Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Popnfresh98]

Yeah because stating that I laugh at a country's collective movie tastes that celebrates TF 5 and RE whatever is definitely as inappropriate as joking that sweat on a black mean equals slavery. There really is a pack of you that believes this isn't there? I'd be distancing myself like crazy from any TLJ lover who spoke as you do. Sticking to the film itself is indeed great advice.

Well now that we’ve discussed my race joke throughly and I’ve agreed not to make more, let’s move past that.

Are you going to stop belittling the intelligence of or insulting those who don’t agree etc? Are you going to stick to the film?

In your defense, making fun of a culture isn't racism. Culture is something one subscribes to, and therefore does say something about a person's character. At worst it's "xenophobia", but honestly... meh?

Honestly it wasn’t my main point, and I never meant anyone is racist, which is why I never said that word. I wish I hadn’t even said the China part since that’s all that was latched onto

It was the overall belittling thing that he’s been called out for time and time again. It was about hypocrisy of when he said

“Accuse anyone who calls attention to that fact as being a ******** snowflake who insults people”

Considering he does it all the time. Notice how that still wasn’t addressed.

I guess I’ll just ignore it in the future, he’s clearly not going to stop and it’s not as if everyone doesn’t know. Just thought I’d make a go of it

 

[TaliBane]

Using my imagination as instructed by Rian here....mm...maybe force Skype facetime wasnt invented yet...duhhh...lol...I know somebody has got to believe that lol

Saying that force projection and force ghosts with physical world powers existed during the OT - but weren't ever used "for some reason" - is like saying the internet and smartphone technologies existed a century ago, but they "chose" not to use them.

The whole thing is ridiculous. The only rational defense of force projection and force ghost powers is "because it happened onscreen in TLJ and I liked TLJ." Beyond that, it really makes little sense at all in the context of the OT and doesn't hold up to even basic analysis.

The key problem is that Luke doesn't seem to be a guy in a hurry in TLJ - at all - and the force projection lasts way too long for it to be a "careful, every second is killing you" thing (and it's the last thing you'd pair up with for a "stall for time" plan )

And... a great many things in the OT could be solved with even a 2 minute force projection, or a force ghost intervention.

I'm arguing that most of the journey seen in ANH could have been avoided with a 2-3 minute (yes, very much survivable under bogus TLJ "rules") force projection - which can only be disagreed with if you stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes and chant "I loved TLJ".

 

[Khev]

Well now that we’ve discussed my race joke throughly and I’ve agreed not to make more, let’s move past that.

Are you going to stop belittling the intelligence of or insulting those who don’t agree etc?

"Insulting those I don't agree with." Wow.

 

[Spazz]

True enough. As usual Spazz with the closing arguments. I do hate bigotry something fierce though, as you can probably see by now, but I see where you’re coming from in this not really going anywhere. So how would you respond, or just ignore it, out of curiosity?

I've dealt with bigotry directed at me. In my experience, sticking to the facts not only saves you from a life of righteous indignation (a miserable way to live), but also helps to hone your skills regarding persuasive argument. It's win-win. Idealism will just ruin your life. So if someone tells you that you're X because of your race, or tells someone else that they're Y because of their ***, etc., I'd question them. Get them to elaborate, so you can thoroughly address the logic and reasoning behind their bigotry. It will force you to articulate why you disagree with the other person in a calm, coherent manner. You'll actually benefit from the opposition, so long as you can remove yourself emotionally from the context. That's not an easy thing. It's a learned skill that requires practice. Most people immediately emote when they're confronted with a point of view that they deem harmful. It's not constructive.

 

[Popnfresh98]

I've dealt with bigotry directed at me. In my experience, sticking to the facts not only saves you from a life of righteous indignation (a miserable way to live), but also helps to hone your skills regarding persuasive argument. It's win-win. Idealism will just ruin your life. So if someone tells you that you're X because of your race, or tells someone else that they're Y because of their ***, etc., I'd question them. Get them to elaborate, so you can thoroughly address the logic and reasoning behind their bigotry. It will force you to articulate why you disagree with the other person in a calm, coherent manner. You'll actually benefit from the opposition, so long as you can remove yourself emotionally from the context. That's not an easy thing. It's a learned skill that requires practice. Most people immediately emote when they're confronted with a point of view that they deem harmful. It's not constructive.

