

The guy can act fine.. blame uncle George for using him like a marionette puppet. :huh

Ofcorese he did fine in life as a house. the character was a whiney teen.

He's a one-trick pony. Winy teen is all he can do. Which is why so many people hated him as anakin.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Ofcorese he did fine in life as a house. the character was a whiney teen.

He's a one-trick pony. Winy teen is all he can do. Which is why so many people hated him as anakin.
You're making no sense dude.. :lol

He played his role well in that film - hence the award.

People all over the world didn't like him as Anakin - not because he did the whiny teen thing well, but because Lucas directed him badly - & a lot of his lines were plain cringe worthy & stupid.

There's a definite distinction. :lecture
 
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I like the Clone Wars version of Anakin, it's as if the film and cartoon version are two totally different characters.:dunno
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Blaming the actor is the lazy thing to do. Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor are both wonderful actors, people know this because they saw them in other movies BEFORE the PT. But their performances are just as wooden and just as stupidly peppered with bad dialog. It doesn't take the thinking and analytical person very long to realize that the problem lied squarely on the shoulders of the writer and director who has no clue how to write for or direct human beings. Even moreso than this, the real root of the problem is all the wusses who surrounded Lucas who were too chicken**** to tell the man when an idea was crap. They were too eager say "yes sir. Wow. That's the genius of George Lucas at work" and collect their paycheck to care about whether the product was consumable.

Classic case of the Emperor with no clothes.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Blaming the actor is the lazy thing to do. Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor are both wonderful actors, people know this because they saw them in other movies BEFORE the PT. But their performances are just as wooden and just as stupidly peppered with bad dialog. It doesn't take the thinking and analytical person very long to realize that the problem lied squarely on the shoulders of the writer and director who has no clue how to write for or direct human beings. Even moreso than this, the real root of the problem is all the wusses who surrounded Lucas who were too chicken**** to tell the man when an idea was crap. They were too eager say "yes sir. Wow. That's the genius of George Lucas at work" and collect their paycheck to care about whether the product was consumable.

Classic case of the Emperor with no clothes
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:exactly: They needed a guy like Gary Kurtz who wasn't afraid to tell Lucas when he was wrong.
 
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:exactly: They needed a guy like Gary Kurtz who wasn't afraid to tell Lucas when he was wrong.

That is the absolute truth! :hi5::clap

How different (and better) would Episodes 6, 1, 2, 3 would have been had Gary stayed on and Lucas had left? O, what could have been...
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

That is the absolute truth! :hi5::clap

How different (and better) would Episodes 6, 1, 2, 3 would have been had Gary stayed on and Lucas had left? O, what could have been...



I believe that Kurtz was not happy about another Death Star in ROTJ and that led to his departure.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Some of these are pretty good, some not.

64 reasons to hate AOTC.

https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep2_1-10.php

Some of those are really funny. :lol

Reason #12
"Humor"
When Anakin finally catches up with Obi-Wan he asks Anakin: "What took you so long." Anakin responds with the line: "Oh you know master, I couldn't find a speeder I really liked." It doesn't stop there because he goes on an on and on about how he had a particular color in mind and it didn't have the features he was looking for, etc. The lines are delivered with the comedic flare of Alan Greenspan reading an obituary aloud. Obi-Wan then says: "If you spent as much time practicing your swordplay as you do practicing your wit you would rival Master Yoda as a swordsman." No he wouldn't... he would be a really terrible swordsman. And really embarrassing to watch.

Reason #21
Representative Binks
Apparently the reason that this Galactic Republic has stood for 1,000 years is because of the great rules they have in place. One such rule is that if you don't feel like going to the Senate you can just have your completely unqualified fool of a friend just fill in for you and decide the fate of the entire Galaxy.

Reason #23
Anakin's First Tirade
After being with Amidala for about a day Anakin decides it's acceptable to show his true colors and he has a fit. He starts complaining about Obi-Wan saying: "It's not fair!" and "He doesn't understand!" Basically he just goes off on a completely unprompted *****fest for no reason. He does do a fairly good job of capturing the essence of Luke from the first two movies but he also does a really good job of flipping out for no reason and yelling at people he hardly knows or hasn't seen in ten years. It would be like burdening someone at your high school reunion about how high your car tax is.

