Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[DarthBakura]

Yep. Lucas couldn’t leave it alone though and simply had his change be a gradual affair, after he let the dark side fully consume him again over the course of the next two decades, following the issuance of Order 66.

I mean, it was fun watching Mace Windu throw down and beat his ass, but people began throwing around theories because they just couldn’t accept what was on screen. Fans have been doing this since the PT began.

 

[Khev]

Yep. Lucas couldn’t leave it alone though and simply had his change be a gradual affair, after he let the dark side fully consume him again over the course of the next two decades, following the issuance of Order 66. I mean, it was fun watching Mace Windu thrown down and beat his ass, but people began throwing around theories because they just couldn’t accept what was on screen. Fans have been doing this since the PT began.

Obviously there were tons of crazy things in the prequels but I agree that that one was a real head scratcher. Especially since AOTC had already set the precedent for his unnatural aging.

 

[YoNoSe]

Ah yes, because making a joke about race after clowns slave joke..

So “he did it first?”

Gotcha.

I didn’t realize Clown was making a slave joke. He’s spent hundreds of posts berating Rey so I guess I just took it as more of his general anti-ST schtick. And he wasn’t all LOL about cotton picking.

 

[Adolfo]

Damn, Dolf, you’re even older than me!

I saw Alan Moore and Brian Holland after the Killing Joke came out and waited for like 5 minutes for the signatures...Mcfarlane really started the craze...the lines really started to get long for him...Frank Miller was also a piece of cake to see at one time...I can only imagine what's its like today....

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Ah yes, because making a joke about race after clowns slave joke is the same as implying the Chinese are unintelligent people who would enjoy movies with more explosions and dumb chases just because they don’t like the same movie as me, without factoring in that life is so different there that perhaps they gravitate towards those kinds of films because they want to get away from real life.



I actually agree with this. It was my most hated aspect of that film. *that* is how he gets that face? Some lightning to the face melts it? And that’s what happened, the fan theories about hiding it are just fan fiction.

So “he did it first?”

Gotcha.

I didn’t realize Clown was making a slave joke. He’s spent hundreds of posts berating Rey so I guess I just took it as more of his general anti-ST schtick. And he wasn’t all LOL about cotton picking.

 

[Chakor]

...dense as a brick.

Every fandom ever in a nutshell.

 

[Popnfresh98]

So “he did it first?”

Gotcha.

I didn’t realize Clown was making a slave joke. He’s spent hundreds of posts berating Rey so I guess I just took it as more of his general anti-ST schtick. And he wasn’t all LOL about cotton picking.

That doesn’t change the fact that it was a slave joke? I’ve also spent many posts berating the ST in all it’s capacaties, but everything being equal, apparently you get to decide what fits your narrative and how this is different?

I mean I’m half black and these things don’t bug me, like they do many others. Everything is fair game as long as it’s a joke. Whereas I’m talking about non-joking insulting of people’s intelligence just because they have different tastes in movies.

Sorry guy

 

[Khev]

So “he did it first?”

Gotcha.

I didn’t realize Clown was making a slave joke. He’s spent hundreds of posts berating Rey so I guess I just took it as more of his general anti-ST schtick. And he wasn’t all LOL about cotton picking.

Yeah, the audacity of projecting that crap on me after making such a tasteless and potentially ban-worthy joke is off the charts.

 

[DarthBakura]

Every fandom ever in a nutshell.

Maybe to a point? It’s always seemed like Star Wars has had the brightest of the bunch though.

 

[Adolfo]

Maybe to a point? It’s always seemed like Star Wars has had the brightest of the bunch though.

Another legit reason why Star Wars shouldn't be "Fu***d with...sacred ground and Kennedy,Rian,Disney opened the Lucas cursed tomb....

 

[Popnfresh98]

Yeah, the audacity of projecting that crap on me after making such a tasteless and potentially ban-worthy joke is off the charts.

Yes a joke playing off another joke of the same kind (I guess he should be banned too? Obviously not, you’re just picking and choosing) whereas you’re constantly belittling and insulting those who don’t agree with you, and I’m not the first to call you out on it, there have been many. I could go through this forum and quote them if I wanted to. Let’s just keep the discussion to the movie, and whether you like it or not, and why or why not, and stay away from insulting those that don’t agree with you in the future perhaps? I have no problem with people having differing opinions as long as you keep that stuff out of it. On my part I’ll not make such jokes if you find them so offensive, I’m fine with that.

 

[Spazz]

That doesn’t change the fact that it was a slave joke? I’ve also spent many posts berating the ST in all it’s capacaties, but everything being equal, apparently you get to decide what fits your narrative and how this is different?

