Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Prime Clone]

There's so much negativity in this thread. Where are all the positive reviews? There needs to be a balance.

This is totally superficial but Carrie looked nicer/more regal/less frumpy than in TFA.

 

[Craig Walker]

There's so much negativity in this thread. Where are all the positive reviews? There needs to be a balance.

I really liked when the blue words came up on screen. Best part.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Did it have anything in it you did like? Yeah, I know this opens the flood gates for a bunch of “witty comebacks”....but I am genuinely interested.

I like Kylo.

This is totally superficial but Carrie looked nicer/more regal/less frumpy than in TFA.

She looked cooler.

 

[Craig Walker]

Kylo is the only semi interesting character. I’m sure they’ll ruin him in 9.

 

[xipotec]

I really liked when the blue words came up on screen. Best part.

File under “witty comments”


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[jal76]

Most of the people who enjoyed it left the thread....simple because Any positive comment you make about the film you get blasted...

Also , people make comments on how much they hated something because it wasn’t explained in the film...so you explain it and then it’s “we don’t like that explanation...”

It’s a big circle jerk.....

Just curious for those who didn’t like it or “hated” it .....

Did it have anything in it you did like? Yeah, I know this opens the flood gates for a bunch of “witty comebacks”....but I am genuinely interested.


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This.

 

[matturibe1]

I like Kylo.

He is by far one of the worst characters to date. He makes the dark side look shameful!!! Can not stand him or Rey!!! This is basically what we saw!! I would say this video is better than the actual movie lol!!!!

 

[jal76]

That’s him rejecting the Emperor telling him to kill Vader and join the Empire.

TLJ is him rejecting the fans and his friends.

The character in the movie was rejecting...you as his fan??? Wow this movie was doomed from the start if Luke, the made up character's "fans" perceive the choices that he makes as dictated by the screenplay as personal rejections of themselves...little bit funny...but mostly sad.

 

[rushmore223]

The character in the movie was rejecting...you as his fan??? Wow this movie was doomed from the start if Luke, the made up character's "fans" perceive the choices that he makes as dictated by the screenplay as personal rejections of themselves...little bit funny...but mostly sad.

I think melodramatic is an appropriate word.

I loved the movie, but at the same time I'm happy I could just shrug it off (like the PT) had it been bad.

If I acted like this over a movie, my Wife would tell me to grow a pair.

 

[Khev]

According to vice prez of communications at rotten tomatoes the user reviews *are* accurate and not hacks / trolls etc:

I don't think that there's any conspiracy with regard to the audience reviews. The fact that good peeps like JAWS, Wor-Gar and others who grew up with the OT, loved RO, but still hated/strongly disliked TLJ tells me that it's just a genuinely divisive film. We all have our perspective but to me a movie like JL was a crappy movie that I enjoyed whereas TLJ is a great movie that lots of people hate. It is what it is. If getting a film with so many great and shocking moments meant that it had to be so risky as to turn off a lot of fans then so be it.

Obviously when the animosity is so great and by so many there isn't too much to discuss past "well I thought it was great, I enjoyed it, my kids enjoyed it, bla bla bla."

I will throw a couple things out there for my fellows who liked this movie though. Just reflecting on the OT after watching TLJ a couple scenes take on slightly new meaning to me.

One is Han's line in the Falcon, "Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy. Without precise calculations we could bounce right next to a supernova or fly right through a star." Pretty cool to think about that after Holdo's maneuver IMO.

Also thinking about Yoda's speech about the Force to Luke on Dagobah gives even more gravitas to him helping Leia and the Resistance escape at the end of TLJ. He actually manifested Yoda's ultimate teaching and left his "crude matter" behind. I know a lot of people wanted him to go all "RO Vader" on the bad guys, slicing and dicing and pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky but I find it so much more poignant that he did it the way Yoda taught instead. He saved the day the "right" way and while manifesting a power that pretty much surpasses anything done by any character in any trilogy. But it was also bittersweet and sad in that he was still technically alone on an island and not truly in the presence of his friends and family. Sure he got to say his farewells and make peace with Leia over Ben but still it's not quite the same as if he was fully there physically. And I don't see it as an "Iron Man 3" cheat because unlike when Stark used remote suits to fight from far away Luke did not do it as a means of self-preservation because he knew that his time was at an end either way.

Anyway JAWS feel free to pick apart everything I said as usual but that's my take on the movie and I don't see it changing, lol. When Luke faded away at the end and I knew that Leia would never be back because of Carrie's passing I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Star Wars come to an end before my eyes. Even though there's going to be tons more movies and most likely Luke back as a ghost it just hit me that I was watching the end of a grand 40 year saga. And not because it was terrible and "SW was dead" (people have been saying that as far back as ROTJ, maybe even the Holiday Special), no I found it to be a true and worthy finale.

And now I will step back and let those who hated it continue to bash it to your heart's content.

 

[Khev]

My buddy just got my ticket for January 6 at 3:30! I cannot wait to watch the opening space battle on that screen

Right on! You won't be disappointed!

