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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Millennium Falcon already built for Episode VII
Millennium Falcon already built for Episode VII
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)
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RJMacReady16
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
I hope its true. And I hope I can live in it one day.
I hope its true. And I hope I can live in it one day.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
They did announce they are using film, which I think is a bad idea, so if they want to do 3D which announcements say they are then it'll be a big pain. I think most likely they would do post conversion rather than try and deal with filming in 3D. And then FX will be rendered in 3D. If they can do as good as they did with the Jurassic Park conversion then it'll be fine.
yeah, they are...
No you don't, but to shoot 3D on film in 2013/14 is terribly expensive and unwieldy. Most if not all of the latest 3D resurgence of movies have been either shot on film/hd and post converted or actually shot on a true HD3D camera system. There is a reason for this.
Not saying they couldn't do it with Star Wars, but its very unlikely. It would have to be a dual camera set up as you said.
One of the main problems with shooting 3D Film is this. Film is an organic process, it weaves through the camera spools and isn't exact. It shifts slightly and sometimes significantly as it is exposed. Camera weave. When two cameras are recording the same information at the same time, for true 3D, camera weave which is not synced between the two can ruin the effect or need a huge amount of correction later. HD cameras match exactly, don't have double the film stock or processing costs (huge on movies) and are light weight. And 3D effects work better because the image is sharper and the depth of field greater. Film has greater drop off of focus within shots, especially with anamorphic lenses so again more troublesome.
The camera on the left is a 3D 4K camera I believe. On the right is the traditional double HD cam 3D link up, you mentioned.
There are proper 3D cameras now that don't require a link rig. HD, 4K and 3DIMAX. Not film though.
They did announce they are using film, which I think is a bad idea, so if they want to do 3D which announcements say they are then it'll be a big pain. I think most likely they would do post conversion rather than try and deal with filming in 3D. And then FX will be rendered in 3D. If they can do as good as they did with the Jurassic Park conversion then it'll be fine.
Kamandi
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
I'll believe it when I see it. That said, if it's true they are doing physical sets it will look a million times better than CG.
The best way for Disney and LFL to buy a bit of goodwill with the fans is to announce the casting of Ford, Hamill and Fisher by putting out a photo of them sitting in director's chairs in front of this thing.
I'll believe it when I see it. That said, if it's true they are doing physical sets it will look a million times better than CG.
The best way for Disney and LFL to buy a bit of goodwill with the fans is to announce the casting of Ford, Hamill and Fisher by putting out a photo of them sitting in director's chairs in front of this thing.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
They're going to have to announce casting pretty soon, they don't usually start filming a movie without having announced the stars of the movie even if they aren't saying what roles they'll play. They start filming in January.
They're going to have to announce casting pretty soon, they don't usually start filming a movie without having announced the stars of the movie even if they aren't saying what roles they'll play. They start filming in January.
K07
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
2D film > 2D digital > 3D anything.
I think it's a wonderful idea and something that has me very excited to see this movie.
2D film > 2D digital > 3D anything.
I think it's a wonderful idea and something that has me very excited to see this movie.
lerath666
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Personaly perfer digital to film, as film tends to have an annoying grain VS a clear picture when its converted TO digital, as most theatres run digital projectors these days.
Personaly perfer digital to film, as film tends to have an annoying grain VS a clear picture when its converted TO digital, as most theatres run digital projectors these days.
greygoose
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Imagine being able to walk onto a life size Millennium Falcon one day at Star Wars World, or whatever else Disney has planned.
Imagine being able to walk onto a life size Millennium Falcon one day at Star Wars World, or whatever else Disney has planned.
Kamandi
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
It wouldn't work. The Falcon interiors were mostly built when the ship was still a blockade runner. George decided to change the exterior of the ship to the one we all know and love, but as a consequence there are many parts of the interior sets that couldn't possibly line up or fit inside. It would need to be part TARDIS.
From a real world POV Disney would need to make changes before they could allow hundreds of people every hour to walk through the inside the Millennium Falcon. Any Fire Marshall would object to having only one ramp serving all incoming/outgoing traffic (unacceptable in case of an emergency) and poor handicap accessibility.
Imagine being able to walk onto a life size Millennium Falcon one day at Star Wars World, or whatever else Disney has planned.
It wouldn't work. The Falcon interiors were mostly built when the ship was still a blockade runner. George decided to change the exterior of the ship to the one we all know and love, but as a consequence there are many parts of the interior sets that couldn't possibly line up or fit inside. It would need to be part TARDIS.
From a real world POV Disney would need to make changes before they could allow hundreds of people every hour to walk through the inside the Millennium Falcon. Any Fire Marshall would object to having only one ramp serving all incoming/outgoing traffic (unacceptable in case of an emergency) and poor handicap accessibility.
greygoose
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Ok, I guess everyone can just look at it from a distance than.
