Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Adolfo]

But which one was destroyed, the top or the bottom?

hard to tell in the constant ying yang 69 position they are in

 

[Khev]

See what he did there?

 

[loki2371]

Is your feeling that Kylo and Rey reaching for Luke's saber in TLJ doesn't mean up with the end of TFA? My take on that is that in TFA Kylo had no clue that someone was using the Force to counter him and that he was putting minimal effort into pulling the saber out of the snow until Rey surprised him. Whereas in TLJ he was fully braced for her resistance and put his full might into keeping the saber fron her. Since she is not more powerful than him (despite what some people claim) it was a stalemate and the saber exploded.

Good rebuttal, yet this is how YOU envision it, not necessarily how it's conveyed or played out onscreen. But in that regard, how can you support that Rey should be anywhere near as powerful in the force to be able to competitively compete with Kylo for the lightsaber. He's been training for more than a decade, by an assumingly very powerful Jedi master and whatever Snoke was, while she was simply "awoken" a mere week(s) (?) prior....

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Harrison fords reaction after watching the last jedi lol

Mark Hamills reaction

Carrie fishers reaction

Daisy Reaction

Rian, Khev and jye reaction

Most star wars fans reaction

 

[loki2371]

.....

 

[SNIKT1950]

I cant wait for a Star Wars celebration with Rian's attendance. I think it would be comical to see the response he gets, if he even shows.

Oh, He'll show.

I'm very happy to be back here at Celebration. Just want to start off by saying that I didn't come here to defend my movie. You guys may hate it, as does Mark, and JJ, and pretty much everyone else. I came here to say my movie is a great movie, to me. It doesn't matter if you guys hated it. What matters is that I liked it. These movies aren't for the fans. Kathleen Kennedy agrees with me on that.

 

[JAWS]

Did you just "Cairo Swordsman" my post?

I am glad you took it as a joke as it was intended.. Perfect analogy of what I was I was doing also..

 

[Spazz]

Oh, He'll show.

I think Johnson will say,

"Many have told me that they hated The Last Jedi, and I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU. Also, I'd like to thank Post Modernism, for helping me understand that we construct meaning, and that there is no truth. I've decided that when people say they "hate" something, it means they really, really loved it, kind of like how Michael Jackson decided that "Bad" means "Cool". The Last Jedi was "Bad", you all "Hated" it, and I'd like to thank you for your appreciation. I 'hate' you all, as does Kathleen Kennedy."

 

[Khev]

Good rebuttal, yet this is how YOU envision it, not necessarily how it's conveyed or played out onscreen. But in that regard, how can you support that Rey should be anywhere near as powerful in the force to be able to competitively compete with Kylo for the lightsaber. He's been training for more than a decade, by an assumingly very powerful Jedi master, while she was simply "awoken" a mere week(s) (?) prior....

Well let me lead off with a reminder of a point I've made a number of times before and that is this:

1. The weakest aspect of the ST is in how it explained why things are the way they are. So all any of us can do is take the events on screen and piece them together with only a few vague lines of exposition here and there with regard to why the FO exists, why Rey has the Force, etc.

Having said that my take on the nature of the Force in this new trilogy is that the Force doesn't need people at all to restore things to "balance." Things just always gravitate that way eventually. What people do have a say in is who plays a part in restoring things to balance, but only up to a point. If someone wants to learn to use the Force they can. And that's where training comes in. If the people trained in the Force use it to throw things out of balance then the Force takes matters into it's own hands to even things out. Enter Rey.

I also don't think that the Force takes sides with regard to good and evil. So if the Empire or the FO can dominate the galaxy *without* screwing too heavily with the tipping scales of the Force then it simply doesn't care. However galactic domination tends to go hand in hand with exploiting every advantage up to and including exploiting the powers of the Force. I now retroactively look at Yoda's teachings in ESB about using the Force when in a peaceful and passive state of mind as basically instructions on how to wield the Force without calling too much attention to yourself *from* the Force so that it doesnt rise up someone else to be an "anti-you" so to speak.

