Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Adolfo]

Col. Klink and Schultz > Kylo and the brother of Ron Weasley

 

[Jme_c]

When Luke told Rey his version of what went on, I remember Kylo igniting his lightsaber first thinking that Luke was about to kill him then Luke ignited his to block his attack. I'm sorry. I know I'm the one who asked but I just wanted to make sure. Kylo is the one that thought Luke had his lightsaber ignited or he was lying to Rey that he thought Luke ignited his first to kill him.

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There were 3 versions of that vision, the first Luke's lie, the second Kylo's version (not a lie but a misinterpretation), then finally what we're meant to believe as the truth is Luke's revised version, which is he went in there to sense the darkness in Kylo, realised it was much worse than he had feared and ignited his blade to strike him down. But he soon realised WTF am I doing, but it was too late, Kylo was awake.

 

[Adolfo]

All Star Wars cartoons > TLJ

 

[noface]

There were 3 versions of that vision, the first Luke's lie, the second Kylo's version (not a lie but a misinterpretation), then finally what we're meant to believe as the truth is Luke's revised version, which is he went in there to sense the darkness in Kylo, realised it was much worse than he had feared and ignited his blade to strike him down. But he soon realised WTF am I doing, but it was too late, Kylo was awake.

Really? That's interesting. I dont remember that but I know you guys are right. I was so tired on that day. Have to watch it again went it comes out on blu ray.

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[Adolfo]

Star wars holiday special > Disney star wars

 

[klwn]

There were 3 versions of that vision, the first Luke's lie, the second Kylo's version (not a lie but a misinterpretation), then finally what we're meant to believe as the truth is Luke's revised version, which is he went in there to sense the darkness in Kylo, realised it was much worse than he had feared and ignited his blade to strike him down. But he soon realised WTF am I doing, but it was too late, Kylo was awake.

And this is an opportunity to point out... Who the **** puts three versions of a same flashback in a Star Wars movie? There has never been any flashback in Star Wars (except for the very mysterious ones when Rey touches the lightsaber in TFA but that was cool), then this guy decides to do three for one event?

 

[Adolfo]

Ewok adventures > Disney Star wars

 

[Spazz]

[FONT=&]Johnson shares his response to the backlash. Here it is, in full:
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"Having been a Star Wars fan my whole life, and having spent most of my life on the other side of the curb and in that fandom, it softens the blow a little bit.


I’m aware through my own experience that, first of all, the fans are so passionate, they care so deeply — sometimes they care very violently at me on Twitter. But it’s because they care about these things, and it hurts when you’re expecting something specific and you don’t get it from something that you love. It always hurts, so I don’t take it personally if a fan reacts negatively and lashes out on me on Twitter. That’s fine. It’s my job to be there for that. Like you said, every fan has a list of stuff they want a Star Wars movie to be and they don’t want a Star Wars movie to be. You’re going to find very few fans out there whose lists line up.


And I also know the same way the original movies were personal for Lucas. Lucas never made a Star Wars movie by sitting down and thinking, “What do the fans want to see?” And I knew if I wrote wondering what the fans would want, as tempting as that is, it wouldn’t work, because people would still be shouting at me, “F— you, you ruined Star Wars,” and I would make a bad movie. And ultimately, that’s the one thing nobody wants.


And let me just add that 80-90% of the reaction I’ve gotten from Twitter has been really lovely. There’s been a lot of joy and love from fans. When I talk about the negative stuff, that’s not the full picture of the fans at all."
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The problem is that Johnson hides behind the fact that aesthetics are subjective. That's not relevant to the majority of criticisms toward the movie. The primary issue involves internal logic, both within the film and franchise.

I'll give you an example. Language is subjective in terms of how we define it. When someone stipulates a definition, we agree to that definition for practical reasons but we're not bound to it. So if I point to a chair and say, "I call these Weebles", we can have a conversation about chairs, calling them Weebles, and the conversation will be intelligible. However, once you stipulate a word as a constant, IT HAS TO REMAIN CONSTANT for a conversation to be intelligible.

If I started using words in this post that I subjectively define for myself, without any adherence to the logical structure of the English language or any regard for how English words have been stipulated, my ability to communicate breaks down:

Flibbidy sboogle flot, em ne hinny begot snivot smelinky chelt forgal smoot!

The previous sentence is essentially what Johnson provided us, as fiction, with the Last Jedi. He disregarded the internal logic of the film, and the film's franchise. As a result, it doesn't function as a narrative! You can't respond to that, saying "Well, language is subjective. I guess people reading that last sentence just aren't getting what they want!" No, it was gibberish. It doesn't function as communication. It fails to articulate a coherent thought. Same goes for The Last Jedi. It's gibberish.

So, for all of you defending The Last Jedi, confused as to why people are so angry, it's because Disney has proven itself to be incompetent. The fact that you liked this incompetent mess is irrelevant. The internal logic is broken in numerous places, so it's a failure.

 

[klwn]

The problem is that Johnson hides behind the fact that aesthetics are subjective. That's not relevant to the majority of criticisms toward the movie. The primary issue involves internal logic, both within the film and franchise.

