Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2)

[Khev]

And even though the Hobbit movies weren't beloved as a whole I do believe that most considered DoS to be the low point with BotFA being a huge improvement and causing the trilogy to end on a high note.

 

[xipotec]

The dark knight worse than rises? ?? ? ??



Okay thanks.
Friday the 13th 3 is better than 2 as well.

Saw 3 was much better than 2 for sure.

Some people argue that men in black 3 is better than 2

Lord of the rings 3 was better than 2

Toy story 3 better than 2

Iron man 3 better than 2

Missiin impossible 3 better than 2


I guess disney star wars can join these trolilogies as well

Toy Story 3 is better than 2?

Nope....

Your reached too far on that one, but your 90% cause all the other are true.


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[crows]

Toy Story 3 is better than 2?

Nope....

Your reached too far on that one, but your 90% cause all the other are true.


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

Most people consider 3 better than 2. I remember the reviews were pointing that out. It got better reviews too. Most people were happier with it. I recall even people here saying it so.
I can pm you the reviews if you want.

 

[ironwez20]

The dark knight worse than rises? ?? ? ??



Okay thanks.
Friday the 13th 3 is better than 2 as well.

Saw 3 was much better than 2 for sure.

Some people argue that men in black 3 is better than 2

Lord of the rings 3 was better than 2

Toy story 3 better than 2

Iron man 3 better than 2

Missiin impossible 3 better than 2


I guess disney star wars can join these trolilogies as well

Iron man 3 is automatically worse than all of them for what they did to the mandarin

 

[crows]

Iron man 2 is the worst marvel movie....

 

[Wor-Gar]

Iron man 2 is the worst marvel movie....

I think 3 is worse.

Kid. Cowboy Stark. Killian/Riddler. Armored Potts. Joke Mandarin. Exploding people.

 

[cerealkeller]

Weird, not everybody thinks it needs an overhaul. Like maybe YOU do, but there are just as many people (like myself) that are completely happy with the way the story is going and cannot wait to see the last chapter in this trilogy.

Not targeting anyone in particular, it's just this is a small fraction of fans in these forums and the majority are older fans who do not want the old cast gone. I get that, but you have to know there are many fans who are younger and do not hold Luke, Han and Leia in the same regard.

I am in the portion of older fans who are completely happy with the direction TLJ set Star Wars on. I do hope Episode 9 is the last of the saga films for a long time (like 10 years at least) They can just make the side movies for a long time, but space it to every 2 years.

I think Episode 9 will do just fine. Part of Solo's problem (again my opinion) is the younger audience does not really care for a movie about a young Han Solo. I cannot even grasp this concept, but working with middle school kids, the SW fans I asked mostly didn't care or even know about it. They just wondered when the next one with "Rey and Kylo Ren" was coming out.


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[crows]

Actually i would be very happy if they dont change anything and continued everything rian set up
It would be a lot more fun if they continue tge story with rey being a nobody and kylo being the only villain. I hope they do cgi leia. I hope luke doesnt come back.

It would be entertainment for months if they didnt learn from this. Would be very funny to see the meltdown.
Kinda hope that happens

 

[DarkChocobi]

Weird, not everybody thinks it needs an overhaul. Like maybe YOU do, but there are just as many people (like myself) that are completely happy with the way the story is going and cannot wait to see the last chapter in this trilogy.

Not targeting anyone in particular, it's just this is a small fraction of fans in these forums and the majority are older fans who do not want the old cast gone. I get that, but you have to know there are many fans who are younger and do not hold Luke, Han and Leia in the same regard.

I am in the portion of older fans who are completely happy with the direction TLJ set Star Wars on. I do hope Episode 9 is the last of the saga films for a long time (like 10 years at least) They can just make the side movies for a long time, but space it to every 2 years.

I think Episode 9 will do just fine. Part of Solo's problem (again my opinion) is the younger audience does not really care for a movie about a young Han Solo. I cannot even grasp this concept, but working with middle school kids, the SW fans I asked mostly didn't care or even know about it. They just wondered when the next one with "Rey and Kylo Ren" was coming out.


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Just because you enjoy the movie, does not mean Ep9 going to be "fine"

 

[ironwez20]

Weird, not everybody thinks it needs an overhaul. Like maybe YOU do, but there are just as many people (like myself) that are completely happy with the way the story is going and cannot wait to see the last chapter in this trilogy.

