Star Wars: The Force Awakens (12/18/15)

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'm over seeing the trilogies "rhyme" with each other. I don't need to see Hamill casually walking around with a paunch and a beard and just being Old Ben all over again while new people blow stuff up. Of course I realize that that is probably EXACTLY the way they'll go but I'd LOVE for them to truly shock us, a la The Empire Strikes Back by Luke having an apprentice, and the apprentice dies forcing him to take up the mantle of primary hero yet again. That'd be amazing. If he really did start out chubby and we're all "oh here we go again," and then its just him and he gets lean and mean again. And for anyone who thinks that idea is just stupid don't worry, I'm sure you'll get the "by the numbers" trilogy that you want to see again.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

You know something that *might* be cool is if they did like a Cast Away or Spider-Man 1 and filmed part of the movie with Luke being reintroduced to conflict as a fattened peace time Jedi Master and then when the **** hits the fan and his fellow knights that are in their prime are decimated he goes back to Dagobah by himself and starts training like Rocky in Russia. Then break filming for six months so that Hamill can KICK *** and actually get in great shape again, then resume filming. The completed film can show him all pudgy and starting to train on Dagobah, then cut away to other stuff, cut back to an exterior of Dagobah as we see his X-Wing leaving the system, then it lands in the midst of bad guys. The cockpit raises and he emerges all lean and mean and just starts going to town on everyone.

whatis this obsession with going back to dagobah? why would he need to go there to train, other than to just go " HEY! NOSTALGIA***S! LOOK! YODAPLANET! THISMEANS WE'RE COOL, RIGHT?! GIVE US MONIES!"
He could train anywhere.. and by this point, he'd have an academy, i would expect, with more than justa handfull. if anywhere, he'd return to the temple.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'm over seeing the trilogies "rhyme" with each other. I don't need to see Hamill casually walking around with a paunch and a beard and just being Old Ben all over again while new people blow stuff up. Of course I realize that that is probably EXACTLY the way they'll go but I'd LOVE for them to truly shock us, a la The Empire Strikes Back by Luke having an apprentice, and the apprentice dies forcing him to take up the mantle of primary hero yet again. That'd be amazing. If he really did start out chubby and we're all "oh here we go again," and then its just him and he gets lean and mean again. And for anyone who thinks that idea is just stupid don't worry, I'm sure you'll get the "by the numbers" trilogy that you want to see again.

like this?

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

whatis this obsession with going back to dagobah? why would he need to go there to train, other than to just go " HEY! NOSTALGIA***S! LOOK! YODAPLANET! THISMEANS WE'RE COOL, RIGHT?! GIVE US MONIES!"
He could train anywhere.. and by this point, he'd have an academy, i would expect, with more than justa handfull. if anywhere, he'd return to the temple.

Because he'd be returning to his "roots" and it would actually make perfect sense for him to go that route. Dagobah was the one place that kicked his *** and he'd know it. A posh Jedi temple when the chips were down? Please....keep that crap in the PT where it belongs.

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Dagobah didn't kick his ***, yoda did. Dagobah was what it was, becuase it's where Yoda was hiding. yoda's dead, it wouldn't be the same.

If he wanted to go somewhere dangerous tto brush up on his skills, he could go to the undercity levels of corsucant and be a "jedi hobo" for a while. at the very least , we'd be getting something new.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Dagobah didn't kick his ***, yoda did.

The hell it didn't. It swallowed his freaking ship! He was done. Stranded forever. Unless someone more powerful helped him out. And that wasn't Yoda in the cave with him. It was the Dark Side of the Force, again, kicking his ***. He couldn't even keep a few rocks afloat for very long. It would have a real psychological effect on him as a training environment and a perfect place for him to "conquer" in order to get back in the game against greater foes.

 

[screamingmetal]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I'm over seeing the trilogies "rhyme" with each other. I don't need to see Hamill casually walking around with a paunch and a beard and just being Old Ben all over again while new people blow stuff up. Of course I realize that that is probably EXACTLY the way they'll go but I'd LOVE for them to truly shock us, a la The Empire Strikes Back by Luke having an apprentice, and the apprentice dies forcing him to take up the mantle of primary hero yet again. That'd be amazing. If he really did start out chubby and we're all "oh here we go again," and then its just him and he gets lean and mean again. And for anyone who thinks that idea is just stupid don't worry, I'm sure you'll get the "by the numbers" trilogy that you want to see again.

I wouldn't mind a twist. I also wouldn't mind seeing a chubby Hamill kick @ss like Sammo Hung.

