Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[RIDDICK]

how can JJ miss? Whatever he cranks out will be fine, just fine.

Whatever he cranks out will be met with "at least it's better than TLJ" and usual "best movie in the series" comments.

 

[JAWS]

Well maybe you and SNIKT can come up with an awesome alternate story that has Rey being the 87th character related to Darth Vader, Kylo turning to the Dark Side because he simply wanted the quick and easy path, and Luke bailing on everyone because if he didn't use his Ahch-To timeshare it would have gone to waste.

It's not that they needed to be those answers (skywalker family etc.. ) but give some kind of reason or reasoning behind it.

TFA was a new start... Promising its own mysteries and answers. Personally I thought this film could save TFA from being a worthless reboot... It failed.

As a stand alone film.. Well its a whole lot of nothing except to move Kylo's story forward and to kill another beloved character (which I had no issue with but felt it could have been done better)

Of course we are all assuming Luke is dead... With these new films we have discovered that the Force can do all sorts of things that we never saw before.. He could be back in the flesh in the next film and the film would not even have to address why he is back.. We would all just say.. "How do you know what a Jedi can and can't do, did the other films ever officially say that vanishing means you are dead?" and these boards can be flooded with more fan fiction.

 

[JAWS]

Since there's really no throughline any longer -- very little story to stick to -- how can JJ miss? Whatever he cranks out will be fine, just fine.

Basically just posted the same thing

 

[Prime Clone]

Ironically the PT was the only trilogy that was planned out from the start. Both the OT and now the ST were made up as they went along.

 

[Khev]

Flying by the seat of their pants and making it up as they go..That is what this is.

You mean like pretty much any other film series that isn't based on a series of books?

You think that anyone had ALIENS in mind when they made ALIEN? Or Road Warrior during Mad Max? Or even ESB and ROTJ after SW? Allowing sequels the freedom to have a truly clean slate can work wonders to a narrative. A trilogy where the main bad guy dies in Act II? When does that ever happen. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

Now I get that you and many others greatly dislike or even outright hate what has transpired across TFA and TLJ but I wouldn't say that that inherently points to a flawed approach to scripting each new chapter.

 

[Khev]

Ironically the PT was the only trilogy that was planned out from the start. Both the OT and now the ST were made up as they went along.

Exactly!

 

[RIDDICK]

I've been on a lurker years nostalgia trip lately, re-reading threads from 2006 onward... Man, people didn't even hate PT. Heck, they were buyin' and makin' PT related figures! Good times to be a Star Wars fan. So much new and cool things to watch/read/talk about, all made, edited or aproved by Lucas himself. Good times...

 

[Craig Walker]

Now I understand why the hollywood critics loved it

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Exactly.

 

[Craig Walker]

Dead on:

 

[morphosis]

It's not that they needed to be those answers (skywalker family etc.. ) but give some kind of reason or reasoning behind it.

TFA was a new start... Promising its own mysteries and answers. Personally I thought this film could save TFA from being a worthless reboot... It failed.

As a stand alone film.. Well its a whole lot of nothing except to move Kylo's story forward and to kill another beloved character (which I had no issue with but felt it could have been done better)

Of course we are all assuming Luke is dead... With these new films we have discovered that the Force can do all sorts of things that we never saw before.. He could be back in the flesh in the next film and the film would not even have to address why he is back.. We would all just say.. "How do you know what a Jedi can and can't do, did the other films ever officially say that vanishing means you are dead?" and these boards can be flooded with more fan fiction.

Force projecting was in the Dark Empire series. They didn't just make that up for TLJ. They did their research. And ever since the beginning, we heard ObiWan say, "strike me down I will be more powerful than you can ever imagine"....and we finally get to see that!!!

I really feel like so many people have missed details either from the original films or from extended universe stuff. I am no expert at all on EU stuff, but its not hard to search and find out things. And not everything has to be spelled out for us to understand. Its like the originals left us with a lot of unanswered questions for decades. I mean one of the most beloved characters in the franchise Boba Fett was barely in the films, had maybe 5 minutes of total screen time and then died a quick death and people went nuts over him because in their mind they could picture the adventures he probably went on in his cool outfit. But who was he? No one knew back then.

today i feel like everyone just needs everything spelled out. They can't use their imagination anymore. If they don't see something on screen, then they can't understand it or grasp it. It wasn't like that with the originals. We never ever knew anything about the Emperor, how he came into power, how he was a Sith, nothing about him for like almost 20 years.

