Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Now this is podracing! > Waaah, Obi-Wan is holding me back

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Eh, Jar Jar is in the other two too. He even looks at the audience in AOTC, just short of a wink like, "yeah, I'm still here *****es, what about it".

He is what he is. Hating on Jar Jar is part of the appeal of TPM so hesa not so bomb-bad. I'll take him over wooden acting, crappy "love" stories or the bastardization of my favorite Original Trilogy elements. The only good thing about the other two is Palpatine and his overacting.

For me, from fav to least is RotS, TPM and then AotC. Darth Maul and Qui Gon (though his death was stupid), the actual sets and props and admittedly the hype push it above AotC. RotS for the set-up alone, as well as the battles keep it the highest and most memorable. AotC was just a disaster, from Obi's phony beard to Anakin's atrocious acting, to the sprite-based Nintendo scene. The Clones and Jedi vs. the cockroaches and droids at the end couldn't even really save it.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Full agreement.

Out of the Prequels, I like The Phantom Menace the best. It had Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon, Darth Maul (who was better than Dooku or Grievous), a better Obi-Wan, no Hayden Christensen and nothing that ****s on the originals (except for the midichlorian force and C-3PO bull ****). It also has a nice balance of real shooting locations, practical and special effects that the other two don't utilize nearly as much. It had the best lightsaber duel and soundtrack too. The movie was like a "return to Star Wars" after almost two decades of nothing. It's not great but atleast it has those factors (plus nostalgia) and isn't Clones or ROTS.

the 3P0 bit isn't as bad and as glaring in the OT ( why dosn't vader recognise the droid he built?!) if we look at it from the perspective that he didn't so much "build" 3P0, as he did find a busted up droid and repair it from spare parts he stole out of watto's junkyard, and other piles of trash.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

the 3P0 bit isn't as bad and as glaring in the OT ( why dosn't vader recognise the droid he built?!) if we look at it from the perspective that he didn't so much "build" 3P0, as he did find a busted up droid and repair it from spare parts he stole out of watto's junkyard, and other piles of trash.

Well who's to say Vader didn't recognize him? There really wasn't any purpose for him to bring it up or say anything about 3PO. Imagine a scene right before he freezes Han and he leans over to Boba and says "Hey man, see that droid on the wookies back right there? I built him...yeah that's right.... I got skills." LOL...Also we all know in that universe there were a lot of droids that looked similar to 3PO so Vader might not have given it a thought.


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[furystorm]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Anakin ceased to exist, and was replaced by Darth Vader, so...

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Well who's to say Vader didn't recognize him? There really wasn't any purpose for him to bring it up or say anything about 3PO. Imagine a scene right before he freezes Han and he leans over to Boba and says "Hey man, see that droid on the wookies back right there? I built him...yeah that's right.... I got skills." LOL...Also we all know in that universe there were a lot of droids that looked similar to 3PO so Vader might not have given it a thought.


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There IS one moment of EU related to it.

from one of the comics, I forget which.

Basicly, after Han, leia, and chewie are arressted on cloud city, vader is having their room searched, and fids the wrecked remains of 3P0, and orders it destroyed.
Shortly after, he has second thoughts, and has it sent to their cell. his reasoning was something allong the lines of

" Give it to the wookie, it will keep him occupied and keep him from trying to escape" .

and that was it.

Personaly, I'm fine with either. his complete not even noticing 3P0 in the OT kinda works for me, as it shows how little he cares for who and what he once was, IF you're looking for connections at all.

Alot of the time it's easier to simply not overanalize.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

There IS one moment of EU related to it.

from one of the comics, I forget which.

Basicly, after Han, leia, and chewie are arressted on cloud city, vader is having their room searched, and fids the wrecked remains of 3P0, and orders it destroyed.
Shortly after, he has second thoughts, and has it sent to their cell. his reasoning was something allong the lines of

" Give it to the wookie, it will keep him occupied and keep him from trying to escape" .

and that was it.

Personaly, I'm fine with either. his complete not even noticing 3P0 in the OT kinda works for me, as it shows how little he cares for who and what he once was, IF you're looking for connections at all.

Alot of the time it's easier to simply not overanalize.

Exactly...especially since the connection between 3PO and Vader was not there originally and Lucas made it up later.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

If Episode VII is merely as good as TPM was, then we will grow old and gray and look back on TPM with more fondness and warm fuzzy feelings because at least there was a huge hype machine that gives us all nostalgic memories. It had been so much longer of a wait for a new Star Wars movie. Episode VII is being made at a time when a lot of fans are tired and done with SW due to the quality of the prequels, countless amounts of merchandise being thrown at us with no end in sight, mediocre cartoons about the prequel era, and all kinds of EU media that ranges from awful to excellent. But to find the good, we trudge through the bad....

