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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2)
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jye4ever
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In all seriousnesson your new TLJ rating. It really is a movie that seems a lot worse in retrospect than when you're actually watching it.
This I would agree with... What does that say about the movie I wonder???
I guess it is what I always have said it is.. Its a pretty movie that takes place in the SW universe with characters I love from childhood.. So I can't help but enjoy parts of it when I watch it..
But then I start to think about the film after its over and see it for the crap fest that it is
The Last Jedi continues to use the language of the ‘Light Side’, the ‘Dark Side’, and ‘turning’ from one to the other. Early in the film, after finding him in “the most unfindable place in the galaxy”, Rey tells Luke that the Resistance needs him to return because “Kylo Ren [Vader’s grandson] is strong with the Dark Side of the Force.” Daisy Ridley’s deadpan delivery of this line is perfect insofar as she seems to be reciting from some gnostic textbook about the battle of good versus evil. Luke, however, has grown in wisdom beyond these simplistic categories to know that it is vanity to believe that the Force essentially belongs to the Jedi. He cynically but correctly points out that the Sith, and many others, are aware of, and capable of manipulating, the same Force. In Beyond Good and Evil (1886), Friedrich Nietzsche similarly argued that there is a fundamental ‘will to power’ which simultaneously undergirds and transcends the socially-constructed categories of ‘good’ and ‘evil’, and that the perpetuation of these moral categories serves to fuel the conflict between distinct social forces which are attempting to exert power over each other. In Revenge of the Sith (2005), Emperor Palpatine expressed this same idea by saying that both the Sith and the Jedi crave power and fear to lose it, indicating that this is the real root of their conflict (see Don Adams, ‘Anakin and Achilles: The Scars of Nihilism’ in The Ultimate Star Wars and Philosophy, eds. Eberl and Decker, 2015). Nietzsche’s insight might have served the new trilogy well by providing a novel way of understanding the two moral categories. Alas, writer/director Rian Johnson pulled back, reducing Rey and Kylo Ren’s troubled relationship to a mere tug of war: who’s going to turn which way – towards the light, or towards the dark?
Anakin’s own turn to the Dark Side and into Darth Vader could also be examined in terms of the theology of Saint Augustine, as an evil resulting from ‘inordinate desire for temporal goods’ (see Jason T. Eberl, ‘“Know the Dark Side”: A Theodicy of the Force’, in The Ultimate Star Wars and Philosophy). While it isn’t intrinsically wrong, according to Augustine, for a man to love his wife, as Anakin loved Padmé, such love for an ultimately perishable person must be weighed against more eternal goods such as justice. In an Augustinian framework, Anakin’s downfall is due to his privileging his attachment to a mortal human being over the more fundamental good of justice in the galaxy.
If Augustine was right that we are fundamentally motivated by what we perceive as good for us, then perhaps we should ask what good(s) Rey and Kylo Ren are pursuing as they turn this way and that. Rey – as Kylo points out – seeks belonging; she seeks relationship with those from whom she expects unconditional love: her parents or some suitable surrogate. However, her experience in the cave on Ahch-To reveals to her that she can only count on herself for self-affirmation. This echoes Ayn Rand’s objectivist view that people will only progress if each individual pursues their own rationally-chosen self-interest; or in other words, that each of us has the potential to flourish by our own devices (see for instance, The Virtue of Selfishness, 1961). This thesis may be contrasted with the communitarian ethos exemplified by neo-Aristotelians such as Alasdair MacIntyre and Martha Nussbaum. Both of these thinkers contend that individual human flourishing – the actualization of each person’s natural capabilities – can only be brought about within a supportive social environment, with institutions (such as the Jedi Order) enshrining practices (the training the Jedi receive) that yield goods internal to such practices (that is, Jedi virtues). So, despite her experience on Ahch-To, The Last Jedi ends with Rey on the Millennium Falcon with General Leia Organa and a severely downsized Resistance clinging to the hope that they “have all that they need” to defeat the First Order – namely, each other. By contrast, in his final shot, Kylo Ren is noticeably alone. The apparition of the last link to his father Han Solo – a pair of dice – disappears in his hand as he watches Rey close the door to the Falcon. He wanted to ‘kill the past’, and he got exactly what he wished for.