I mean I’m half black and these things don’t bug me, like they do many others. Everything is fair game as long as it’s a joke. Whereas I’m talking about non-joking insulting of people’s intelligence just because they have different tastes in movies.

Sorry guy

My advice as someone who dislikes bigotry, is to avoid the moral high ground altogether. Shaming anonymous geeks posting on a forum for $300 designer toys isn't going to get you anywhere. Consider the absurdity of the last few pages. People defending this moronic film are suggesting that those engaging in "fandom" are dumb as bricks... and yet they're posting on a forum for $300 action figures?

When dealing with bigotry, it's always more effective to handle it as a rational issue than a moral one. Articulate why there is no correlation between X and a person's race. Then, make fun of them. It's more effective. Personally, I blame inbreeding.

 

[TaliBane]

Ben dies about ten minutes into projecting himself to Alderaan leaving the plans completely unprotected to maybe have a conversation. Check.

Ghost Ben can’t intervene. I know there’s an argument that calling lightning to a tree contradicts this but we didn’t see any force ghosts fighting anyone. So communing with nature to burn an empty tree doesn’t confirm anything to me.

Also Yoda probably dies within 5 minutes of force projection. Accomplishing probably zilch.

5 minutes? 10 minutes? So... let's discuss this then.

Seriously - how long does Luke's projection last in TLJ? 20 minutes minimum (remember, his plan is to arrive, check in with Leia, go out and "put on a show" long enough for a large group to realize what he's doing, escape through a complex network of tunnels, and presumably get into the Falcon)? In reality, based on what actually happens, probably 30+ minutes. He even takes the time to have a catch-up chat with Leia. He certainly doesn't seem to be in any hurry - at all - i mean as if he's dying every second while he's doing it.

I know they/you have to keep saying "force projection will kill you in minutes" in order to sell why Luke has to die, but then you think back on Luke casually walking in, sitting down to playfully chat with Leia, his deliberate slow/dramatic walk out, the time needed to draw Kylo down from the ATAT, taking time to talk to and taunt Kylo etc.

If every second counted, why wouldn't he be in a hurry?

It's this combination that makes no sense: "his goal is to stall for time" (which infers deliberately wasting a fair amount of time) over what would have to be close to half an hour, and show him doing non-essential things like taking his time, or chatting - but then turn around and say "every second leads you closer to death, even a very short force projection can kill you, it's like holding yourself underwater"?


And so despite all that, you're arguing that in ANH Ben couldn't have done a SHORT 3 minute force projection to Alderaan simply to inform them of the DS plans and what's happened to Leia? That's garbage. If force projection was possible, Ben WOULD have gone to another room of his hut, and done it immediately. All he's doing is passing on a short, critical message, not taking on an army to "stall for time."

And you're saying that a Jedi Master like Yoda - who seems more steeped in the ways of the force than Luke even in TLJ (Yoda still seems to be his mentor to some degree even in TLJ) could not do a 10 minute force projection (or a couple of shorter projections, resting in between) to Bespin at the beginning of the duel - half the length of time Luke does in TLJ - to help Luke take on Vader, given the ENORMOUS stakes?

"Accomplishing probably Zilch"? More garbage.

And you're also totally ignoring the fact that TLJ now sets up force ghosts with real-world powers - so WHY couldn't Ben help Luke at Bespin in some way as a force ghost? Based on what Yoda demonstrates in TLJ, Ben could definitely have helped Luke in some way in his battle with Vader - a scenario that's immune to all these bogus, contradictory "rules" about force projection.

 

[Khev]

Yes a joke playing off another joke of the same kind (I guess he should be banned too? Obviously not, you’re just picking and choosing) whereas you’re constantly belittling and insulting those who don’t agree with you, and I’m not the first to call you out on it, there have been many. I could go through this forum and quote them if I wanted to. Let’s just keep the discussion to the movie, and whether you like it or not, and why or why not, and stay away from insulting those that don’t agree with you in the future perhaps? I have no problem with people having differing opinions as long as you keep that stuff out of it. On my part I’ll not make such jokes if you find them so offensive, I’m fine with that.

Yeah because stating that I laugh at a country's collective movie tastes that celebrates TF 5 and RE whatever is definitely as inappropriate as joking that sweat on a black mean equals slavery. There really is a pack of you that believes this isn't there? I'd be distancing myself like crazy from any TLJ lover who spoke as you do. Sticking to the film itself is indeed great advice.

 

[Spazz]

No kidding, lol.



In my experience "fans" camp out online while fans (no quotes) go to the conventions and have a good time. The latter are often times much more tolerable.

You've been online defending this film for weeks, now!

 

[Adolfo]

5 minutes? 10 minutes? So... let's discuss this then.