Reason #24
Anakin the Jerk
Anakin goes from being this little sweetheart in The Phantom Menace to being a complete ******* in Attack of the Clones. He's whiny, creepy, annoying, rude and arrogant. He also throws temper tantrums at two or three points in the movie. What happened to him? He was a pretty well adjusted kid and you would figure that under the guidance of the Jedi he would become even more stable. Instead he turned into a total doofus. He creeps out Amidala by just staring at her like a creepy stalker and when she says, "Please don't look at me like that," he responds by saying, "Sorry," but also displaying a sinister grin and continuing to stare at her! What kind of fool would do this and what's more is why would she be at all attracted to someone like this? There's absolutely no reason why she would fall in love with someone like this. Return of the Jedi works so hard at making the evil Darth Vader into a likeable character despite the things that he has done. This movie comes along and makes the viewer hate Anakin just because he's a total jerk. A huge hole is left in the plot as to why he became this way that just leaves us asking, "Why did Anakin become such a ********?"

Reason #25
Bustin' on Artoo There's this one scene where Padme and Anakin are walking on Naboo and she says she's a little nervous and he confesses to also being nervous since this is his first assignment by himself. "Don't worry," Padme says. "We have Artoo with us." Then they both laugh about how ridiculous a concept it is that Artoo could be at all useful. Artoo beeps and if Threepio were there to translate it would probably be something along the lines of "**** you both."

Reason #26
The Diner
Obi-Wan decides to visit his friend, Dex--a a big disgusting creature with four arms--to ask him about the poison dart. He meets him at a Diner where Dex works. There are many problems with this scene. One is that the twelve-bar blues is playing in the background during the entire scene and that the diner just looks like something from the 1950's on a planet called Earth. Dex is able to tell just by looking at this dart what planet it comes from. That's great but if he knows apparently more than the Jedi "Analysis Archives" then why the hell is he a short order cook? Also, Obi-Wan is confident that finding where this dart is made he will locate this "bounty hunter". I believe he's taking a great deal for granted in assuming that this person could not have gotten this dart somewhere else, say at a store on another planet.

Reason #29
The Cloners
The entire scene just smacks of video game plot. Watching it you get the feeling that you are just playing a Sierra game from the late eighties. And it's everything, the layout of the set, the graphics, the plot and the dialogue. I spent most of the scene wishing that I had brought a mouse so that I could tell Obi-Wan to search for objects and look out the window.
 
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Some of those are really funny. :lol

The ''I couldn't find a speeder I liked'' line would have been funny if it was just left at that. As always though, Lucas just didn't know when enough was enough.
 
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For me the crap started with ROTJ.

Bu there's so much else that is right with that movie that it's easy to forgive the bad stuff.

But with the PT, there's nothing to balance out and counter the bad.

ROTJ is like doing 2 hot chicks at once but finding out their feet and breath smell like cheese, you're still going to have lots of fun.
 
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:exactly: Aint that the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love Jedi. I've said that every scene involving the Jedi, Sith or both is perfect. It's the rest that has not aged well with me. It still holds a special place in my heart as it is the first movie I remember seeing in the theatre with my dad and brother that I was truly focused on and completely enveloped into the universe.
 
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ROTJ is like doing 2 hot chicks at once but finding out their feet and breath smell like cheese, you're still going to have lots of fun.

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:monkey4 :lol
 
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:exactly: Aint that the truth. Don't get me wrong, I love Jedi. I've said that every scene involving the Jedi, Sith or both is perfect. It's the rest that has not aged well with me. It still holds a special place in my heart as it is the first movie I remember seeing in the theatre with my dad and brother that I was truly focused on and completely enveloped into the universe.


Agree, I think that the whole Jabba's Palace/Han rescue and the Vader/Luke/Emperor scenes are really good, it's all the in-between stuff that's blurred a bit. Don't forget the Han rescue is almost half of the movie, there's a lot of stuff that takes place in the remainder of the film.
 
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Doesn't anyone think that actors performance's were below par because of the amount of CGI used for environments left them struggling to envisage their surroundings? Oh and the dialogue was **** as well.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

Some of these are pretty good, some not.

