5 minutes? 10 minutes?
So... let's discuss this then.
Seriously - how long does Luke's projection last in TLJ? 20 minutes minimum (remember, his plan is to arrive, check in with Leia, go out and "put on a show" long enough for a large group to realize what he's doing, escape through a complex network of tunnels, and presumably get into the Falcon)? In reality, based on what actually happens, probably 30+ minutes. He even takes the time to have a catch-up chat with Leia. He certainly doesn't seem to be in any hurry - at all - i mean as if he's dying every second while he's doing it.
I don't know how long Luke's sequence lasts. I would suppose less than 30 minutes for sure. Unless I'm mistaken we see the whole thing from his appearance, entrance to the cave, talking, winking at Threepio, moving to his mark on the battlefield and the duel.
I know they/you have to keep saying "force projection will kill you in minutes" in order to sell why Luke has to die, but then you think back on Luke casually walking in, sitting down to playfully chat with Leia, his deliberate slow/dramatic walk out, the time needed to draw Kylo down from the ATAT, taking time to talk to and taunt Kylo etc.
If every second counted, why wouldn't he be in a hurry?
No one has to justify why Luke has to die. The moment Kylo sees Rey he states that the effort would kill her. Immediately he knows it. So it's stated right there that it can quickly be fatal. That's the script.
It's this combination that makes no sense: "his goal is to stall for time" (which infers deliberately wasting a fair amount of time) over what would have to be close to half an hour, and show him doing non-essential things like taking his time, or chatting - but then turn around and say "every second leads you closer to death, even a very short force projection can kill you, it's like holding yourself underwater"?
I'm assuming, like any living person, Luke is aware of when he feels like he's okay and when he feels like he's dying. I guess he used his time accordingly to see his sister one last time or "chatting and wasting time."
so despite all that, you're arguing that in ANH Ben couldn't have done a SHORT 3 minute force projection to Alderaan simply to inform them of the DS plans and what's happened to Leia?
Seems like a lot to get done in three minutes after a confusing sudden appearance to royalty. But, no, I never argued against three minutes.
Too sophisticated. Cannot refute your eloquence.
If force projection was possible, Ben WOULD have gone to another room of his hut, and done it immediately. All he's doing is passing on a short, critical message, not taking on an army to "stall for time."
You're really preoccupied with what room he's in.
And you're saying that a Jedi Master like Yoda - who seems more steeped in the ways of the force than Luke even in TLJ (Yoda still seems to be his mentor to some degree even in TLJ) could not do a 10 minute force projection (or a couple of shorter projections, resting in between) to Bespin at the beginning of the duel - half the length of time Luke does in TLJ - to help Luke take on Vader, given the ENORMOUS stakes?
I don't agree that burning a tree for shiggles contradicts Kenobi's statement - be it literal or by purpose - that force ghosts don't intervene.
My point about Yoda dying sooner was because he is older and weaker than Luke in TFA. It obviously takes a physical toll.
"Accomplishing probably Zilch"? More garbage.
Again, dumb it down for me buddy. I can't keep up with your vocab. Shorter amount of time due to physical weakness, less time to get anything done.
And you're also totally ignoring the fact that TLJ now sets up force ghosts with real-world powers - so WHY couldn't Ben help Luke at Bespin in some way as a force ghost? Based on what Yoda demonstrates in TLJ, Ben could definitely have helped Luke in some way in his battle with Vader - a scenario that's immune to all these bogus, contradictory "rules" about force projection.
Didn't ignore it in my last post or this post.