Makes sense. First person I test this out on... my beautiful wife!

Though in a different form of course.

Although removing myself emotionally might prove to be a challenge lol

 

[Adolfo]

If only in episode IV if Ben had told Luke and Han to crash their ships into the Death Star....Star Wars would been saved...a wish is only a wish I suppose.: )

 

[Popnfresh98]

If only in episode IV if Ben had told Luke and Han to crash their ships into the Death Star....Star Wars would been saved...a wish is only a wish I suppose.: )

They should have got 3cpo to hyperspeed into it.

 

[Adolfo]

They should have got 3cpo to hyperspeed into it.

Bingorama

 

[Spazz]

Makes sense. First person I test this out on... my beautiful wife!

Though in a different form of course.

Although removing myself emotionally might prove to be a challenge lol

Well, like I said it takes practice. Rome wasn't built in a day! But the same applies to any argument, really. If someone screams nonsense at you, ask them questions. Best case scenario, it forces them to calm down and think. Worst case scenario, it makes them even angrier, at which point it's even funnier when you tease them while sorting through their logic and reasoning. Don't call them names, but instead ridicule their ideas, even if they resort to name calling.

If someone screams at me, one of my favorite responses is, "Do you have a premise, or are we just listening to the sound of your voice? Use your brain. Explain yourself." It's like calling someone chicken because they won't calm down. You'd be surprised how often people regain composure when you challenge their thought process.

 

[Adolfo]

Here's hoping the stupid bad guys kill all the stupid good guys in episode Nein....I wanna see Rey,Poe,rose rose,Finn,Chewie,the droids all die...god I hope it happens

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Certainly you’re deciding how Khev’s comments fit your narrative.

I’m just saying a racist joke isn’t cool regardless of the racist joke that preceded it. And then accusing someone of racism is hypocritical.

The fact that you’re of mixed ethnicity, or you don’t have a problem with racist jokes, doesn’t make it less racist.

But maybe all this comes down to internet text reading miscommunication.

In which case, **** it. I’m not saying you’re a racist fir making a bad joke. God knows I’m guilty of that. Maybe we’re all getting a little too pedantic.

There's nothing racist about my joke. It was a reference to a tv show which depicts a historical event.

 

[jye4ever]

What I admire and respect about DiFabio is that he can tear TLJ to shreds like nobody’s business without having to post YT videos of paranoid wimpy men whining about Kennedy leaving 1 billion on the table over her secret agenda to destroy the white male.


DiFabio pulls from his rich cinematic knowledge to deconstruct and humiliate instead of whining that his SW was set up over a woman....A WOMAN!

I’m still team Khev though...

 

[YoNoSe]

5 minutes? 10 minutes? So... let's discuss this then.

Seriously - how long does Luke's projection last in TLJ? 20 minutes minimum (remember, his plan is to arrive, check in with Leia, go out and "put on a show" long enough for a large group to realize what he's doing, escape through a complex network of tunnels, and presumably get into the Falcon)? In reality, based on what actually happens, probably 30+ minutes. He even takes the time to have a catch-up chat with Leia. He certainly doesn't seem to be in any hurry - at all - i mean as if he's dying every second while he's doing it.

I don't know how long Luke's sequence lasts. I would suppose less than 30 minutes for sure. Unless I'm mistaken we see the whole thing from his appearance, entrance to the cave, talking, winking at Threepio, moving to his mark on the battlefield and the duel.

I know they/you have to keep saying "force projection will kill you in minutes" in order to sell why Luke has to die, but then you think back on Luke casually walking in, sitting down to playfully chat with Leia, his deliberate slow/dramatic walk out, the time needed to draw Kylo down from the ATAT, taking time to talk to and taunt Kylo etc.

If every second counted, why wouldn't he be in a hurry?

No one has to justify why Luke has to die. The moment Kylo sees Rey he states that the effort would kill her. Immediately he knows it. So it's stated right there that it can quickly be fatal. That's the script.

It's this combination that makes no sense: "his goal is to stall for time" (which infers deliberately wasting a fair amount of time) over what would have to be close to half an hour, and show him doing non-essential things like taking his time, or chatting - but then turn around and say "every second leads you closer to death, even a very short force projection can kill you, it's like holding yourself underwater"?

