Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

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Spaz 0

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Kylo: I'm finally going to show what a badass I am.
Luke: Nah, you're going to waste a bunch of time posing while the girl I just met and her dumb friends escape. See you around, kid.

Fixed

 

[DiFabio]

Nothing grinds my gears more than when someone tries to pull down the few good Star Wars movies into the mud in a sorry attempt to prop up the bad ones.

"See, see! This is just like this, and adds meaning to this, they're alike! That means this clearly inferorior thing is good too!" is always a stretch and a bad argument, no matter what. Write this down and make sure you ever do it.

WWEjedi tried this all the time in his support and love of the prequels. It's very, very sickening! Leave Star Wars and Empire alone!

Personally I thought most of the EU that I sampled was weak. The only stuff I remember liking a lot were the Tales Of anthologies.

I guess my "trigger" is people who get high and mighty when it's clear they don't have the facts. I was just getting dissed by the Original Gangsta SKywalker because he/she didn't pay attention to the exposition in the movie. I've responded to at least two consistent "haters" who have declared that there is no basis for Rey being able to fly a ship in TFA when she says outright that she has flown ships before. Nobody responds to those comments.

Also, I agree - setting up a device doesn't add quality. But that wasn't the argument I was engaging in. You can love or hate Force projection. But they were certainly building it up as an expansion of the mind-connection from ESB.

As for fandom - I think which saide you view as the aggressor depends on where you sit. I've seen people saying those who like TLJ are attacking those who don't but my own experience feels quite the opposite.

And video game fans??? I gave up on Metal Gear threads because I couldn't go three posts without reading how Kojima ruined everything after the second game.

But I know your M/O is negative deconstruction and you're good at it.

I still think you doth protest too much, though. Even if that is indicative of my lack of personality.

I guess when it comes to fandom I can relate more to people who devote their time and energy to things they like. Outside of that it doesn't feel like fandom to me.
I don't know what it is but it sure is something nowadays.

Agreed about the EU and I'll admit I jump into conversations without looking at previous pages, so I may miss who said what.

I was just ****ing with you about the personality thing, I'm surprised you remembered! You're definitely glib and sarcastic. That's what I like. These longer, more insightful posts paint a better picture of you than the little flippant blanket statement posts you sometimes make.

I like a lot of things, it's just more fun to rant about things I don't like. It's hard to explain. You should try it, skepticism is exhilarating.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Let me just say this...

 

[DarthBakura]

I don’t get why everyone rags on the humor. I can only recall a handful of moments from the film. It doesn’t have the coupling of C-3PO and R2-D2 or Han and Chewbacca to fall back on anymore. It had to do its own thing. Jesus.

 

[Spazz]

How insanely demoralizing it must have been for the FO to actually unleash their most powerful weapons against the Resistance and yet accomplish absolutely nothing.

Yep, Luke really kicked them right in the feelings.

 

[Khev]

"I know one thing, Commander, we drew down and fired straight at him. Capped off two hundred rounds with the AT-AT's, full pack. Nothing... Nothing on Crait could've lived. Not at that range."

"What did you see Kylo. Kylo!"

"That Skywalker he, he disappeared."

 

[Lakhota]

What I want to know is that people are fine with Luke dying the way he did? The Luke Skywalker that against all odds blew up the Death Star. The same Jedi that lost his hand fighting for his friends abandoning his training . The same Luke that walked right into Jabbas Palace like a bad mofo and killed a Rancor, hid a lightsaber in R2 and rescued his friend Han Solo. Now hes an old bitter hermit that hates everyone doesn't want to help out his friends or family, give two ****s that Solo died and tried to kill his own nephew. He makes himself a hologram on the other side of the universe to stall his Nephew only to die from force exhaustion, alone with no family or friends who he for 3 movies fought for. I don't understand how this is good story telling , its like at the end of the Wizard Of Oz, Dorothy returned to Kansas and murdered her whole family she desperately tried to get back to, it just make no sense .

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Let me just say this...

Ah, new shark projection force power.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Dorothy should have died once she got back home.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't understand how this is good story telling , its like at the end of the Wizard Of Oz, Dorothy returned to Kansas and murdered her whole family she desperately tried to get back to, it just make no sense .

It looks like we're . . . not in Kansas anymore.

That's what subversion and deconstructing is all about baby. Take a sledgehammer to the old ways and make way for the new. I don't know why older Star Wars fans want to see their movie heroes grow old, be bitter, get useless and die. You think it would hit a little too close to home. Star Wars is a fantasy, but yeah, lets make Luke a loser like this franchise's fan base to make way for the newer, better written characters!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Like Trump.

