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Debunked? Is it something that needs debunking?

Link please -- or are you too busy making fake A4 "leaks"?

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This is something from the book that was not explained in the movie. (well, there was one throw away line that was easily missed) there is a moat between ground level in the T-rex paddock, and the fence. This exists to discourage the dinos from getting close to the fence.

It is this moat that the car is pushed into. There is a section of the book that deals with Grant trying to figure out how to climb out of this moat with Tim and Lex (the T-rex simply steps over it)


There were only six divisions on the whole island. And each division was separated from the road by a concrete moat.

...

"You know," Ellie said, "some of these dimensions are enormous. Look at this. This concrete moat is thirty feet wide. That's like a military fortification."

...

"Absolutely not," Arnold said. "These are expensive animals, Mr. Gennaro. We take very good care of them. We maintain multiple barriers. First, the moats." He pressed a button, and the board lit up with a network of orange bars. "These moats are never less than twelve feet deep, and water-filled. For bigger animals the moats may be thirty feet deep.



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Wasn’t the question though that it’s somehow magically got flipped over the concrete barrier?


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Hamill seems to have reversed on the subject again, in an interview for a French site:

“It’s not just me. The fans would have wanted Luke’s fate to take another direction. I like being out of my comfort zone, but that was pretty extreme.“

Hamill admits that it was difficult to respect Johnson’s wishes because he feels, in a way, a “feeling of ownership” for Luke. “It’s hard. Fans have had such diverse reactions ranging from Star Wars 8 to being the best Star Wars of all time to ruining my childhood. But understand that I am only the assistant cook. The director creates the recipe, and I just run it as best I can so everyone thinks it’s the best thing you’ve ever had. The current trilogy is about the new generation” he says. “It always reflects an era. The movies say it: we must forget the past, kill it if you must.”

Mark Hamill liked Rogue One but has one advice for Disney: they should slow down on the release schedule for the movies or else they might oversaturate the fans.

And finally Mark Hamill reveals that he still speaks regularly to George Lucas:

“It will never be the same again without him. When I have George on the phone, we are talking about the 7th and the 8th movie. But I will not betray his trust and I will keep what he tells me confidential. I’m sure it was very hard for him to let go of his creation, just as it is for me to be part of something when he is no longer our guide. But you have to roll with the punches and hope for the best. Hope for the best, but expect the worst.“

He’s even more clear than in the past that he didn’t like the direction it took. The last bit about Lucas is also interesting as the fact that they’re not sharing what they talked about can only mean Lucas disapproves. If Lucas liked it we all know they would have him talk it up as much as they could. I remember at the TFA premiere Lucas only said it was ‘very retro’ and Kennedy said he ‘loved it so much.’

Not that I personally wondered what Lucas thought after his ‘white slavers’ comment, which was pretty telling in its extremeness.

And :lol @ that ‘hope for the best but expect the worst’ line.

Waiting for the tell all book once he’s fully retired and got nothing left to lose in the biz...
 
I've seen all that. It's a very sketchy explanation. If you watch the shots, there's no "moat", there's no nearby "land" section, there's nothing but a dam-like open space -- right where Rexy walks out. She doesn't do a lot of side-stepping to down the road to the cars.

The cars are fixed during the entire sequence, so its really easy to see where they screwed up.

I get the excuse, and its about what I came up with back in the day when justifying the confusing logic -- but it only works if you at some point see the drop-off from land from where the T-rex exits -- and there's just nothing there.
 
With what? It’s tiny arms?

Those barriers are made to stop cars from going over it.....all the pushing wouldn’t do it...

But it’s still one of the best scenes in film history.


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I've seen all that. It's a very sketchy explanation. If you watch the shots, there's no "moat", there's no nearby "land" section, there's nothing but a dam-like open space -- right where Rexy walks out. She doesn't do a lot of side-stepping to down the road to the cars.

The cars are fixed during the entire sequence, so its really easy to see where they screwed up.

I get the excuse, and its about what I came up with back in the day when justifying the confusing logic -- but it only works if you at some point see the drop-off from land from where the T-rex exits -- and there's just nothing there.

well the explanation might be a stretch but at least it exists.
 
OT is full of nonsense we all except.....