Seriously - how long does Luke's projection last in TLJ? 20 minutes minimum (remember, his plan is to arrive, check in with Leia, go out and "put on a show" long enough for a large group to realize what he's doing, escape through a complex network of tunnels, and presumably get into the Falcon)? In reality, based on what actually happens, probably 30+ minutes. He even takes the time to have a catch-up chat with Leia. He certainly doesn't seem to be in any hurry - at all - i mean as if he's dying every second while he's doing it.

I know they/you have to keep saying "force projection will kill you in minutes" in order to sell why Luke has to die, but then you think back on Luke casually walking in, sitting down to playfully chat with Leia, his deliberate slow/dramatic walk out, the time needed to draw Kylo down from the ATAT, taking time to talk to and taunt Kylo etc.

If every second counted, why wouldn't he be in a hurry?

It's this combination that makes no sense: "his goal is to stall for time" (which infers deliberately wasting a fair amount of time) over what would have to be close to half an hour, and show him doing non-essential things like taking his time, or chatting - but then turn around and say "every second leads you closer to death, even a very short force projection can kill you, it's like holding yourself underwater"?


And so despite all that, you're arguing that in ANH Ben couldn't have done a SHORT 3 minute force projection to Alderaan simply to inform them of the DS plans and what's happened to Leia? That's garbage. If force projection was possible, Ben WOULD have gone to another room of his hut, and done it immediately. All he's doing is passing on a short, critical message, not taking on an army to "stall for time."

And you're saying that a Jedi Master like Yoda - who seems more steeped in the ways of the force than Luke even in TLJ (Yoda still seems to be his mentor to some degree even in TLJ) could not do a 10 minute force projection (or a couple of shorter projections, resting in between) to Bespin at the beginning of the duel - half the length of time Luke does in TLJ - to help Luke take on Vader, given the ENORMOUS stakes?

"Accomplishing probably Zilch"? More garbage.

And you're also totally ignoring the fact that TLJ now sets up force ghosts with real-world powers - so WHY couldn't Ben help Luke at Bespin in some way as a force ghost? Based on what Yoda demonstrates in TLJ, Ben could definitely have helped Luke in some way in his battle with Vader - a scenario that's immune to all these bogus, contradictory "rules" about force projection.

Using my imagination as instructed by Rian here....mm...maybe force Skype facetime wasnt invented yet...duhhh...lol...I know somebody has got to believe that lol

 

[YoNoSe]

That doesn’t change the fact that it was a slave joke? I’ve also spent many posts berating the ST in all it’s capacaties, but everything being equal, apparently you get to decide what fits your narrative and how this is different?

Certainly you’re deciding how Khev’s comments fit your narrative.

I’m just saying a racist joke isn’t cool regardless of the racist joke that preceded it. And then accusing someone of racism is hypocritical.

The fact that you’re of mixed ethnicity, or you don’t have a problem with racist jokes, doesn’t make it less racist.

But maybe all this comes down to internet text reading miscommunication.

In which case, **** it. I’m not saying you’re a racist fir making a bad joke. God knows I’m guilty of that. Maybe we’re all getting a little too pedantic.

 

[Khev]

You've been online defending this film for weeks, now!

I was wondering if someone would call attention to that, lol.

 

[Popnfresh98]

My advice as someone who dislikes bigotry, is to avoid the moral high ground altogether. Shaming anonymous geeks posting on a forum for $300 designer toys isn't going to get you anywhere. Consider the absurdity of the last few pages. People defending this moronic film are suggesting that those engaging in "fandom" are dumb as bricks... and yet they're posting on a forum for $300 action figures?

When dealing with bigotry, it's always more effective to handle it as a rational issue than a moral one. Articulate why there is no correlation between X and a person's race. Then, make fun of them. It's more effective. Personally, I blame inbreeding.

True enough. As usual Spazz with the closing arguments. I do hate bigotry something fierce though, as you can probably see by now, but I see where you’re coming from in this not really going anywhere. So how would you respond, or just ignore it, out of curiosity?

But maybe all this comes down to internet text reading miscommunication.

In which case, **** it. I’m not saying you’re a racist. Maybe we’re all getting a little too pedantic.

Lol fair enough, I didn’t mean anyone was racist either. <3 Lets leave it at that. I’ll stay away from such jokes in the future.

 

[Spazz]

Yeah because stating that I laugh at a country's collective movie tastes that celebrates TF 5 and RE whatever is definitely as inappropriate as joking that sweat on a black mean equals slavery. There really is a pack of you that believes this isn't there? I'd be distancing myself like crazy from any TLJ lover who spoke as you do. Sticking to the film itself is indeed great advice.

In your defense, making fun of a culture isn't racism. Culture is something one subscribes to, and therefore does say something about a person's character. At worst it's "xenophobia", but honestly... meh?