Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[ZaCHw117]

Luke throwing his saber wasn't the best way to get that across, I agree. Still doesn't bug me as much as others though.

 

[TonTon]

Well when he instructed Hux to bring Kylo to complete his training he wasn't aware that he'd been bested by Rey. Obviously once he learned that fact his disgust caused him to second guess Kylo's usefulness at all.

That's an interesting take. I still think a flaw of TFA is ending in such a way that the film sort of seemed like it had to pick up right where it left off. I prefer the films to have space between them for the characters to grow and things to have happened (off screen). At least TLJ seems pretty wrapped up and most of us assume a time jump will occur now.

These films backed themselves into a few corners in terms of where they can go, the TFA ending being one of them. Kylo being so obsessed with killing Luke also meant that Luke does really need to go away somehow for the story of the new characters to progress, so Luke turning into a ghost provides that opportunity. To me these movies felt more like parts 1 and 2 of a 6-movie set.

 

[Asta]

@KOK

Lol....it took me 3 goes to get/ enjoy it. Bloody priceless.

Priceless is remembering how to watch a Star Wars film. It's easy to forget the original intention and inspiration, and get caught up with things that don't matter. It helps when you already have a liking for the old cliffhangers, which were generally aimed at children.

 

[Khev]

That's an interesting take. I still think a flaw of TFA is ending in such a way that the film sort of seemed like it had to pick up right where it left off.

Yes it really played like it was the first film of a series based on novels like LOTR or Hunger Games the way it ended "mid-scene." It was so frustrating in 2015 but thankfully I'll never have a two year gap on that island again, lol.

But yeah for Episode IX they really should skip ahead a few years. Allow for Rey and Kylo to get more powerful (and minimize complaints of Rey improving too rapidly,) say that Leia died of natural causes off-screen, and so on.

Plus Daisy really doesn't look like her TFA self anymore and it will be pretty silly if 26 year old Ridley still has to pretend she's 20.

 

[crows]

I love how people say the all-time box office list "doesn't count" because there are "crappy" movies on the list but then trumpet low numbers in China or Ecuador as "proof" that the film was a disaster, lol.

Outgrossing The Dark Knight's lifetime earnings: Doesn't matter
Being outgrossed by a rom-com on one weekend in China: THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS

Dont give me that crap man..... come on are you serious???
You HAVE to be trolling with this

You have it all backwards YOU buckos were saying that high box office automatically MEANS it is good... YOUand jye are the ones saying box office and quality are equal...

You can be as happy as you want, as excited and as joyful that your movie did well in box office. You can scream in joy. "It broke a billion yay"
But what we were saying is that a lot of crap movies reach a billion or close to it. We were showing examples of movies that reach a billion and are crap.


There are also movies that are amazing like Dredd and it flopped....

It is funny to make fun of box office and how people will go or ignore a movie but to say that high box office means excellent movie is foolish

Look at that garbage of the hobbit vomit movies.... are the hobbit better than lord of the rings?

just stop no one is wasting their time watching videos an internet stranger is posting in the middle of discussion. It's boring. If you wanna say something, say it. I ain't watching any YT ********.

You better never post a video ever again.. i will never forget this. In fact im saving this post to quote

 

[Khev]

Dont give me that crap man..... come on are you serious???
You HAVE to be trolling with this

You have it all backwards YOU buckos were saying that high box office automatically MEANS it is good... YOU and jye are the ones saying box office and quality are equal...

Go ahead and quote the post where I said that then.

I'll wait...

 

[ZaCHw117]

You better never post a video ever again.. i will never forget this. In fact im saving this post to quote

Rant videos < Funny videos, all in context my little black crowz.

 

[Asta]

I can see how some people would have wanted his reaction to be more "epic" but obviously it was meant to set the stage for this difficult, slightly comedic, and nearly impossible to manipulate (whether by words or trinkets) new Luke that Rey was dealing with.



So after rejecting the saber twice your fandom was reborn and it will NOT be the last sequel you see, lol.

I rejected it completely the first time. As soon as he tossed it over his shoulder I couldn't help but think that that farce was strong with this one, and the remainder came over as parody. 1/10.

With the second viewing I overlooked the bad and focused on the good, which was the way I managed to get through the PT. 5/10.

It was only by the third that I got myself into the right frame of mind, and as I wrote remembered the original intention and inspiration, and things fell into place. 7/10.

The politics are nowhere near as overt as indicated by so many 'critics'. That is, the film is not an ideological manifesto, but rather a series of often conflicting viewpoints.

 

[Khev]

I rejected it completely the first time. As soon as he tossed it over his shoulder I couldn't help but think that that farce was strong with this one, and the remainder came over as parody. 1/10.

Luke speaking matter of factly about the rise of Darth Sidious suggested that we was aware of all the events of the prequels. So for the "prequels are canon" crowd how *should* have Luke reacted to seeing a weapon that he now knew was used to slaughter innocent children?

