Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[JAWS]

And I'm guessing you'd be the guy who sent in all those Bothans just to "go with the flow"...

It's like retconning that jet fighters, ICBMs and nukes were available in WWI and we'll all just ignore that they didn't use them. The problem...

The ST is meant to be watched in sequence with the OT. Same timeline. And the OT is CHOCK FULL of scenarios (over and over and over) where the rebels are faced with an overwhelming wall of Imperial space hardware, and they make wimp/back-to-the-wall decisions like running or going in with tiny fighters against all odds etc. Hundreds/thousands die, precious hardware/equipment destroyed, they often lose... etc. When the weaponized-hyperspace option was there all along.

One fighter... boom. Star Destroyer all gone.

I am looking forward to Leland Chee's retcon on it though.

I am not saying that it does not cause some questions.. BUT it would not be such an issue to some if the film ANH / ESB quality.

IMO anyways.


I mean everyone is getting upset that they did it in TLJ.

I mean so what.. Everyone is asking if they did it in that film then why not all the others..

I will ask.. even if they never did it in this one then home come it was not done in the others??

I mean it seems to me that a ship going at light speed would be a pretty awesome weapon... There is no explanation on why it was not used.. It just wasn't..



However.... Now that it has been done.... Well there should be a lot more of it in the next film. Otherwise its just bad strategy

Just like we should see Ghost Luke kicking Kylo's asss easily

 

[JAWS]

yeah but no one ever thought to use it.....

But that creates problems for the other films in the series...

That and Ghost Jedi's that can cause damage to the real world.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Ghost Jedi's that can cause damage to the real world.

That I find more troubling.

As I said before, I don't see the hyperspace-ramming as anything more problematic then, say, using airplanes to bomb skyscrapers. When that happened, everyone thought: wow, no one ever thought to do that before?

But ghosts that can destroy, summon powers... that opens a whole kettle of issues. Like for one: why isn't ghost Obi-Wan and Yoda at ghost-war with Ghost Maul, Dooku and Palaptine?

 

[Lakhota]

Omg I’m watching RoTS 5 old fashioned in, omfg it all sucks! We been ****ed by Disney and George Lucas, everything but the OT is the only thing good. I’m so embarrassed for us fans


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[JAWS]

That I find more troubling.

As I said before, I don't see the hyperspace-ramming as anything more problematic then, say, using airplanes to bomb skyscrapers. When that happened, everyone thought: wow, no one ever thought to do that before?

But ghosts that can destroy, summon powers... that opens a whole kettle of issues. Like for one: why isn't ghost Obi-Wan and Yoda at ghost-war with Ghost Maul, Dooku and Palaptine?

Always figured Dark Side users could not become one with the force.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Wrongest of all wrongs.... and forced in to boot.

I think adding Jabba was a good idea because it captures the humor and imagination of GL in one great scene for a new generation to enjoy.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Always figured Dark Side users could not become one with the force.

I was half joking, but why not? I'm sure "balance" allows for baddies to have their own way to become ghosts... dark, shadowy ghosts.

Maybe Disney will make Ghost Wars...

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think adding Jabba was a good idea because it captures the humor and imagination of GL in one great scene for a new generation to enjoy.

Why did you post that picture of crows?

 

[klwn]

Always figured Dark Side users could not become one with the force.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Why did you post that picture of crows?

 

[Wor-Gar]

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Perfect

 

[TaliBane]

I am not saying that it does not cause some questions.. BUT it would not be such an issue to some if the film ANH / ESB quality.

IMO anyways.


I mean everyone is getting upset that they did it in TLJ.

I mean so what.. Everyone is asking if they did it in that film then why not all the others..

I will ask.. even if they never did it in this one then home come it was not done in the others??

I mean it seems to me that a ship going at light speed would be a pretty awesome weapon... There is no explanation on why it was not used.. It just wasn't..