Not targeting anyone in particular, it's just this is a small fraction of fans in these forums and the majority are older fans who do not want the old cast gone. I get that, but you have to know there are many fans who are younger and do not hold Luke, Han and Leia in the same regard.

I am in the portion of older fans who are completely happy with the direction TLJ set Star Wars on. I do hope Episode 9 is the last of the saga films for a long time (like 10 years at least) They can just make the side movies for a long time, but space it to every 2 years.

I think Episode 9 will do just fine. Part of Solo's problem (again my opinion) is the younger audience does not really care for a movie about a young Han Solo. I cannot even grasp this concept, but working with middle school kids, the SW fans I asked mostly didn't care or even know about it. They just wondered when the next one with "Rey and Kylo Ren" was coming out.


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But see you guys are in the minority. no offense. The majority hates this movie and no it's not blowing it out of proportion. Kids don't like these new characters either. No one likes them at all. Don't see any kids liking rey or finn or buying there merch. So they need to change if they don't want another bomb on there hands. Sorry but if they continue on this path then star wars will bomb hard. A huge chunk of the fanbase is pretty much gone. they aren't going to cater to a small group of people.
Solo should have made money . its star wars and people love han solo, kids would of loved it but many people are fatigued and tired. Nothing about star wars is exciting anymore.

 

[e30ernest]

I think 3 is worse.

Kid. Cowboy Stark. Killian/Riddler. Armored Potts. Joke Mandarin. Exploding people.

I agree. Iron Man 3 is worse. Too much humor fell flat, the Iron Man suit was nothing more but a comic-relief tool, Extremis was handled poorly, Stark acting really dumb, Iron Man armors not utilized to their maximum, story was weak, did nothing for world-building. Iron Man 2 got better for me after the first Avengers film because IM2 set things up for this film.

I was actually ok with the fake Mandarin, but having the real Mandarin as Killian (who in the comics was just another scientist) didn't work for me.

Weird, not everybody thinks it needs an overhaul. Like maybe YOU do, but there are just as many people (like myself) that are completely happy with the way the story is going and cannot wait to see the last chapter in this trilogy.

As I said in the other thread, the backlash comes from a vocal minority whose calls have been magnified by the echo chamber that is the internet. I love how Veritasium explains how the internet can magnify ideas that generally don't represent the majority:



I think the majority of TLJ viewers fall just to either side of "it's an ok movie". It's the extremes (apologists and haters) that are getting magnified, and polarizing the community further. Sometimes, they skew people's views as well because they are both very loud, and the internet magnifies the worst from each side's arguments.

 

[cerealkeller]

But see you guys are in the minority. no offense. The majority hates this movie and no it's not blowing it out of proportion. Kids don't like these new characters either. No one likes them at all. Don't see any kids liking rey or finn or buying there merch. So they need to change if they don't want another bomb on there hands. Sorry but if they continue on this path then star wars will bomb hard. A huge chunk of the fanbase is pretty much gone. they aren't going to cater to a small group of people.
Solo should have made money . its star wars and people love han solo, kids would of loved it but many people are fatigued and tired. Nothing about star wars is exciting anymore.

Are you sure it's not just you and several other people who feel compelled to voice their displeasure loudly? Most people I know do not make videos about how much they love the movie, making these videos is a way of ranting. And you are wrong about the kids. Every kid SW fan I had in class 6-8 graders ) love Rey, Kylo and BB8, some really like Poe and Finn even. So I'm not sure what kids you are talking to or if you are just going by toy sales. Because most kids are too busy with their phones and iPads to care about action figures.


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[cerealkeller]

Just because you enjoy the movie, does not mean Ep9 going to be "fine"

And just because you don't like the movie does not mean it will not be "fine". See how easy that is?


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[DarkChocobi]

"Kid SW fan, 6 -8 graders" .....

these people really full of their ***

BTW, Ep9 fate is dommed..with or without Kennedy

 

[ironwez20]

Are you sure it's not just you and several other people who feel compelled to voice their displeasure loudly? Most people I know do not make videos about how much they love the movie, making these videos is a way of ranting. And you are wrong about the kids. Every kid SW fan I had in class 6-8 graders ) love Rey, Kylo and BB8, some really like Poe and Finn even. So I'm not sure what kids you are talking to or if you are just going by toy sales. Because most kids are too busy with their phones and iPads to care about action figures.


