Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2)

[Sachiel]

What people are conveniently forgetting is that even after Luke stood his ground in refusing to become an instrument of Palpatine, he still realized that violent resistance was the only way to survive. When he was being attacked by the Emperor's lightning, Luke called out to his father for help. Luke's cries were not to say, "Daddy, please talk this guy out of roasting my ass!" It was more like, "Dad, kill this mother ****** and save me!" And Vader did.

Luke manipulated Vader into killing the Emperor then later took credit for the deaths of Vader and Palpatine.

He's a deceptive little ****.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[ajp4mgs]

I think the point of Luke attacking the unarmed Emperor was to show his slip toward the dark side.

This action by Luke came on the heels of discovering that the Rebellion wasn't going to succeed in their DS run. Luke - as any hero would - suddenly needed to be proactive if there was going to be any chance of still defeating Palpatine. What other options did he have at that point if he still wanted to be heroic? Remember, his plan at first (by turning himself in to convince Anakin to turn) had a fail-safe backup that the Rebellion would end up destroying Palps (with the whole DS) anyway. He wanted to redeem his father, while his friends worked from a different angle. He had a much more personal cause that brought him to that throne room, but having Palpatine defeated/destroyed was always a goal one way or another.

As was his brutal attack on his father.

Again, the attack was motivated by being protective of his sister. Still heroic motives. Yes, the Emperor was trying to bait Luke the whole time; but each instance of violence that Luke engaged in was not from dark motives (revenge, power, selfishness, etc.). He was guided by altruistic motives (saving the Rebellion from doom, ending the evils of the Emperor, and saving his sister from being corrupted). Luke had slipped toward a Dark Side path by becoming unhinged enough to take his aggression against Vader as far as he did. But he never crossed the line. And when Anakin first turned to the Dark Side, his motives for violence (against younglings, Kenobi, Padme) were dark ones such as rage, fury, power, and control. Not the case with Luke.

His throwing the lightsaber away was tantamount to suicide. If he didn’t have a problem attacking the Emperor, he could have easily done so at that point as Vader was down , and as far as Luke knew, Palpatine was an old man.....

Instead, he throws his saber away, and essentially says , “do what you must”.

He did the same by turning himself into Vader on Endor. He even looks a bit scared when Vader ignites the Green saber.

Luke's saber toss was another impulsive act. This time as a demonstration to Palpatine that if his goal was to convert Luke, he'd failed. Luke had resisted; "You've failed, Your Highness." At any time, the saber was a simple Force-pull away from being in his hand again. When Palpatine used the Force to unbuckle Luke's cuffs, he had demonstrated Force abilities. And Luke could probably sense his strength with the dark side of the Force the whole time. I doubt he ever thought of Palps as an easy pushover - just an old man. He had to demonstrate his resistance to becoming a Sith first; the best thing to do next needed some thought. Palpatine just beat him to the punch/bolt and caught him off guard.

Luke pleading to his father at the end is the key. How else would Luke expect Vader/Anakin to help him if not to aggressively subdue (likely kill) Palpatine?

 

[Caped Baldy]

KK's offices just raided over colluding with Russia over Porgs. Jye, burn all the files.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Prime Clone]

“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never to attack.” I’m not sure if I am 100% quoting Yoda correctly

Actually I think it was: "Big dummy you are. Win we will not by attacking what we hate, but by defending what we love."

 

[Prime Clone]

Speaking of comics, while RO managed not to mention the Geonosian link to the Death Star, the latest Darth Vader annual brings it back:

Sorry to mess with your headcanon Khev, but it's actually a story about the Ersos. You might like it!

 

[xipotec]

Rebels has a connection as well...

 

[Vault Boy]

How is this still happening? How are BOTH sides of the TLJ debate still misinterpreting the ending of ROTJ? Luke didn't drop his saber as a statement against violence in general - even violence against evil! FFS!! That interpretation is mind-boggling. But equally mind-boggling is the interpretation that Luke did it to spare Vader from death out of mercy for his conquered victim. WHAT!!?

Luke didn't want to kill his father. But Yoda and Kenobi both let him know that he had to confront Vader. So Luke relied on reaching the remnants of Anakin within Vader. His "confronting" of Vader was to bring himself before him by surrendering on Endor. His intent was to convince his father to turn on Palpatine and save himself, his family, and the galaxy. But Luke was able to do this only because, if he failed, his friends would still end up destroying the Death Star and taking Palpatine (and Vader) with it. Luke's intentions were entirely based on the Emperor BEING KILLED!!! That was the end game. When Palpatine showed that he was aware of (and prepared for) the Rebel assault on the DS, everything changed for Luke.

