Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2)

[crows]

There is now little doubt of the main reason Solo flopped.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Yeah, but come on - look at that "journalist"'s recent article titles:


Star Wars has a white male fandom problem

An ode to L3-37, the feminist droid hero of Solo

Star Wars films broken down by women's speaking roles is revealing and depressing

Victoria Mahoney is great news for Star Wars, but female directors deserve more

Yeah there’s so much wrong in that article that I wouldn’t put any stock into it. In just the first 2 paragraphs -

She complains people are always talking about ‘how Rey and Jyn are Mary Sues’

Ain’t no one ever called jyn a Mary Sue, because she’s not!

She also talks about how Ridley was harassed - but the example provided was related to a pro gun control event she went to and some guy on Twitter said “Just shut up, Ridley, and make another Star Wars movie.”

Further Daisy went on record saying that the reason she left Twitter was due to the gun control backlash combined with people bugging her about her ‘bad skin’ and how ‘she didn’t sign up for that.’ Yes, I’m sure white males were the ones making fun of her skin Sounds like the female hecklers who are insecure and insult other female celebrities photos on twitter.

She also talks about Wendig being harassed but leaves out the part about Wendig making comments on white male fans being racist, sexist etc(just like he’s doing ) etc - they’re just set on driving this narrative even though I know so many non-white folks who didn’t like the movie (myself included)

With that much wrong off the bat you know I’m not going to read the rest. ‘Journalist’ didn’t do much journalism - its basically an angry blog

Lmao @ ‘We’re looking at short, short people,’ and the guys reaction

What happened to the formal wear?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Women killed Star Wars, not the men.






(I can't wait for crows to see that)

 

[crows]

you see,..... this could have been you jye OR khev... but you chose to support star wars instead

maybe kennedy can invite you to her retirement party

 

[Wor-Gar]

I did that in the Summer of Star Wars and I got squat from George. (it was only 30 times though - movies were $2.50)

 

[crows]

I did that in the Summer of Star Wars and I got squat from George. (it was only 30 times though - movie was $2.50)

theres your problem

 

[Wor-Gar]

shoulda went more, shoulda went more... more! MOAR!

If I didn't have to take 3 buses and walk 10 miles in the snow, up hill, both ways, I would have.

 

[TaliBane]

Six months ago this coming week... TLJ changed the entire landscape of SW.

Who in early December 2017 could have foreseen where SW as a brand and franchise would be... just six months later?

From the hotly anticipated follow-up to the highest grossing film of all time, a sequel with Luke as a major character, fans and global media 110% hyped.... to six months later fandom a flaming toxic battleground of sexism/ageism/racism, the future of the whole franchise being openly questioned, KK being shown the door, and the first Star Wars film to exceed a $250m budget possibly earning less than $200m domestic.

 

[e30ernest]

I still wonder if this played a substantial role in the flop of Solo. We have to consider the relatively high multiplier of this film (it was even higher than IW) so if audiences really hated it, then it shouldn't have had that much of a multiplier.

From Forbes:

The previous low-water mark on this score was Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which earned $620 million domestic from a $220m debut weekend. That film was tagged as a mild disappointment by some folks who either A) didn't like it or B) expected it to get closer to The Force Awakens' $937m gross in December of 2015. While a 2.8x multiplier is huge for most mega-openers, it was a little low for a big December release. But let's not presume that Last Jedi getting to $670m domestic would have quelled the naysayers.

That the universally-liked Infinity War was less leggy than the allegedly divisive Last Jedi means either the fan backlash was overblown or that Last Jedi was saved by the year-end holiday stretch. We'll see how this Star Wars melodrama affects Star Wars 9 in December of 2019. Oh, and Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($937m/$248m = 3.77x) remains the second-leggiest opened-on-a-Friday $100m+ opener of all time behind only Wonder Woman ($413m/$103m). It too used the holiday season to its advantage. But where does that leave the other three films?

Source

 

[Popnfresh98]

I still wonder if this played a substantial role in the flop of Solo. We have to consider the relatively high multiplier of this film (it was even higher than IW) so if audiences really hated it, then it shouldn't have had that much of a multiplier.

From Forbes:



Source

^the problem with just going on multipliers is it doesn’t tell the full story. In IW’s case, everyone was so hyped, so many folks went and watched it opening weekend. It made $630 million on opening weekend alone, without even counting China! And if you count china’s opening weekend in there it’s the closest a movie got to a billion right off the bat. (And even without broke the records) Of course the multiplier has to drop after such an opening. The most telling thing is IW still has a good reputation, meaning most people enjoyed it - contrast to the divisive TLJ.

Unfortunately that particular guy (and Forbes at large except the one article where facts were used) is also part of the media bias - look at his articles when Solo opened low and the way he reported the numbers. They were full on defensive pieces with the numbers given to you after he had softened the blow with a lead up to why it’s ok.

Some examples:

















That’s only a small sampling, there’s more where they came from. And of course most of them fit into the larger media campaign on why anything that happens with Nu-SW ‘is a good thing’

 

[Brett Banner]

Six months ago this coming week... TLJ changed the entire landscape of SW.