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Are you sure its not the SEVERAL people YOU talked to? Cause all i'm seeing from kids and adults is complete distaste. Both online and real life. Don't know who your talking to either. And it's not just action figures. Any kind of ST merch is not being bought. I don't care much cause I'll always love star wars but I don't like this new direction. Also not every one who hates the movie will make a video.

Sometimes when we like something alot we will look at the postives and positives only and shut out all the other negative views from people and surround themselves with people who think the same

 

[e30ernest]

Are you sure it's not just you and several other people who feel compelled to voice their displeasure loudly? Most people I know do not make videos about how much they love the movie, making these videos is a way of ranting. And you are wrong about the kids. Every kid SW fan I had in class 6-8 graders ) love Rey, Kylo and BB8, some really like Poe and Finn even. So I'm not sure what kids you are talking to or if you are just going by toy sales. Because most kids are too busy with their phones and iPads to care about action figures.


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Yeah this was shown to my son's entire school too (ranging from pre-schoolers to senior high) and the general consensus was positive among the kids. Coming out of the theater, they seemed like they had a really good time.

I find the conclusion that "majority hated TLJ" to be absurd because it is still a billion dollar film. It was positive among critics and it got an A Cinemascore. If it was really as universally hated, it wouldn't have had the legs it did, and it wouldn't have broken $1B.

I gave the example earlier in this thread, but BvS was panned critically and audiences. See how far that got....

 

[e30ernest]

Uh, this was RIAN’S GOAL, remember?

Haha fair enough! The guy is a moron for engaging the community like that. Had he just kept quiet, the backlash won't be as bad. He's just giving the haters ammo to use.

 

[Popnfresh98]

As I said in the other thread, the backlash comes from a vocal minority whose calls have been magnified by the echo chamber that is the internet. I love how Veritasium explains how the internet can magnify ideas that generally don't represent the majority:

Yeah, but see, you have no way of knowing that either. You're posting the video of 'why facts don't matter anymore' but then positively saying without any proof that the backlash is a vocal minority etc.

I don't live in the US, but the last general election really gave a good idea of why thinking like this can be wrong - everyone thought Trump was going to lose with people putting predictions for 92% chances of Hillary to win. They called his supporters angry, sexist, racist white male bigots and said they were just a 'loud vocal minority.' (Sound familiar?) We all know what happened. When the initial TLJ backlash happened the media even tried to blame the RT user scores on Russian bots much like in the election, until RT set them straight and said there was no hacking.

Now I'm not saying I can know for sure in this case how big or small the group is, but neither can you, and it's not right to post that video then run in the complete opposite direction with what you said.

 

[e30ernest]

Yeah, but see, you have no way of knowing that either. You're posting the video of 'why facts don't matter anymore' but then positively saying without any proof that the backlash is a vocal minority etc.

I don't live in the US, but the last general election really gave a good idea of why thinking like this can be wrong - everyone thought Trump was going to lose with people putting predictions for 92% chances of Hillary to win. They called his supporters angry, sexist, racist white male bigots and said they were just a 'loud vocal minority.' (Sound familiar?) We all know what happened. When the initial TLJ backlash happened the media even tried to blame the RT user scores on Russian bots much like in the election, until RT set them straight and said there was no hacking.

Now I'm not saying I can know for sure in this case how big or small the group is, but neither can you, and it's not right to post that video then run in the complete opposite direction with what you said.

The box office numbers of TLJ do support the theory that the majority did not hate it though. If it was as hated as some people in the internet say it was, it would have not broken 1 billion. It had a big opening so for it to continue to that height it would have had to have a lot of repeat viewings too.

The people that state the majority hated the film have no numbers to back that up whatsoever.

 

[Popnfresh98]

The box office numbers of TLJ do support the theory that the majority did not hate it though. If it was as hated as some people in the internet say it was, it would have not broken 1 billion. It had a big opening so for it to continue to that height it would have had to have a lot of repeat viewings too.

The people that state the majority hated the film have no numbers to back that up whatsoever.

Actually they do, it had the same drop off in percentage from TFA, that AotC had from TPM. Most considered AotC the most hated film up until TLJ came out. Initial projections for TLJ were set at 1.8bil and it fell 500million short of them.

(They adjusted that number to 1.6 after the first week if I recall correctly, then 1.5, and it only broke 1.3)

Also if people were disappointed with it - they had to see it to be disappointed with it. How many of that 1.3billion worth of viewers hated it? We can't know for sure. Even with Solo failing we can't be certain. Only Episode 9 will tell.