64 reasons to hate AOTC.

https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep2_1-10.php

:lol :lol :lol

Reason #43
"I will never join you!"
While Obi-Wan is imprisoned in a strange blue field, Dooku offers Obi-Wan a deal. "Join me," he says. "And together we will destroy the Sith." It's a really crappy cliche that has no purpose because you don't see any sort of emotion on Obi-Wan's face at all. He simply turns his head slightly and then simply says, "I will never join you, Dooku." End of story. It is clear that Obi-Wan's decision has been made. He is calm and firm about his answer so the audience is never thinking, Gee, what's going to happen? Is Obi-Wan being tempted? It's not like in The Empire Strikes Back where Luke is confused and doesn't know what to believe or what to do. Luke is torn between believing someone he trusts who may have been lying to him and believing someone he hates who, deep down, he knows is telling the truth. "Join me!" "Nope." "Okay." Just doesn't have the same sense of urgency.

Reason #44
Adolph Binks
Jar Jar's role is small in this film. Small but important. In the beginning of the film when he was on screen you could have cut the tension in the theatre with a knife. Everyone just joined in a collective cringe with every word that came out of his mouth. You could just feel it. While it is stupid that he was appointed to fill in for a senator it cannot be argued that Jar Jar had the most important role in the film and possibly in the entire series as a whole. Palpatine, through simple parental-like reverse Psychology, manages to get Jar Jar to bear the brunt of the responsibility of beginning the Clone Wars. It's very disturbing that it's presented in a humorous manner as if this was just another of Jar Jar's antics. Jar Jar's decision will ultimately put Emperor Palpatine in power and destroy all but two of the Jedi Knights. Even those cute little kids we get to see Yoda training in the Jedi Academy sequence. All of those kids are going to be ruthlessly murdered. Four and five year olds, dead and the blood is on Jar Jar's hands. Ha ha ha! Okay you got me, that is pretty funny! Oh Lucas, you card!

Reason #48
Anakin's Predicament
In the conveyor belt sequence Anakin's arm is stamped down into a piece of metal. All the other metal is stamped flat but for some reason Anakin's arm is encased in an Anakin's arm shaped piece of metal instead of being crushed. So now he's trapped. At first I thought that Anakin may end up having to chop his own arm off to escape the situation. I thought how that could be a really great moment and how he could have been the one who begins the disfigurement which will ultimately end up leading him to his signature Darth Vader suit. Then I remembered in the trailer how he duels with two lightsabers so that wouldn't happen. I also remembered that Lucas is a fool. Instead Anakin, after struggling for a minutes to try to work free from the molded metal that is imprisoning his arm just simply pulls his hand free at the last moment with no given explanation.

Reason #49
The Execution Sequence
Ah, the classic movie problem of villains executing people in a much too elaborate fashion. This time the concept is stretched beyond the limits of human reason. Let's take three people and chain them to poles and then release three monsters, so ridiculous looking that it will be impossible for the audience to not laugh at their sheer absurdity. Then we will have three guys with electric prods, force these terrible monsters towards the three people seeing as how the monsters won't be very interested in the people at all. Great. Count Dooku is supposed to be this brilliant man. At one point Jango Fett becomes the voice of reason and basically says: "You know, this isn't going as well as we had hoped. Let me shoot them." And Count Dooku won't allow it. Why is this? Is he having second thoughts? Is he really a good guy? No. There's no explanation given. He just won't allow it. I guess Count Dooku really had his heart set on having them eaten by animals. Poor guy.

Reason #50
"I've got a bad feeling about this."
Typically this line has been given when nothing particularly bad is going on but there may be a sense of foreboding. This is clearly not a GOOD situation that they are in as these giant monsters are approaching them. Lucas can't even seem follow his own stupid rules.

Reason #52
The Titanium Crotch
There's this one scene where Padme jumps from a tall pillar and lands, legs spread, on the back of one of the execution monsters. Now I'm not a woman but I've read in medical journals that women do not have the same sensitive bits between their legs that men do. While this may or may not be true I still find if very hard to believe that a woman could perform this task and be completely unfazed by the whole thing. The jump had to have been twenty feet. I would be willing to bet that freefalling even a mere five feet and landing on your crotch would make you double over, man or woman. Of course my fourth grade knowledge of the female anatomy could be leaving me in the dark.
 
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reading through... being reminded of the "conveyor belt"... possibly my least favorite scene of the saga.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (2015) Discussion Thread

All of these reasons posted are good points, but honestly, AOTC is just such a flaming mess, it hardly seems worth the time and effort to pick it apart.
 
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