It also gives another layer to the PT Sith's "only two" rule. We can now assume that part of the reason Sith Lords don't want too many allies is simply due to the fact that they can't trust their allies to use their power sparingly enough that the Force doesn't "enhance" the Jedi or anyone else as a balancing measure.

Just my take but that's just another reason that I like TLJ so much. A good sequel not only tells a compelling story of its own but gives new depth to previous chapters, not unlike ESB's revelation that Vader was Luke's father. Sure we know that technically that was a "retcon" (even if we came to that realization years later) but it was so well done we all embraced it wholeheartedly.

 

[ironwez20]

I think Johnson will say,

"Many have told me that they hated The Last Jedi, and I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU. Also, I'd like to thank Post Modernism, for helping me understand that we construct meaning, and that there is no truth. I've decided that when people say they "hate" something, it means they really, really loved it, kind of like how Michael Jackson decided that "Bad" means "Cool". The Last Jedi was "Bad", you all "Hated" it, and I'd like to thank you for your appreciation. I 'hate' you all, as does Kathleen Kennedy."

And that’s exactly why the merch isn’t selling lol. The characters besides kylo for me suck ass

 

[Otomofan]

"Yooouuuu goooottt aa f$&^*$&^*iiinng daarrtt iiiin yooouuerrrr neeeckkk"

That scene alone has brought me more joy in my life than all 3 Disney SW movies have.

 

[jye4ever]

Khev doesn’t it feel great not being a paranoid spineless jelly fish lol

 

[DiFabio]

Khev doesn’t it feel great . . . being

What are you getting him for Valentine's Day bro?

Spoiler

 

[Khev]

Khev doesn’t it feel great not being a paranoid spineless jelly fish lol

Yeah I've also been partial to having a spine, lol.

 

[loki2371]

Khev doesn’t it feel great not being a paranoid spineless jelly fish lol

Yeah I've also been partial to having a backbone, lol.

Jye to the rescue!!!!! ....

 

[jye4ever]

What are you getting him for Valentine's Day?




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That’s freaking awesome....I just might and I think he’ll actually enjoy it lol

You know Khev and SW that’s like you and Batman or JAWS and...well JAWS lol

 

[vortex1310]

I like this theory and it helps me with the (seemingly to me) lazy story writing of making Rey all powerful for no particular reason.

Not that I need Rey's power to "come" from somewhere like genetic parentage. I'm behind the idea that her parents were nothing.

I really want to like Rey's character but I'm just not getting what I need to make her a rich character. I understand the common practice is to "go bigger" so the Death Star always gets bigger, AT-AT type vehicles get bigger, Kylo being acknowledged as an unprecedented ball of "raw power" but, much like the final seasons of Lost, if you keep going bigger and bigger it starts to lose meaning.

Do you guys have a theory on why Kylo was seemingly knocked out after the splitting of the light saber? Kylo says Rey just jumped in Snoke's ship and took off but somehow the exertion knocked him out?

I feel like it was an excuse for the Hux scene where he tries to shoot him (which is great) but isn't adding up to me.

 

[Khev]

Jye to the rescue!!!!! ....

And for a second I treated you like one of the big boys who could handle actual discussion about the film.

 

[Khev]

That’s freaking awesome....I just might and I think he’ll actually enjoy it lol

You know Khev and SW that’s like you and Batman or JAWS and...well JAWS lol

That'd be hilarious to give to a girl. Then when she opens the card it has the tragedy of Darth Plaegeuis the Wise hand written in calligraphy, lol.

 

[loki2371]

Just my take but that's just another reason that I like TLJ so much. A good sequel not only tells a compelling story of its own but gives new depth to previous chapters, not unlike ESB's revelation that Vader was Luke's father. Sure we know that technically that was a "retcon" (even if we came to that realization years later) but it was so well done we all embraced it wholeheartedly.

See, that's part of the problem.. How can Johnson and Kennedy be satisfied that "some" people got it?? Shouldn't it be, or you'd want it to be that "Most" people got it? Just some of the many signs that TLJ is a BAD movie.... You can't say it's a kids movie, yet then defend it with the subtext being so deep that many can't see it.

The last movie I remember the director having to publicly defend was the Ghostbusters reboot. Not a good movie to be in company with...

Keep up the good fight!!