 

[Prime Clone]

It's almost like Johnson and Abrams had a bet to see how much TLJ could derail everything TFA set up!

Wonder how Trevorrow fit into all this? Was he trying to retcon Johnson's work also?

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Boba Fett needs his own movie

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well maybe you and SNIKT can come up with an awesome alternate story that has Rey being the 87th character related to Darth Vader, Kylo turning to the Dark Side because he simply wanted the quick and easy path, and Luke bailing on everyone because if he didn't use his Ahch-To timeshare it would have gone to waste.

Don't have to. Disney is already finding inspiration here.

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Frozen Leia

The cold never bothered her, anyway.

Thank God that theory has no chance of being true.

 

[crows]

You mean like pretty much any other film series that isn't based on a series of books?

You think that anyone had ALIENS in mind when they made ALIEN? Or Road Warrior during Mad Max? Or even ESB and ROTJ after SW? Allowing sequels the freedom to have a truly clean slate can work wonders to a narrative. A trilogy where the main bad guy dies in Act II? When does that ever happen. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

Now I get that you and many others greatly dislike or even outright hate what has transpired across TFA and TLJ but I wouldn't say that that inherently points to a flawed approach to scripting each new chapter.

so the last jedi is comparable to aliens................................. come on, stop pulling our chain

Dead on:

i truly

truly


truly hate Rian Johnson

 

[aa909]

Dead on:

Awesome! spot on LOL!!

 

[TaliBane]

After seeing this again, yeah the abysmal treatment of my childhood hero Luke (murdering his nephew?,) the humor (Poe/Hux thing - ugh) and Rey now as Mary-Sue-on-steroids (ten days from playing with X-wing helmet to out-duelling galaxy's best) are still key issues, but these specific things are what bugged me the MOST:

1. How does Luke's force projection come across as anything but cowardice? It's so un-Jedi like and made me angry. It's also so unrelatable for a SW fan kid pretending to be a Jedi. It also brings up questions like why Yoda didn't do this to aid Luke on Bespin (so unprepared but so valuable as Luke was.)

2. Luke seems to recover from the "drain" of his force projection (in the shots actually showing Hamill.) Then... apparently COMMITS SUICIDE. This really, really bugged me mostly because it was totally unnecessary (as you could argue Ben's "suicide by cop" was necessary)

3. Leia's Mary Poppins moment - her father, son and brother are the most powerful force figures in history. But she's stuck in front of a screen in TFA and TLJ and her only evidence of force powers is a laugably absurd moment that also crosses into space scientific realities that are NEVER seen on the OT (due it being mythic fantasy, not sci-fi.)

4. Yoda (ugh - that puppet) causing lightning/fire as a force ghost - created a load of confusion. Force ghosts were guiding figures who could briefly come back from the afterlife - but the idea that a force ghost can actually do things in the physical world is a pretty huge deal (like why didn't Ben help Luke in the duel on Bespin?)

5. Luke's secret location (and map to it) was a BIG deal in TFA. The assumption was he was on a hidden, desolate island at the far end of the galaxy. Yet it turns out he's been living on "THE" Keeper-of-the-Force (or whatever) island with the tree, the hole, the books room, keepers (toad nuns) etc. Shouldn't this SPECIAL island have been known by Snoke, Kylo - and Leia?

6. Books? Force books? There was never any book, paper or pen EVER seen in any OT movie. These things are NOT part of the SW universe. Yoda - in training Luke in the ways of the Force - never mentioned books. He never had any books.

7. Rey's face-off with Snoke is a literal, beat-by-beat, line-by-line copy of Luke's face-off with the Emperor in ROTJ. Not just similar, but EXACTLY the same. Even down to the TINIEST details.

