Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[ZaCHw117]

Agree. For me it was Kylo and Luke e.g. performances by Driver and Hamill. Although I thought all the actors did a good job, but those were the standouts.

Kylo to me is interesting as Driver has the range to pull off believable ruthlessness, conflict, vulnerability. And the hate/hate dysfunctional dynamics between Kylo and Hux are interesting too at this point. Gleeson is nailing Hux as a character IMO.

BLOW THAT PIECE OF JUNK OUT OF THE SKY

is one of my favorite star wars lines now.

Sorry you don't like my question... I guess that means you can't answer it?

Here's a great read as to why it's at 106%

Why The Last Jedi's Rotten Tomato Score is so high.

 

[Khev]

BLOW THAT PIECE OF JUNK OUT OF THE SKY

is one of my favorite star wars lines now.

I loved that they literally sent every single TIE Fighter after it, lol. Like after five movies of TIE's chasing the Falcon they finally got the memo that 2-4 just wasn't going to cut it.

 

[ZaCHw117]

 

[Vault Boy]

One of my favorite rants.

 

[loki2371]

Here's a great read as to why it's at 106%

Why The Last Jedi's Rotten Tomato Score is so high.

Thanks, such a helpful forum member.. kudos to you!!

 

[ZaCHw117]

One of my favorite rants.

just stop no one is wasting their time watching videos an internet stranger is posting in the middle of discussion. It's boring. If you wanna say something, say it. I ain't watching any YT ********.

 

[jye4ever]

I loved that they literally sent every single TIE Fighter after it, lol. Like after five movies of TIE's chasing the Falcon they finally got the memo that 2-4 just wasn't going to cut it.

I loved the FO side of things so much more in TLJ than from TFA.

 

[Khev]

TLJ bombed in China *****es! Ha ha ha!

"And is still one of the top grossing films in the history of cinema."

Oh sheet!

 

[ZaCHw117]

I loved the FO side of things so much more in TLJ than from TFA.

I really did too. It really expanded on the whole world.

 

[Khev]

I loved the FO side of things so much more in TLJ than from TFA.

I thought that Johnson really addressed so many of the issues of TFA quite elegantly despite what some claim. He had Snoke personally address Kylo's "poseur boy in a mask" nature, the fact that he lost to a girl with no lightsaber training, why Snoke would put a weak Draco Malfoy type officer in charge of his whole fleet, the reason that Luke was unaware of the Republic and Han being destroyed, why Rey had a sudden influx in power, etc.

I fully understand why people wouldn't like things like Space Leia or the casino but really I see it all as just a matter of people's "head canons" being unfulfilled as opposed to errors in the actual filmmaking.

 

[TonTon]

Kylo should have responded that he had been shot by a very powerful bowcaster since that was the typical response to the Rey defeating Ren criticism over the last couple of years.

It felt like Johnson was trying to roll fan criticism of TFA into the movie (as if they are his own criticisms), even making sure to have Chewie and Leia hug at the end. I think that's part of some people's criticism that he's undermining some of what Abrams had set up. It's a different type of fan service.

 

[Khev]

Kylo should have responded that he had been shot by a very powerful bowcaster since that was the typical response to the Rey defeating Ren criticism over the last couple of years.

It felt like Johnson was trying to roll fan criticism of TFA into the movie (as if they are his own criticisms), even making sure to have Chewie and Leia hug at the end. I think that's part of some people's criticism that he's undermining some of what Abrams had set up. It's a different type of fan service.

I actually don't mind that as long as it doesn't go overboard (like BvS repeating 50 times that every building Doomsday destroyed was empty/uninhabited.) I think it would have been even more glaring if Snoke *hadn't* addressed Kylo's failure in such fashion. And Kylo not complaining about being wounded showed that he wasn't going to just wuss out and give an excuse at every opportunity, even a valid one.

 

[TonTon]

I was actually being sarcastic about the Kylo part, just meant that it would have completed the movie thread discussion feel that the scene had. I agree what Snoke says makes sense in context and works in what he's trying to do, but it definitely takes me out of the movie a bit. Maybe it's a sign that I need to read people dissecting the movies less if their words are gonna show up in the films. Also, where/when was the training him and Kylo were supposed to be completing? I guess Kylo doesn't think he needs it.

 

[Khev]

I was actually being sarcastic about the Kylo part, just meant that it would have completed the movie thread discussion feel that the scene had. I agree it makes sense, but it definitely takes me out of the movie a bit. Maybe it's a sign that I need to read people dissecting the movies less if their words are gonna show up in the films.

Snoke's comments echoed people's complaints yes, but it also echoed his own complaints in TFA ("A scavenger! Resisted YOU!") So I didn't find it to be jarring on screen in TLJ.

Now if Episode IX's scroll opens with "The First Order has conquered the entire galaxy (except China)..." then yeah I'll feel like they went too far with incorporating real world discussion into the movie.

 

[Asta]

I thought that Johnson really addressed so many of the issues of TFA quite elegantly despite what some claim. He had Snoke personally address Kylo's "poseur boy in a mask" nature, the fact that he lost to a girl with no lightsaber training, why Snoke would put a weak Draco Malfoy type officer in charge of his whole fleet, the reason that Luke was unaware of the Republic and Han being destroyed, why Rey had a sudden influx in power, etc.

I fully understand why people wouldn't like things like Space Leia or the casino but really I see it all as just a matter of people's "head canons" being unfulfilled as opposed to errors in the actual filmmaking.

The Casino was a great scene. The only problem with Space Leia was the execution of the flight itself.

The other really big problem was mishandling Luke's reaction to the saber. It lost all the intended emotion by subverting itself as comedy.

Enjoying TLJ is a matter of being in the right frame of mind. It took me three goes to get it. And now the hate just seems like an infectious knee jerk reaction.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I was actually being sarcastic about the Kylo part, just meant that it would have completed the movie thread discussion feel that the scene had. I agree what Snoke says makes sense in context and works in what he's trying to do, but it definitely takes me out of the movie a bit. Maybe it's a sign that I need to read people dissecting the movies less if their words are gonna show up in the films. Also, where/when was the training him and Kylo were supposed to be completing? I guess Kylo doesn't think he needs it.

Keep in mind that TLJ picks up just days even moments after TFA.

 

[Rainpaulo]

@KOK

Lol....it took me 3 goes to get/ enjoy it. Bloody priceless.

 

[ZaCHw117]

I've seen it twice, and loved it even more the 2nd time around. Hoping to catch 3 this week if work is slow enough.

 

[Khev]

Also, where/when was the training him and Kylo were supposed to be completing? I guess Kylo doesn't think he needs it.

Well when he instructed Hux to bring Kylo to complete his training he wasn't aware that he'd been bested by Rey. Obviously once he learned that fact his disgust caused him to second guess Kylo's usefulness at all.

 

[Khev]

The other really big problem was mishandling Luke's reaction to the saber. It lost all the intended emotion by subverting itself as comedy.

I can see how some people would have wanted his reaction to be more "epic" but obviously it was meant to set the stage for this difficult, slightly comedic, and nearly impossible to manipulate (whether by words or trinkets) new Luke that Rey was dealing with.

Enjoying TLJ is a matter of being in the right frame of mind. It took me three goes to get it.

So after rejecting the saber twice your fandom was reborn and it will NOT be the last sequel you see, lol.