I'm assuming, like any living person, Luke is aware of when he feels like he's okay and when he feels like he's dying. I guess he used his time accordingly to see his sister one last time or "chatting and wasting time."

so despite all that, you're arguing that in ANH Ben couldn't have done a SHORT 3 minute force projection to Alderaan simply to inform them of the DS plans and what's happened to Leia?

Seems like a lot to get done in three minutes after a confusing sudden appearance to royalty. But, no, I never argued against three minutes.

That's garbage.

Too sophisticated. Cannot refute your eloquence.

If force projection was possible, Ben WOULD have gone to another room of his hut, and done it immediately. All he's doing is passing on a short, critical message, not taking on an army to "stall for time."

You're really preoccupied with what room he's in.

And you're saying that a Jedi Master like Yoda - who seems more steeped in the ways of the force than Luke even in TLJ (Yoda still seems to be his mentor to some degree even in TLJ) could not do a 10 minute force projection (or a couple of shorter projections, resting in between) to Bespin at the beginning of the duel - half the length of time Luke does in TLJ - to help Luke take on Vader, given the ENORMOUS stakes?

I don't agree that burning a tree for shiggles contradicts Kenobi's statement - be it literal or by purpose - that force ghosts don't intervene.

My point about Yoda dying sooner was because he is older and weaker than Luke in TFA. It obviously takes a physical toll.

"Accomplishing probably Zilch"? More garbage.

Again, dumb it down for me buddy. I can't keep up with your vocab. Shorter amount of time due to physical weakness, less time to get anything done.

And you're also totally ignoring the fact that TLJ now sets up force ghosts with real-world powers - so WHY couldn't Ben help Luke at Bespin in some way as a force ghost? Based on what Yoda demonstrates in TLJ, Ben could definitely have helped Luke in some way in his battle with Vader - a scenario that's immune to all these bogus, contradictory "rules" about force projection.

Didn't ignore it in my last post or this post.

 

[Autumn Thunder]

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I’m still team Khev though...


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You're one of the biggest betas here wtf are you talking about? Remember that video you posted of yourself before TFA? Not exactly a masculine guy are ya? Remember how you whined like a ***** when Solo died for weeks?

 

[Popnfresh98]

Here's hoping the stupid bad guys kill all the stupid good guys in episode Nein....I wanna see Rey,Poe,rose rose,Finn,Chewie,the droids all die...god I hope it happens

Yes, back on topic, this is the one time I hope the bad guys win. Actually I hope Kylo dies too. Just Hux should be left, he has no personality and therefore grates the least. It should be like a Shakespearean tragedy where in the final scene they all end up stabbing each other by mistake, or some drink the wrong cup filled with poisoned ***** milk that was meant for someone else etc

 

[YoNoSe]

There's nothing racist about my joke. It was a reference to a tv show which depicts a historical event.

I didn't get your ref. but making lols about slavery also isn't not-racist because it's historical. Why not just not make those jokes to avoid the implication?

But that's just how I roll. Disregard as needed.

 

[YoNoSe]

You're one of the biggest betas here wtf are you talking about? Remember that video you posted of yourself before TFA? Not exactly a masculine guy are ya? Remember how you whined like a ***** when Solo died for weeks?

Autumn Thunder is checking people's man cards.

Was Walks on the Beach taken?

 

[Adolfo]

Yes, back on topic, this is the one time I hope the bad guys win. Actually I hope Kylo dies too. Just Hux should be left, he has no personality and therefore grates the least. It should be like a Shakespearean tragedy where in the final scene they all end up stabbing each other by mistake, or some drink the wrong cup filled with poisoned ***** milk that was meant for someone else etc

Here's to death buddy ...I always said since seeing this it's the one thing that could save star wars

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I didn't get your ref. .

You're not familiar with Roots? That's just racist, bro.

 

[Popnfresh98]

You're one of the biggest betas here wtf are you talking about? Remember that video you posted of yourself before TFA? Not exactly a masculine guy are ya? Remember how you whined like a ***** when Solo died for weeks?

Lmao what the... This thread is going off the chains

Here's to death buddy ...I always said since seeing this it's the one thing that could save star wars

Yes... it’s time for Star Wars... to end. I’lll drink to that