The first half of ANH is all nonsense after we see ROTJ

Leia escapes and “happens” to give the DS plans to 2 droids who “happen” to land on a planet where they get bought by the Uncle(half brother) of the son of the Big bad guy... who then “happen” to make their way to another hero who “happens” to live nearby and show up just in time to save the day...

It’s all nonsense....

How dare you, sir.
 
OT is full of nonsense we all except.....

The first half of ANH is all nonsense after we see ROTJ

Leia escapes and “happens” to give the DS plans to 2 droids who “happen” to land on a planet where they get bought by the Uncle(half brother) of the son of the Big bad guy... who then “happen” to make their way to another hero who “happens” to live nearby and show up just in time to save the day...

It’s all nonsense....




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No, it’s the will of the force:lecture
 
No, it’s the will of the force:lecture

Well yeah! That’s how I rationalize it....

It get much worst in some aspects if you include the PT. Some things get better thou (like Obi being on Tatooine)

Add RO and it get even better, because then the blockade runner going toward Tatooine also makes sense. Leia going to Obi.



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Thank you. Sorry I think I misspelled your name in a previous post - sometimes it's auto-correct, sometimes brain hiccup. Sometimes it's even both!



If the first comment is referring to Ben's explanation about Anakin/Vader and "a certain point of view"... yes, that is one of the things I did not like about Jedi, it didn't ruin the film but it was a blatant turnaround (Guess Ben Kenobi and Mark Hamill have something in common, lol). It kinda vaguely half-worked in a dishonest sort of way that was trying to soft-pedal things... maybe he figured Luke "can't handle the truth!"

As for the rest, "will of the Force" aside, Leia was on her way to General Kenobi to enlist his aid with the rebellion - so presumably she would know where to find him on Tatooine thanks to her father and was above and preparing to go down to get his help when the Star Destroyer attacked. Right in the film she did give R2 instructions to go down to the planet and find Kenobi to deliver the message to him, thats why he wasn't restricted from getting into the escape pod as Threepio complains about - Leia's orders supersede that. And the whole point of Kenobi being there was to keep an eye on Luke, who lives with his uncle and aunt. So how is it far-fetched?



Thank you - this helps, but yeah I can see it's a bit of a stretch as people have commented, still it's good to know!



Well, some people like it... and I don't hate it... I just found elements of it painful to watch. Like when the lightsaber didn't go off through that Porg (kidding, kidding!)

That the droids got bought by Uncle Owen? After being found wandering a desert? And he happens to pick those two? And Luke happens to be rescued by a wandering Kenobi? And he happens to be Vader’s kid?

That’s a lot of coincidence.

My only point is we accept it and defend it vigorously now, even at times using 2 decades of extra information that was not in the films.

Our tolerance for this kind of coincidence now is gone.

There are ALOT more incidences like this in OT, but we accept it with minimal fight because we love the films. Plus a 5-15 year old mind is much more willing to overlook such issues in favor of the good stuff!





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Good article, thanks for sharing. I agree with the lampooning comments. It would not have gone over well if they had treated Thanos, Iron Man, etc the way that some of the characters in TLJ were treated - Poe’s scene with Hux, etc.

In the very least, Star Wars fans are torn over this movie, China apparently did not like it, and Mark Hamill is ambivalent over it.

I like some of what Johnson did – the stuff Luke says about the Jedi is spot on. Other stuff, not so much. Sometimes it wasn’t even what was said or done, but HOW.

I still look forward to hearing from those Who love this movie, insights as to why. I don’t care about arguing, as I’ve said before I just want to understand.


The odd thing is, for me, there really isn't anything I can say or any way to explain why I enjoyed the movie. It's just a simple as "I liked it". The humor didn't bother me--I thought it was minimal and lightly scattered throughout. The portrayal of Luke didn't bother me--I thought the movie painted Luke as a much more complex, interesting character. The plot holes didn't bother me either. Most movies have them and it's just something I've grown to accept. They certainly weren't apparent to me as I watched the movie. It was only when reading all the criticisms online where they were pointed out. In general, some plot holes stand out to me (like the JP TRex pen thing) and others don't. But either way, if the movie is going along fine and I'm enjoying myself, it won't bother my overall enjoyment of the movie. I've said it before that the first time I watched it (opening weekend on Sunday), I had no idea the movie was being torn apart. I had some inkling that the movie was considered "different", but didn't know that it was so maligned. I watched it, and enjoyed it. TBH nothing stood out to me as being so different, so it did leave me wondering what those critics were hinting at. The only real surprise for me was Kylo killing Snoke. I thought it was a bold move and it made me excited to see how this would play out in IX. But I also didn't think it was THAT unexpected. Unexpected, yes, but not like, loose your sh-- over it. I didn't even mind the Canto Bight scenes which I thought were much shorter than they were describing (critics were alluding to a subplot that dragged the movie pacing down--I guessed Canto Bight was what they were talking about).