8. The rebellion (or resistance or whatever) is down to less than a DOZEN people at the very end? Huh?! And why does the FO send rows of ATATs to attack a long-abandoned cave with only perhaps 50 rebels sheltering in it? Leia is there, but why would you go to the trouble? If Luke was there, I could MAYBE buy it - but he isn't.

 

[JAWS]

You mean like pretty much any other film series that isn't based on a series of books?

You think that anyone had ALIENS in mind when they made ALIEN? Or Road Warrior during Mad Max? Or even ESB and ROTJ after SW? Allowing sequels the freedom to have a truly clean slate can work wonders to a narrative.

Those films you mention were not made with idea of making a sequel... They also were not the 7th and 8th film in the series. Just films were talented film makers decided to make a follow up story to a film. Often there are years from the original to a final sequel... SO its given time to be creative and not what TLJ turned into.. They were also respectful to the ideas and stories that came before it.

As for ESB and ROTJ. They at least had one mind that had final say and from what I understand a somewhat outline for the films and they were again.. Failful to the stories and ideas that came before it.

A trilogy where the main bad guy dies in Act II? When does that ever happen. Pretty sweet if you ask me.

I have no issue with killing Snoke.. IMO its the only reason the film was made. SO we could see how Kylo took over.

It reminds me of the last Planet of the Apes film.. Basically it was made just to show us how the the Humans lost the ability to speak.. Everything else was filler.

Now I get that you and many others greatly dislike or even outright hate what has transpired across TFA and TLJ but I wouldn't say that that inherently points to a flawed approach to scripting each new chapter

It comes across as flawed when one film ignores the ideas of the other. Basically it started to feel like it was being different just to be different.

Like Someone else said.. Its the IM3 of SW films.. Having said that I think its much better then IM3


Also Khev.. I don;t hate the film. While watching it the first time I was enjoying it.. When It ended I basically only hated the casino planet and Rose... But I felt the good outweighed the bad.. But on the car trip home I just started thinking about how little actually happened in the film and how it seemed to just ignore what came before it with TFA but both films seem to be trying to ignore all the films that came before it.. Then I started to think of all the forced messages, the waste of Poe and Finn, the awful female leads who were just there to be female and not actual well written characters..

Then came my second viewing were I suddenly found that one of the parts I likes best.. Luke and Rey was actually one of the more boring parts of the film because I now know nothing happens and nothing is answered.. The cool ending looses alot because all the cool stuff Luke was doing was not that cool because he is not even there (much like the best part of IM3 when he saves the falling people from the plane but is never really there which hurts repeat viewings)...

I don;t know.. I still dont hate it.. But it has IMO the 2nd worst story of the entire series but is better made and acted then probably 5 of the 8 films in the series.

So there are things to like .. Just not that much..

 

[Craig Walker]

i truly

truly


truly hate Rian Johnson

Pretty much.

 

[medicomsucks]

Ironically the PT was the only trilogy that was planned out from the start. Both the OT and now the ST were made up as they went along.

Well yes and no. Lucas' outline was what became the prequel trilogy. AOTC had 3 different writers and if I remember correctly one was fired right before principal photography. It wasn't a finished draft before they made the films. That's my main problem with the prequels, I was under the impression Lucas was waiting for technology because that was what he said, but I don't believe that after seeing the jumbled mess they made.

 

[jye4ever]

Even though I didn’t read any spoilers I went in fully expecting to see most of the following:

Snoke revealed as Vader or Palpatine or Plagueis
Rey’s parents either as The Force like Anakin (Shmii the nobody slave) or a Skywalker
Rey or Luke going dark
Hayden Force ghost (based on his celebration appearance)
Leia’s death
Knights of Ren
Rose as the mother of all spoilers being the reincarnated Vader that Snoke was referring to in the trailer
Luke lightsaber battle with the Knights of Ren

None of that happened.

Let me say that again.

NONE OF THAT HAPPENED!

GOOD BECAUSE IF ALL OF THAT DID HAPPEN THEN I WOULD’VE GUESSED THE ENTIRE ******* MOVIE BEFORE SEEING IT.

People here accusing TLJ of being lazy for not doing any of those scenarios.

HOGWASH!

It would’ve been lazy if they had given us everything we had freaking guessed before seeing it!