At that point, killing the Emperor himself was Luke's impulsive reaction to save his friends from dying. And Vader stopped him. So Luke was forced to keep the saber battle going just to survive. But when he got a chance to hide, he took it. He still didn't want to kill his father. This came mere seconds after very much wanting to kill the Emperor. Luke only re-engaged Vader when Leia was invoked as a potential target for converting to the Dark Side. He stopped himself from killing Vader when he heard Palps laughing, looked down at Vader's newly-created stump where his hand used to be, and then looked down at his own hand that Vader had once sliced off. He realized that he was in danger of becoming just like Vader, and being corrupted by the Dark side. That's when he tossed his weapon away.

What people are conveniently forgetting is that even after Luke stood his ground in refusing to become an instrument of Palpatine, he still realized that violent resistance was the only way to survive. When he was being attacked by the Emperor's lightning, Luke called out to his father for help. Luke's cries were not to say, "Daddy, please talk this guy out of roasting my ass!" It was more like, "Dad, kill this mother ****** and save me!" And Vader did.

I'm pretty sure that Lucas wrote it simply enough so that even children could understand, so it's hilarious (and sad) that adults are still missing the point 35 years later.

Anakin's fight with Dooku in E3 was mimicking Luke's fight with Vader in E6. Anakin killed an already defeated Dooku. Luke spared a defeated Darth Vader. That's why Luke looks at his cybernetic hand and then he looks at Vader's stump.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Anakin's fight with Dooku in E3 was mimicking Luke's fight with Vader in E6. Anakin killed an already defeated Dooku. Luke spared a defeated Darth Vader. That's why Luke looks at his cybernetic hand and then he looks at Vader's stump.

I think I'm probably misunderstanding what you're saying (my apologies in advance). Are you suggesting that Luke's glance at his hand, and then at his father's stump, was not meant to suggest that Luke realized he was in danger of falling into Palpatine's trap (as far as becoming another Vader)? You're saying the hand/stump scene meant something else? And that Luke stopped out of mercy to spare his defeated victim . . . not because he realized he was doing something sinister/dark (as Palpatine had hoped)?

 

[Khev]

Speaking of comics, while RO managed not to mention the Geonosian link to the Death Star, the latest Darth Vader annual brings it back:

Sorry to mess with your headcanon Khev, but it's actually a story about the Ersos. You might like it!

Erso.

And my headcanon's pretty much jacked after this:

So for all I know there will be Geonosians and Vader's "NO" chamber in my display case this time next year, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

Old Man Maul lol

 

[Vault Boy]

I think I'm probably misunderstanding what you're saying (my apologies in advance). Are you suggesting that Luke's glance at his hand, and then at his father's stump, was not meant to suggest that Luke realized he was in danger of falling into Palpatine's trap (as far as becoming another Vader)? You're saying the hand/stump scene meant something else? And that Luke stopped out of mercy to spare his defeated victim . . . not because he realized he was doing something sinister/dark (as Palpatine had hoped)?

No. The opposite. You had it right. I reread it. You emphasized Luke not wanting to kill his father at first.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

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[Vault Boy]

The likes of Kathleen Kennedy and her Story Group is what happens when people are hired for their gender instead of their talent. She plainly says that her and the majority of her Story Group being women "makes all the difference" in the new direction they want to take the franchise. That is "appealing to girls" and "making the protagonist a female". Hence the feminist icon, MaRey Sue. KK also says that she was hired simply because she's a woman. The same with the women in the Story Group. KK hired all of them.



Onward Social Justice Warriors.

 

[Superman-Prime]

The likes of Kathleen Kennedy and her Story Group is what happens when people are hired for their gender instead of their talent. She plainly says that her and the majority of her Story Group being women "makes all the difference" in the new direction they want to take the franchise. That is "appealing to girls" and "making the protagonist a female". Hence the feminist icon, MaRey Sue. KK also says that she was hired simply because she's a woman. The same with the women in the Story Group. KK hired all of them.



Onward Social Justice Warriors.

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[Vault Boy]

 

[a-dev]

 

[Captain Clown]

 

[Vault Boy]

Yeah I laughed. But let's not pretend it's a universal truth around here.