 

[Khev]

What I want to know is that people are fine with Luke dying the way he did? The Luke Skywalker that against all odds blew up the Death Star. The same Jedi that lost his hand fighting for his friends abandoning his training . The same Luke that walked right into Jabbas Palace like a bad mofo and killed a Rancor, hid a lightsaber in R2 and rescued his friend Han Solo. Now hes an old bitter hermit that hates everyone doesn't want to help out his friends or family, give two ****s that Solo died and tried to kill his own nephew. He makes himself a hologram on the other side of the universe to stall his Nephew only to die from force exhaustion, alone with no family or friends who he for 3 movies fought for. I don't understand how this is good story telling , its like at the end of the Wizard Of Oz, Dorothy returned to Kansas and murdered her whole family she desperately tried to get back to, it just make no sense .

You really didnt follow his arc at all in TLJ at all did you. It's interesting that the defining basis for most of the outrage against TLJ stems from a complete lack of following what was shown on screen. Not to pick on you but a bitter hermit who "hates everyone, doesn't want to help friends or family,"etc? Looks like you didn't get the point of him being on the island at all.

And that's a significant point a lot of us are making. If you want to hate everything that's fine. But hating a narrative that exists only in your mind and not on screen is just odd.

 

[TonTon]

I don’t get why everyone rags on the humor. I can only recall a handful of moments from the film. It doesn’t have the coupling of C-3PO and R2-D2 or Han and Chewbacca to fall back on anymore. It had to do its own thing. Jesus.

The humor was terrible. Rian Johnson should never be allowed to script another joke again.

 

[DarthBakura]

Dorothy should have died once she got back home.

Or she died in the tornado...

Just saying.

What I want to know is that people are fine with Luke dying the way he did? The Luke Skywalker that against all odds blew up the Death Star. The same Jedi that lost his hand fighting for his friends abandoning his training . The same Luke that walked right into Jabbas Palace like a bad mofo and killed a Rancor, hid a lightsaber in R2 and rescued his friend Han Solo. Now hes an old bitter hermit that hates everyone doesn't want to help out his friends or family, give two ****s that Solo died and tried to kill his own nephew. He makes himself a hologram on the other side of the universe to stall his Nephew only to die from force exhaustion, alone with no family or friends who he for 3 movies fought for. I don't understand how this is good story telling , its like at the end of the Wizard Of Oz, Dorothy returned to Kansas and murdered her whole family she desperately tried to get back to, it just make no sense .

I’m kinda glad they didn’t go a predictable route with Luke’s new arc. Some cheesy, happy go lucky horse**** after everything that happened? No thanks. I forgot my vomit bowl.

 

[Spazz]

You really didnt follow his arc at all in TLJ at all did you. It's interesting that the defining basis for most of the outrage against TLJ stems from a complete lack of following what was shown on screen. Not to pick on you but a bitter hermit who "hates everyone, doesn't want to help friends or family,"etc? Looks like you didn't get the point of him being on the island at all.

And that's a significant point a lot of us are making. If you want to hate everything that's fine. But hating a narrative that exists only in your mind and not on screen is just odd.

The actual narrative was idiotic. Luke hid on the island because he felt that the Jedi needed to die: that it was vanity and/or hubris for the Jedi to defend everyone as the self-proclaimed guardians of righteousness. Meanwhile... an individual that he trained continues to use the dark side of the force, to kill innocent people and obtain power to rule the galaxy? His inexplicable "moment of weakness" in wanting to murder his nephew results in him taking absolutely no responsibility for his actions, no regard for the dark side of the force, no initiative in protecting people he loves... It was poorly stipulated motivation for a protagonist that the entire franchise revolved around.

 

[YoNoSe]

Fixed

Actually it’s more like “...my sister, some girl I kind of hate, buncha sock puppets, some cool robots and a nice gay couple escape with an androgynous corpse and all my ****ing books.”

 

[DarthBakura]

It looks like we're . . . not in Kansas anymore.

That's what subversion and deconstructing is all about baby. Take a sledgehammer to the old ways and make way for the new. I don't know why older Star Wars fans want to see their movie heroes grow old, be bitter, get useless and die. You think it would hit a little too close to home. Star Wars is a fantasy, but yeah, lets make Luke a loser like this franchise's fan base to make way for the newer, better written characters!

I honestly wanted the films set eighty to a hundred years after Return of the Jedi. Or a thousand years prior. Seriously, some prime storytelling out there when you get past the ****ing Skywalkers. I wish the midichlorians would just eat them all like parasites already.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Or she died in the tornado...

 

[Lakhota]

You really didnt follow his arc at all in TLJ at all did you. It's interesting that the defining basis for most of the outrage against TLJ stems from a complete lack of following what was shown on screen. Not to pick on you but a bitter hermit who "hates everyone, doesn't want to help friends or family,"etc? Looks like you didn't get the point of him being on the island at all.

And that's a significant point a lot of us are making. If you want to hate everything that's fine. But hating a narrative that exists only in your mind and not on screen is just odd.

please explain to me why Luke was on that that island ( im not being facetious). What I got out of the movie is he was there to die, after feeling bad for trying to kill his Nephew. Therefore he didn't want anything to do with the outside world and wasn't going to train Rey even though he knew the "Rebels" needed her and his help. He just gave up and went there to wither away. I didn't see any hero qualities in him anymore and the drive to carry on help for his friends and family.