 

[TonTon]

I think the throwing it over the shoulder in semi-comedic fashion is the issue more so than casting it aside with different emotions on display. I would have preferred that but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

 

[jye4ever]

"And is still one of the top grossing films in the history of cinema."

I thought that Johnson really addressed so many of the issues of TFA quite elegantly despite what some claim. He had Snoke personally address Kylo's "poseur boy in a mask" nature, the fact that he lost to a girl with no lightsaber training, why Snoke would put a weak Draco Malfoy type officer in charge of his whole fleet, the reason that Luke was unaware of the Republic and Han being destroyed, why Rey had a sudden influx in power, etc.

I fully understand why people wouldn't like things like Space Leia or the casino but really I see it all as just a matter of people's "head canons" being unfulfilled as opposed to errors in the actual filmmaking.

Let me ask you this.

Would you consider Trump to be the personification of a Mary Sue?

Outsider with ZERO political or constitutional training then becomes President and praised by his supporters as the best POTUS in history who can’t do no wrong.

Trump even just literally said after that book came out that his opposition just hates that he’s an outsider doing an incredible job at everything thrown his way.

I mean doesn’t even Trump say he was brought up poor with just 1 million lol

So his Mary Sue is great yet Rey’s is not, why?

 

[guyver1]

So I started seeing the bootleg footage scenes popping up YouTube recently and I still have to ask..so are we to understand that Rey received no kind of training from Luke whatsoever? Yes I know she doesn’t need it deep down it’s supposed to come naturally. But Luke did say to her that he doesn’t want to train anyone anymore. But I have to wonder how long was Rey on Ach to and did Luke just leave her alone while her force powers manifested on their own?

Does anyone know if that’s the direction Johnson wanted or did he cut scenes out of the script that suggested Luke originally trained her.

In how society views relationships and interaction now a days , I can see why there were very few scenes with Luke interacting with Rey, I guess one could say that Disney didn’t want to give the impression of a young woman alone on a island with a hermit type of old man constantly by her side might perceive as a pedo type relationship between the two characters.

That’s how they can only explain the lack of scenes between Luke and Rey

 

[Asta]

Luke speaking matter of factly about the rise of Darth Sidious suggested that we was aware of all the events of the prequels. So for the "prequels are canon" crowd how *should* have Luke reacted to seeing a weapon that he now knew was used to slaughter innocent children?

I agree that he wouldn't have wanted it, considering the association. It was the way he threw it over his shoulder after the buildup from the end of TFA. It evoked the wrong kind if emotion - more flippant than angry.

 

[Khev]

I think the throwing it over the shoulder in semi-comedic fashion is the issue more so than casting it aside with different emotions on display. I would have preferred that but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

I agree that he wouldn't have wanted it, considering the association. It was the way he threw it over his shoulder after the buildup from the end of TFA. It evoked the wrong kind if emotion - more flippant than angry.

I see where you guys are coming from.

 

[Khev]

I guess one could say that Disney didn’t want to give the impression of a young woman alone on a island with a hermit type of old man constantly by her side might perceive as a pedo type relationship between the two characters.

Would you consider Trump to be the personification of a Mary Sue?

Uhhh, I'm not sure that this is the best way to win people over to Rey, lol.

 

[Khev]

"You seek acceptance from the failing Luke Skywalker after your historic loss of Han Solo, the closest thing to a father you ever had. Sad!"

 

[guyver1]

Uhhh, I'm not sure that this is the best way to win people over to Rey, lol.

I know it’s sounds so far fetched ..but how else can they explain having little to none scenes of Luke and Rey together given the scenario that they are on a Island for a decent amount of time in the film. I’d figure the majority of the film would have Rey mostly in scenes with Luke but that didn’t happen at all. So I had to really think why would they do this.

 

[Sachiel]

Let me ask you this.

Would you consider Trump to be the personification of a Mary Sue?

Outsider with ZERO political or constitutional training then becomes President and praised by his supporters as the best POTUS in history who can’t do no wrong.

Trump even just literally said after that book came out that his opposition just hates that he’s an outsider doing an incredible job at everything thrown his way.

I mean doesn’t even Trump say he was brought up poor with just 1 million lol

So his Mary Sue is great yet Rey’s is not, why?

 

[TonTon]

How on earth did you make that jump, Guyver?

Did you want to see this?

They had plenty of scenes together, he just really didn't train her that much. Weren't there 3 lessons he was going to give her?

1) The Jedi don't own the force
2) I forget and I just went yesterday to see it a 2nd time
3) Was there a third?

 

[jye4ever]

Uhhh, I'm not sure that this is the best way to win people over to Rey, lol.

A Mary Sue is good at many things.

Trump is completely useless and out of his depth. He talks and writes like a child, and has little or no consideration for the long term effects of his actions.

He's the petulant man child upon which it appears Kylo was based: the unfit individual with too much power and too little knowledge of how to use it.

No no i’m serious just keep politics out of my question or if you like him or not.

I’m trying to figure this out for myself.

For a man with no political service or constitutional training who proclaims his own perfection as President and is viewed as perfect by his supporters, is he a Mary Sue or not?