Pretty much.. well said.

Full agreement.

Out of the Prequels, I like The Phantom Menace the best. It had Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon, Darth Maul (who was better than Dooku or Grievous), a better Obi-Wan, no Hayden Christensen and nothing that ****s on the originals (except for the midichlorian force and C-3PO bull ****). It also has a nice balance of real shooting locations, practical and special effects that the other two don't utilize nearly as much. It had the best lightsaber duel and soundtrack too. The movie was like a "return to Star Wars" after almost two decades of nothing. It's not great but atleast it has those factors (plus nostalgia) and isn't Clones or ROTS.

Yeah, agreed.

I've said it before in here - TPM has always been my fave of the PT. I just selectively ignore the rubbish bits, & it's all good.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Full agreement.

Out of the Prequels, I like The Phantom Menace the best. It had Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon, Darth Maul (who was better than Dooku or Grievous), a better Obi-Wan, no Hayden Christensen and nothing that ****s on the originals (except for the midichlorian force and C-3PO bull ****). It also has a nice balance of real shooting locations, practical and special effects that the other two don't utilize nearly as much. It had the best lightsaber duel and soundtrack too. The movie was like a "return to Star Wars" after almost two decades of nothing. It's not great but atleast it has those factors (plus nostalgia) and isn't Clones or ROTS.

Full agreement.

I don't like TPM so much that I include it in my personal SW canon but its the best of a bad bunch. It's probably the only PT film I could watch now.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Yeah. As for my "Star Wars canon", Vader certainly didn't build 3PO, live on Tatooine or have "midichlorians" flowing through his blood. The Chosen one stuff is crap too. Stormtroopers and Boba Fett aren't clones and Anakin didn't go AWOL because Palps promised him immortality for his beloved "Padmeh".

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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There really is a lot of good stuff in TPM - you just have to FF a little as you go.

As far AOTC goes - FF is the button of choice for that one.

ROTS?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I've watched it enough now. I almost lost the will to live at one point.

 

[greygoose]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

In ten years time the new sequel trilogy will have the same hate as the prequel trilogy I'd imagine.

 

[Magpie 7]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

RotS shows Obi-Wan and Anakin's friendship unlike AotC, the Emperor is at his evil best with a superb performance by Ian McDiamid and finally we see why Anakin wears the suit. Qui-Gon is the best thing about TPM but there are many disappointing elements such as SLJ's limited screen time and the poorly done Palpatine's secret Sith Lord story, come on who didn't guess who it was? AotC is just horrendous, it doesn't need any explanation, it would take to long!

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

There really is a lot of good stuff in TPM - you just have to FF a little as you go.

As far AOTC goes - FF is the button of choice for that one.

ROTS?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I've watched it enough now. I almost lost the will to live at one point.

Good summing up.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

RotS shows Obi-Wan and Anakin's friendship unlike AotC, the Emperor is at his evil best with a superb performance by Ian McDiamid and finally we see why Anakin wears the suit. Qui-Gon is the best thing about TPM but there are many disappointing elements such as SLJ's limited screen time and the poorly done Palpatine's secret Sith Lord story, come on who didn't guess who it was? AotC is just horrendous, it doesn't need any explanation, it would take to long!

SLJ was terrible in these films. I don't think extra screen-time for him would have been of any benefit.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

In ten years time the new sequel trilogy will have the same hate as the prequel trilogy I'd imagine.

I Fully Expect the OT purist crowd to hate the NT as much as the PT.

to the OT purist crowd, i just have 4 words.

Star Wars Holiday Special

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I haven't seen that. Was that originally supposed to be canon?

 

[greygoose]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I Fully Expect the OT purist crowd to hate the NT as much as the PT.

to the OT purist crowd, i just have 4 words.

Star Wars Holiday Special

Yep, if they destroy Luke, Leia & Han's legacy in Episode VII then everything else after will still be hated regardless.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

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I Fully Expect the OT purist crowd to hate the NT as much as the PT.

Nah - you're reaching.

Competant, credible director, the big three on board to kick things off (all but trumpeted), revisiting classic film making methods, old names back on the production - there's more win than lose already without seeing a single scene.

SWHS?

The cartoon in that was sensational.

 

[joebizz34]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I Fully Expect the OT purist crowd to hate the NT as much as the PT.

to the OT purist crowd, i just have 4 words.

Star Wars Holiday Special

Even when I saw that on TV as a kid I knew I was watching crap. To Lucas' s credit he wasn't responsible for that one and even he chose to ignore it all these years later.


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