I'll give you an example. Language is subjective in terms of how we define it. When someone stipulates a definition, we agree to that definition for practical reasons but we're not bound to it. So if I point to a chair and say, "I call these Weebles", we can have a conversation about chairs, calling them Weebles, and the conversation will be intelligible. However, once you stipulate a word as a constant, IT HAS TO REMAIN CONSTANT for a conversation to be intelligible.

If I started using words in this post that I subjectively define for myself, without any adherence to the logical structure of the English language or any regard for how English words have been stipulated, my ability to communicate breaks down:

Flibbidy sboogle flot, em ne hinny begot snivot smelinky chelt forgal smoot!

The previous sentence is essentially what Johnson provided us, as fiction, with the Last Jedi. He disregarded the internal logic of the film, and the film's franchise. As a result, it doesn't function as a narrative! You can't respond to that, saying "Well, language is subjective. I guess people reading that last sentence just aren't getting what they want!" No, it was gibberish. It doesn't function as communication. It fails to articulate a coherent thought. Same goes for The Last Jedi. It's gibberish.

So, for all of you defending The Last Jedi, confused as to why people are so angry, it's because Disney has proven itself to be incompetent. The fact that you liked this incompetent mess is irrelevant. The internal logic is broken in numerous places, so it's a failure.

Him and Kathleen Kennedy should read this. If they don't get it after that, all is lost.

 

[Adolfo]

TLJ=antifa

 

[Adolfo]

Him and Kathleen Kennedy should read this. If they don't get it after that, all is lost.

Liberals cannot pass a certain threshold. ..impossible task for them...being rich makes it more so

 

[Adolfo]

Any muppet feature > TLJ

 

[Adam1138]

It's not just a bad Star Wars movie. It's a bad movie period. Possibly one of the worst I've seen in any genre, and it really pains me to say that. Our beloved SW which I have loved for over 39 years has been ***** of all of it's beautiful history in one fowl swoop.

 

[Adolfo]

Benicio Del toro. .worst role of his career as a stuttering prick

 

[Spazz]

Liberals cannot pass a certain threshold. ..impossible task for them...being rich makes it more so

You know what Adolfo, you're right. This actually is a liberal issue, in the sense that Post Modernism is to blame for this movie sucking. Academia has taught liberals nonsense about how language and communication works. I guarantee you that both Johnson and Kennedy have read Derrida, and believe that we don't perceive meaning, but construct it in our heads. They think we live in a solipsistic world unto ourselves, trapped in the Matrix, unable to transcend the limits of our sensory datum. Most of the nonsense coming from the left these days is a direct result of Post Modernism. Some, if not most of them actually reject logic and reason as being a "Western colonial" or "patriarchal" construct! How do you have a discussion with someone, who doesn't believe in logic and reason? You can't. They exist within an epistemological vacuum. That's what makes the left so scary, right now. It's a dangerous form of dogma.

I don't care about, or feel obligated to obey tradition, so I've never had much in common with right wing people philosophically. However, the left has spun so far off it's axis, that they've become willfully unintelligible. I find myself actually agreeing with right wing people so often in talking about the left, that it took some getting used to.

 

[Adolfo]

Disney=Death of Star Wars for grown ups...real grown ups,not the pretenders

 

[Adolfo]

You know what Adolfo, you're right. This actually is a liberal issue, in the sense that Post Modernism is to blame for this movie sucking. Academia has taught liberals nonsense about how language and communication works. I guarantee you that both Johnson and Kennedy have read Derrida, and believe that we don't perceive meaning, but construct it in our heads. They think we live in a solipsistic world unto ourselves, trapped in the Matrix, unable to transcend the limits of our sensory datum. Most of the nonsense coming from the left these days is a direct result of Post Modernism. Some, if not most of them actually reject logic and reason as being a "Western colonial" or "patriarchal" construct! How do you have a discussion with someone, who doesn't believe in logic and reason? You can't. They exist within an epistemological vacuum. That's what makes the left so scary, right now. It's a dangerous form of dogma.

I don't care about, or feel obligated to obey tradition, so I've never had much in common with right wing people philosophically. However, the left has spun so far off it's axis, that they've become willfully unintelligible. I find myself actually agreeing with right wing people so often in talking about the left, that it took some getting used to.

Excellent post...Disney is destroying the rules that held and binds the galaxy together

 

[Autumn Thunder]

It's not just a bad Star Wars movie. It's a bad movie period. Possibly one of the worst I've seen in any genre, and it really pains me to say that. Our beloved SW which I have loved for over 39 years has been ***** of all of it's beautiful history in one fowl swoop.

Sad! It really was a boring movie.

TLJ=antifa

LOL

 

[SNIKT1950]

Col. Klink and Schultz > Kylo and the brother of Ron Weasley

All Star Wars cartoons > TLJ

Star wars holiday special > Disney star wars

Ewok adventures > Disney Star wars

Any muppet feature > TLJ

#Truth

 

[Adolfo]

Disney is the Lost Ark that is melting good peoples faces