Ok, I guess everyone can just look at it from a distance than.
furystorm
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Disney crammed me into a tiny submarine!
Disney crammed me into a tiny submarine!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
In theAmazing Cross-Sections they managed to fit the interiors into the Falcon.
In theAmazing Cross-Sections they managed to fit the interiors into the Falcon.
Kamandi
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
There was an article that gets very nerdy and an al about measuring out the Falcon and trying to make things fit. You can still read it on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20030402111431/https://www.synicon.com.au/sw/mf/falcon.htm
Bottom line: The only way to make the sets you saw in the film fit is to nearly double the exterior size, and then other things don't line up the way they did in the film (exterior ramp is huge, tunnel to the cockpit, the door to the turret ladder, etc...)
Can it be made to fit? Yes. But not without changing things.
There was an article that gets very nerdy and an al about measuring out the Falcon and trying to make things fit. You can still read it on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20030402111431/https://www.synicon.com.au/sw/mf/falcon.htm
Bottom line: The only way to make the sets you saw in the film fit is to nearly double the exterior size, and then other things don't line up the way they did in the film (exterior ramp is huge, tunnel to the cockpit, the door to the turret ladder, etc...)
Can it be made to fit? Yes. But not without changing things.
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
It's a really stupid idea, digital can give a much clearer picture but the main thing is it allows them to do things you can't do with film--like being able to quickly review stuff they've just shot, or being able to immediately send footage to be edited or for FX work. Not to mention it's much cheaper now.
It's a really stupid idea, digital can give a much clearer picture but the main thing is it allows them to do things you can't do with film--like being able to quickly review stuff they've just shot, or being able to immediately send footage to be edited or for FX work. Not to mention it's much cheaper now.
VintijDroidGutzz
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
They're obviously trying to recapture the spirit of what is so great about the old films - like real sets & practical effects. Sure - it takes more time & effort, but the end result has a ton more heart - & ART may I add, to the process.
It's a similar principle when recording music; digital as opposed to the old school analogue way. There are pros & cons to both, but the warmth & roundness you get from analogue is hard to recapture authentically using newer methods.
It's as plain as the nose on your face when you compare both trilogies. The PT looks like a ****ing video game half the time.
They're obviously trying to recapture the spirit of what is so great about the old films - like real sets & practical effects. Sure - it takes more time & effort, but the end result has a ton more heart - & ART may I add, to the process.
It's a similar principle when recording music; digital as opposed to the old school analogue way. There are pros & cons to both, but the warmth & roundness you get from analogue is hard to recapture authentically using newer methods.
It's as plain as the nose on your face when you compare both trilogies. The PT looks like a ****ing video game half the time.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Like the extreme case of fitting the Jupiter 2 interiors into the ship's
exterior- now that is a feat!!!!
Like the extreme case of fitting the Jupiter 2 interiors into the ship's
exterior- now that is a feat!!!!
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
And not even an interactive one
It's as plain as the nose on your face when you compare both trilogies. The PT looks like a ****ing video game half the time.
And not even an interactive one
Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
The CG had nothing to do with the quality of the filmed footage. The advantages of digital would allow them more time to get things right and spend money on the areas that count. When you have more control over things then you can do what you really want to. Of course that was something that helped on the OT, (it was better because you didn't get Lucas' original vision) but with a good director it wouldn't be the same way.
They're obviously trying to recapture the spirit of what is so great about the old films - like real sets & practical effects. Sure - it takes more time & effort, but the end result has a ton more heart - & ART may I add, to the process.
It's a similar principle when recording music; digital as opposed to the old school analogue way. There are pros & cons to both, but the warmth & roundness you get from analogue is hard to recapture authentically using newer methods.
It's as plain as the nose on your face when you compare both trilogies. The PT looks like a ****ing video game half the time.
The CG had nothing to do with the quality of the filmed footage. The advantages of digital would allow them more time to get things right and spend money on the areas that count. When you have more control over things then you can do what you really want to. Of course that was something that helped on the OT, (it was better because you didn't get Lucas' original vision) but with a good director it wouldn't be the same way.
ProgMatinee
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
I would say that the more tendancy a director has to "clean stuff up" in post production would lead towards too much acceptance of poor shot footage. They focus on too much on the alterations and forget about getting good film.
I would say that the more tendancy a director has to "clean stuff up" in post production would lead towards too much acceptance of poor shot footage. They focus on too much on the alterations and forget about getting good film.
Python
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread
Are these going to be 3D?
I hope 3D dies soon....
Are these going to be 3D?
I hope 3D dies soon....