I'll also say that I don't blindly like anything and everything. I think the prequels are terrible and embarrassing. I can't get into Rebels or Clone Wars even though I've tried several times. I tolerate them more than the prequels though, and there are some elements that I like. But ultimately it skews a little too young for me. And I find myself liking RO less and less every time I watch it (3 times now). So I'm not someone who'll like anything with SW attached to it.



That the droids got bought by Uncle Owen? After being found wandering a desert? And he happens to pick those two? And Luke happens to be rescued by a wandering Kenobi? And he happens to be Vader’s kid?

That’s a lot of coincidence.

My only point is we accept it and defend it vigorously now, even at times using 2 decades of extra information that was not in the films.

Our tolerance for this kind of coincidence now is gone.

There are ALOT more incidences like this in OT, but we accept it with minimal fight because we love the films. Plus a 5-15 year old mind is much more willing to overlook such issues in favor of the good stuff!

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I think that's a great point. I mentioned it earlier that I just think we've forgotten how to simply enjoy a movie and not feel compelled to tear it apart.
 
That the droids got bought by Uncle Owen? After being found wandering a desert? And he happens to pick those two? And Luke happens to be rescued by a wandering Kenobi? And he happens to be Vader’s kid?

That’s a lot of coincidence.

My only point is we accept it and defend it vigorously now, even at times using 2 decades of extra information that was not in the films.

Our tolerance for this kind of coincidence now is gone.

There are ALOT more incidences like this in OT, but we accept it with minimal fight because we love the films. Plus a 5-15 year old mind is much more willing to overlook such issues in favor of the good stuff!





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That's not all that unbelievable. R-2 was tasked with delivering Liea's message to Obi Wan who lived in the general area. At least there's that. In TFA it was 100% coincidence that BB-8 met Rey. Preposterous really.
 
The odd thing is, for me, there really isn't anything I can say or any way to explain why I enjoyed the movie. It's just a simple as "I liked it". The humor didn't bother me--I thought it was minimal and lightly scattered throughout. The portrayal of Luke didn't bother me--I thought the movie painted Luke as a much more complex, interesting character. The plot holes didn't bother me either. Most movies have them and it's just something I've grown to accept. They certainly weren't apparent to me as I watched the movie. It was only when reading all the criticisms online where they were pointed out. In general, some plot holes stand out to me (like the JP TRex pen thing) and others don't. But either way, if the movie is going along fine and I'm enjoying myself, it won't bother my overall enjoyment of the movie. I've said it before that the first time I watched it (opening weekend on Sunday), I had no idea the movie was being torn apart. I had some inkling that the movie was considered "different", but didn't know that it was so maligned. I watched it, and enjoyed it. TBH nothing stood out to me as being so different, so it did leave me wondering what those critics were hinting at. The only real surprise for me was Kylo killing Snoke. I thought it was a bold move and it made me excited to see how this would play out in IX. But I also didn't think it was THAT unexpected. Unexpected, yes, but not like, loose your sh-- over it. I didn't even mind the Canto Bight scenes which I thought were much shorter than they were describing (critics were alluding to a subplot that dragged the movie pacing down--I guessed Canto Bight was what they were talking about).

I'll also say that I don't blindly like anything and everything. I think the prequels are terrible and embarrassing. I can't get into Rebels or Clone Wars even though I've tried several times. I tolerate them more than the prequels though, and there are some elements that I like. But ultimately it skews a little too young for me. And I find myself liking RO less and less every time I watch it (3 times now). So I'm not someone who'll like anything with SW attached to it.





I think that's a great point. I mentioned it earlier that I just think we've forgotten how to simply enjoy a movie and not feel compelled to tear it apart.

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