Anakin’s own turn to the Dark Side and into Darth Vader could also be examined in terms of the theology of Saint Augustine, as an evil resulting from ‘inordinate desire for temporal goods’ (see Jason T. Eberl, ‘“Know the Dark Side”: A Theodicy of the Force’, in The Ultimate Star Wars and Philosophy). While it isn’t intrinsically wrong, according to Augustine, for a man to love his wife, as Anakin loved Padmé, such love for an ultimately perishable person must be weighed against more eternal goods such as justice. In an Augustinian framework, Anakin’s downfall is due to his privileging his attachment to a mortal human being over the more fundamental good of justice in the galaxy.
If Augustine was right that we are fundamentally motivated by what we perceive as good for us, then perhaps we should ask what good(s) Rey and Kylo Ren are pursuing as they turn this way and that. Rey – as Kylo points out – seeks belonging; she seeks relationship with those from whom she expects unconditional love: her parents or some suitable surrogate. However, her experience in the cave on Ahch-To reveals to her that she can only count on herself for self-affirmation. This echoes Ayn Rand’s objectivist view that people will only progress if each individual pursues their own rationally-chosen self-interest; or in other words, that each of us has the potential to flourish by our own devices (see for instance, The Virtue of Selfishness, 1961). This thesis may be contrasted with the communitarian ethos exemplified by neo-Aristotelians such as Alasdair MacIntyre and Martha Nussbaum. Both of these thinkers contend that individual human flourishing – the actualization of each person’s natural capabilities – can only be brought about within a supportive social environment, with institutions (such as the Jedi Order) enshrining practices (the training the Jedi receive) that yield goods internal to such practices (that is, Jedi virtues). So, despite her experience on Ahch-To, The Last Jedi ends with Rey on the Millennium Falcon with General Leia Organa and a severely downsized Resistance clinging to the hope that they “have all that they need” to defeat the First Order – namely, each other. By contrast, in his final shot, Kylo Ren is noticeably alone. The apparition of the last link to his father Han Solo – a pair of dice – disappears in his hand as he watches Rey close the door to the Falcon. He wanted to ‘kill the past’, and he got exactly what he wished for.
Well done Khrows, good stuff
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dan350zr
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Even though I wasn't a huge fan of The Force Awakens, the ending did make me want to see The Last Jedi, but after watching the ending of The Last Jedi I could careless if I see Episode IX, They could of just ended the whole series with Episode VIII... I've never seen such an anti-climatic ending for a middle film of a trilogy. And Disney wants to give Rian his own Trilogy?!?
I'd be amazed if that goes ahead.
jye4ever
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If KK stays Rian/Bergman aren’t going anywhere because she loves them they hang out with her at the personal level.
The second you finish watching the IX trailer you and Otomofan will PO your tickets and Otomfan will probably even buy his 1/6 sea cow to go along with his 1/12 Milking Luke.
jye4ever
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Dadevabio it’s already been confirmed that Rian/Bergman have started working on their trilogy which has an all new storyline.
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If KK stays Rian/Bergman aren’t going anywhere because she loves them they hang out with her at the personal level.
The second you finish watching the IX trailer you will PO your tickets.
like someone else said
YEAH SURE, EVERYONE is going to watch episode 9. but i doubt anyone will watch it more than once. Luke is gone, Leia is gone, Han is gone. SNOKE is gone...
theres nothing left to watch for. the new leads are terrible. Rey is boring, Kylo is a lame villain, The Resistance doesnt exist anymore,
theres really nothing to watch for.... theres no way they can fix this story. theres nothing to use to fix it. Kylo CANNOT be the main villain. hes not strong enough, hes not old enough. he only worked with Snoke behind him.
That would have been like killing the emperor in Empire Strikes back. then you have nothing left to root against in the last one... .
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I'll watch the camrip buutfootage for free.
I'm not paying money. I'm not seeing it in a theater. I'm not contributing to its box office.
And I won't be buying a titty walrus for my SHF Luke cause my figure is an awesome Jedi wizard, not a grumpy fisherman that sups at the teats of large sea creatures with humanoid mammaries. So there.
I'm not paying money. I'm not seeing it in a theater. I'm not contributing to its box office.
And I won't be buying a titty walrus for my SHF Luke cause my figure is an awesome Jedi wizard, not a grumpy fisherman that sups at the teats of large sea creatures with humanoid mammaries. So there.
Oh no my friend, this is a mistake, a terrible mistake. They've gone too far this is madness.
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