 

[OSCORP]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The hell it didn't. It swallowed his freaking ship! He was done. Stranded forever. Unless someone more powerful helped him out. And that wasn't Yoda in the cave with him. It was the Dark Side of the Force, again, kicking his ***. He couldn't even keep a few rocks afloat for very long. It would have a real psychological effect on him as a training environment and a perfect place for him to "conquer" in order to get back in the game against greater foes.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

The hell it didn't. It swallowed his freaking ship! He was done. Stranded forever. Unless someone more powerful helped him out. And that wasn't Yoda in the cave with him. It was the Dark Side of the Force, again, kicking his ***. He couldn't even keep a few rocks afloat for very long. It would have a real psychological effect on him as a training environment and a perfect place for him to "conquer" in order to get back in the game against greater foes.

I could easily make the same argument for Tattooine.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

I could easily make the same argument for Tattooine.

In ANH maybe. But by Jedi he owned Tatooine. The world's greatest challenges were a cakewalk for him. He never went back and "conquered" Dagobah.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

whatis this obsession with going back to dagobah? why would he need to go there to train, other than to just go " HEY! NOSTALGIA***S! LOOK! YODAPLANET! THISMEANS WE'RE COOL, RIGHT?! GIVE US MONIES!"
He could train anywhere.. and by this point, he'd have an academy, i would expect, with more than justa handfull. if anywhere, he'd return to the temple.

Like it or hate it, the nostalgia train is driving this franchise. Look no further than the fact that all the old bastards are being brought back on here. Might as well go balls out with it.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Return to Hoth or don't bother with this crap.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

In ANH maybe. But by Jedi he owned Tatooine. The world's greatest challenges were a cakewalk for him. He never went back and "conquered" Dagobah.

He owned Jabba, not Tattooine. That's like me arguing he conquered Dagobah in Jedi given he went back much different than he'd left the first time, saw Yoda die, confronted Ben about the lie of Anakin and learned of Leia, then left all ties cut to the planet.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

He owned Jabba, not Tattooine. That's like me arguing he conquered Dagobah in Jedi given he went back much different than he'd left the first time, saw Yoda die, confronted Ben about the lie of Anakin and learned of Leia, then left all ties cut to the planet.

Not remotely the same thing. Luke didn't go to Tattooine and have a little chat with a couple people and leave. He used his Jedi skills to destroy the planet's most fearsome inhabitants and turned the most horrifying creature on possibly any planet into his own personal meat grinder. With regard to Dagobah he simply fulfilled his promise to return. He certainly didn't get the best of it.

 

[thenammagazine]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Not remotely the same thing. Luke didn't go to Tattooine and have a little chat with a couple people and leave. He used his Jedi skills to destroy the planet's most fearsome inhabitants and turned the most horrifying creature on possibly any planet into his own personal meat grinder. With regard to Dagobah he simply fulfilled his promise to return. He certainly didn't get the best of it.

Given what Obi Wan, a long-term resident of Tattooine said in Star Wars about Mos Eisley, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." I don't think Luke conquered Tattooine just by killing Jabba and his thugs, none of which were in Mos Eisley.

 

[Niltusk]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

You kill one person with power and you're a planet conqueror?

 

[TURINS~BANE]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

Yes they should show Luke's full power not till the very end.

 

[K07]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread





Have you guys ever seen these? I found them by accident last night. I think they're neat although it feels incomplete without Anakin's turn to the Darkside. But it's explained in the description below that the guy making these was recutting ANH to be a silent film and this is just one small part of that story. Ben doesn't reveal Anakin's true fate at that moment so it makes sense that the flashbacks wouldn't spoil anything.

This looks like it'd be a fun project for anyone to make their own interpretation of the PT. If I had the know how, I'd take ideas I had and make my own version of the PT to watch and enjoy. What would I need? A DVD burner, copies of the PT, the soundtracks, and Windows Movie Maker?

 

[lerath666]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

In ANH maybe. But by Jedi he owned Tatooine. The world's greatest challenges were a cakewalk for him. He never went back and "conquered" Dagobah.

Becuase by the time he left, and returned in ROTJ, he HAD conqured it. all that left was that he had to confront Vader. Confronting, and defeating the REAL vader trumps an illusion in a cave that may, or may not have been yoda messing with his mind.

 

[Indiana]

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (12/18/15) Discussion Thread

In the trailer for the lost episodes of the Clone Wars, Qui-Gon's spirit tells Yoda to go to Dagobah for answers. I got the implication that Dagobah is special in the force. Making it more significant than just a random planet Yoda chose to exile himself to. Just my two cents on the matter.