However.... Now that it has been done.... Well there should be a lot more of it in the next film. Otherwise its just bad strategy

Just like we should see Ghost Luke kicking Kylo's asss easily

It opens a pandora's box though. Because it WAY more evenly matches the FO and the Resistance, and Empire and Rebellion.

It's like saying that a small terrorist group is somehow able to turn regular gunpowder into a nuclear material. It turns the "brave band" assymetric warfare (small group with little gear versus gigantic monolith with planet-sized spaceships) that is the staple of SW on its head.

What you (and others) don't seem to understand is that weaponized hyperspace is a TOTAL game-changer for the SW universe: making a small band of rebels with hyperspace-capable ships able to take out massive dreadnaughts, Star Destroyers and even possibly a Death-Star-type station (though I know people are already retconning "shields" to plug that gushing hole.)

It also DESTROYS the aspect of valour or bravery seen in OT battle - it makes a mockery of those idiots who attacked the first Death Star, and all the other bravery seen in battles seen in the OT. Because it was all a waste because a simple, super-easy, low-cost option that ANYONE COULD OR SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF was available.

And so say "no one thought of it" is willful evasion/blindness - we see vast scientific research centers in RO, the intensive technology that built star destroyers and death stars, and you have a rebellion on its desperate last legs, massively outmatched and outgunned, looking for anything to help in their fight...

And people are seriously going with "no one thought of it before"? .

 

[klwn]

What you (and others) don't seem to understand is that weaponized hyperspace is a TOTAL game-changer for the SW universe: making a small band of rebels with hyperspace-capable ships able to take out massive dreadnaughts, Star Destroyers and even possibly a Death-Star-type station (though I know people are already retconning "shields" to plug that gushing hole.)

Let's not forget that with Han landing the Falcon on Starkiller base in TFA, it's now established in canon that shields can't do anything against objects moving at hyperspace speed.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Why did you post that picture of crows?

Ironically, I was trying to sound like Crows

 

[TaliBane]

That I find more troubling.

As I said before, I don't see the hyperspace-ramming as anything more problematic then, say, using airplanes to bomb skyscrapers. When that happened, everyone thought: wow, no one ever thought to do that before?

But ghosts that can destroy, summon powers... that opens a whole kettle of issues. Like for one: why isn't ghost Obi-Wan and Yoda at ghost-war with Ghost Maul, Dooku and Palaptine?

In peacetime... yes.

The only thing that was absent was a new ideology that would enable quite highly-trained people to go willingly on a suicide mission. And by the mid-late 1990's, that ideology had fully evolved, along with the necessary funding and command/control to get a new WWII Kamikaze attack-on-steroids underway.

 

[Prime Clone]

Yep clearly the Rebellion should have scrapped their entire fleet in favor of remote control A-Wings after that moment, lol.

If each one could take out a Star Destroyer it would make perfect sense!

 

[Wor-Gar]

I don't know; I love that SFX enough that I'm willing to enjoy the never-before-attempted aspect of the maneuver.

Leia flying in space I cannot accept.

 

[klwn]

I don't know; I love that SFX enough that I'm willing to enjoy the never-before-attempted aspect of the maneuver.

Leia flying in space I cannot accept.

I think JAWS is right when saying far less people would complain about it if it were part of a better movie overall.
Visually it was probably my favorite scene in TLJ other than Snoke's Force lightning (really took me by surprise, love that).

Of course when you hate the movie, it's easy to have fun nitpicking it to no end.

 

[TaliBane]

I don't know; I love that SFX enough that I'm willing to enjoy the never-before-attempted aspect of the maneuver.

It was a gorgeously handled shot. But the logic ramifications of it are equally spectacular.

Leia flying in space I cannot accept.

You can now accept the lactating sea-cow?

 

[Prime Clone]

Leia flying in space I cannot accept.

My only problem with the scene is it's a reminder Leia never became a Jedi, for which I blame JJ.