Who in early December 2017 could have foreseen where SW as a brand and franchise would be... just six months later?

From the hotly anticipated follow-up to the highest grossing film of all time, a sequel with Luke as a major character, fans and global media 110% hyped.... to six months later fandom a flaming toxic battleground of sexism/ageism/racism, the future of the whole franchise being openly questioned, KK being shown the door, and the first Star Wars film to exceed a $250m budget possibly earning less than $200m domestic.

I have to say, I was not terribly excited for TLJ from the trailers. I remember back when Rian Johnson got announced as the writer/director for Ep. 8 and (originally to be) the writer for Ep. 9, and just being totally fascinated by the comments for that particular article on Birth.Movies.Death. Everyone was SO happy that he was being put in charge and that he would take the movies in a much more interesting and deep direction than JJ had set up. The entire time I was reading these comments I was just like, “Yeah I saw Looper and thought it was at best an OK movie, I don’t get why everyone is so excited about Rian Johnson. But it seems like everyone commenting are big movie buff nerds so I guess I just don’t know his other film work well enough.” They were also bemoaning the fact that Colin Trevorrow would be doing Ep. 9, but at least Rian Johnson would be writing so it would all be OK.

In hindsight, it’s just hilarious to think of all those people’s excitement and confidence.

Really, we all should have been suspicious when the title was revealed and everyone was theorizing what it would mean. Spoiler: it meant nothing. It was just the first step of Rian Johnson’s seemingly obsessive need to try and subvert expectations. Everyone should have known that they would never get rid of the concept of the Jedi.


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[Wor-Gar]

Is anyone excited by the prospect of Rian Johnson's next movie, whatever it is?

Something tells me it will be a small budgeted movie. He'll say he wants a more personal story with more control than corporate movies give him.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Six months ago this coming week... TLJ changed the entire landscape of SW.

Who in early December 2017 could have foreseen where SW as a brand and franchise would be... just six months later?

 

[e30ernest]

^the problem with just going on multipliers is it doesn’t tell the full story. In IW’s case, everyone was so hyped, so many folks went and watched it opening weekend. It made $630 million on opening weekend alone, without even counting China! And if you count china’s opening weekend in there it’s the closest a movie got to a billion right off the bat. (And even without broke the records) Of course the multiplier has to drop after such an opening. The most telling thing is IW still has a good reputation, meaning most people enjoyed it - contrast to the divisive TLJ.

Oh I'm not denying that. I agree IW was really front-loaded due to the hype. What I'm wondering about is, if TLJ was truly as hated as some hardcore fans say it is, why did it have a decent multiplier? It has a 2.8 multiplier vs the 1.9 multiplier of BvS (which was heavily hyped like IW, and undeniably panned in the end).

I'm not saying that's the only stat that matters, but it's also a stat that needs explaining... Was it the holiday as the article stated?

As for that guy's other articles, I'm not that interested in his opinion or fluff pieces. I'm more interested in the numbers.

The numbers to me just point out that there was simply little interest towards Solo to start with. It was a movie destined to flop irregardless of how good/bad TLJ was unless Solo itself was exceptionally good. Then again, being exceptionally good doesn't mean it's going to succeed either (BR2 comes into mind based on the convo on the other thread).

The current trilogy is also tracking towards a similar pattern. The original trilogy had Ep IV getting the highest (adjusted inflation), ESB got the lowest, and ROTJ was in the middle. On the prequels, EP1 got the highest with AOTC coming in lowest and ROTS staying in between.

If Ep IX does indeed fail like Solo, then I will definitely conceded that Ep VIII was bad enough to irk not only the fans but the general audience. But so far, TLJ's box office numbers are still pretty solid considering the pattern set by the past SW films.

Time will tell I think.

I don't think replacing Kennedy now will "save" the franchise in time for Ep IX. Nobody outside hardcore fans know who Kennedy is, neither do they care who Kennedy is. If the brand was truly damaged by TLJ, it doesn't matter who's at the top of the helm. It'll be like DCEU all over again (MoS - BvS - JL).

 

[crows]

Is anyone excited by the prospect of Rian Johnson's next movie, whatever it is?

Something tells me it will be a small budgeted movie. He'll say he wants a more personal story with more control than corporate movies give him.

he grosses me out so much i really dont think i can watch anything else he did
Not because of what he did with the Last jedi but because of his attitude. Knowing in the back of my mind that he makes movies where he wants to piss off 50% of the audience.
I just cant enjoy a movie like that.... just picturing his smug creepy face smiling behind the camera as he works to piss me off...... I just cant... i just cannot take that out of my head....

he would have to make something critically acclaimed and then maybe i watch it at home... not in theaters but at home.
and i would still wanna slap him for being so smug all the time

 

[Wor-Gar]

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[crows]

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[Wor-Gar]

Needs milk squirting on his face while he giggles.

 

[e30ernest]

Oh my...

 

[crows]

Needs milk squirting on his face while he giggles.

jye.... jye please