 

[higgins1989]

I don't think that there's any conspiracy with regard to the audience reviews. The fact that good peeps like JAWS, Wor-Gar and others who grew up with the OT, loved RO, but still hated/strongly disliked TLJ tells me that it's just a genuinely divisive film. We all have our perspective but to me a movie like JL was a crappy movie that I enjoyed whereas TLJ is a great movie that lots of people hate. It is what it is. If getting a film with so many great and shocking moments meant that it had to be so risky as to turn off a lot of fans then so be it.

Obviously when the animosity is so great and by so many there isn't too much to discuss past "well I thought it was great, I enjoyed it, my kids enjoyed it, bla bla bla."

I will throw a couple things out there for my fellows who liked this movie though. Just reflecting on the OT after watching TLJ a couple scenes take on slightly new meaning to me.

One is Han's line in the Falcon, "Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy. Without precise calculations we could bounce right next to a supernova or fly right through a star." Pretty cool to think about that after Holdo's maneuver IMO.

Also thinking about Yoda's speech about the Force to Luke on Dagobah gives even more gravitas to him helping Leia and the Resistance escape at the end of TLJ. He actually manifested Yoda's ultimate teaching and left his "crude matter" behind. I know a lot of people wanted him to go all "RO Vader" on the bad guys, slicing and dicing and pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky but I find it so much more poignant that he did it the way Yoda taught instead. He saved the day the "right" way and while manifesting a power that pretty much surpasses anything done by any character in any trilogy. But it was also bittersweet and sad in that he was still technically alone on an island and not truly in the presence of his friends and family. Sure he got to say his farewells and make peace with Leia over Ben but still it's not quite the same as if he was fully there physically. And I don't see it as an "Iron Man 3" cheat because unlike when Stark used remote suits to fight from far away Luke did not do it as a means of self-preservation because he knew that his time was at an end either way.

Anyway JAWS feel free to pick apart everything I said as usual but that's my take on the movie and I don't see it changing, lol. When Luke faded away at the end and I knew that Leia would never be back because of Carrie's passing I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Star Wars come to an end before my eyes. Even though there's going to be tons more movies and most likely Luke back as a ghost it just hit me that I was watching the end of a grand 40 year saga. And not because it was terrible and "SW was dead" (people have been saying that as far back as ROTJ, maybe even the Holiday Special), no I found it to be a true and worthy finale.

And now I will step back and let those who hated it continue to bash it to your heart's content.

I respect your opinion definitely don't agree with it, however I don't know that Hamill will want to come back to the series. He seemed pretty upset how they handled Luke.

 

[jal76]

I don't think that there's any conspiracy with regard to the audience reviews. The fact that good peeps like JAWS, Wor-Gar and others who grew up with the OT, loved RO, but still hated/strongly disliked TLJ tells me that it's just a genuinely divisive film. We all have our perspective but to me a movie like JL was a crappy movie that I enjoyed whereas TLJ is a great movie that lots of people hate. It is what it is. If getting a film with so many great and shocking moments meant that it had to be so risky as to turn off a lot of fans then so be it.

Obviously when the animosity is so great and by so many there isn't too much to discuss past "well I thought it was great, I enjoyed it, my kids enjoyed it, bla bla bla."

I will throw a couple things out there for my fellows who liked this movie though. Just reflecting on the OT after watching TLJ a couple scenes take on slightly new meaning to me.

One is Han's line in the Falcon, "Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy. Without precise calculations we could bounce right next to a supernova or fly right through a star." Pretty cool to think about that after Holdo's maneuver IMO.

Also thinking about Yoda's speech about the Force to Luke on Dagobah gives even more gravitas to him helping Leia and the Resistance escape at the end of TLJ. He actually manifested Yoda's ultimate teaching and left his "crude matter" behind. I know a lot of people wanted him to go all "RO Vader" on the bad guys, slicing and dicing and pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky but I find it so much more poignant that he did it the way Yoda taught instead. He saved the day the "right" way and while manifesting a power that pretty much surpasses anything done by any character in any trilogy. But it was also bittersweet and sad in that he was still technically alone on an island and not truly in the presence of his friends and family. Sure he got to say his farewells and make peace with Leia over Ben but still it's not quite the same as if he was fully there physically. And I don't see it as an "Iron Man 3" cheat because unlike when Stark used remote suits to fight from far away Luke did not do it as a means of self-preservation because he knew that his time was at an end either way.

Anyway JAWS feel free to pick apart everything I said as usual but that's my take on the movie and I don't see it changing, lol. When Luke faded away at the end and I knew that Leia would never be back because of Carrie's passing I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Star Wars come to an end before my eyes. Even though there's going to be tons more movies and most likely Luke back as a ghost it just hit me that I was watching the end of a grand 40 year saga. And not because it was terrible and "SW was dead" (people have been saying that as far back as ROTJ, maybe even the Holiday Special), no I found it to be a true and worthy finale.

And now I will step back and let those who hated it continue to bash it to your heart's content.

 

[matturibe1]

It's star wars for the millennials!!! I don't see many more liking this crap!!!

 

[FlyAndFight]

... I didn’t hate TLJ but found myself thinking, if this is the new Star Wars maybe this old fossil’s time has passed.

I'm feeling the same way.

It would have been better if it was Leia.

And not Leia flying a cruiser into it, Leia herself flying at lightspeed into it.

I was just hoping to see her decapitated head go by a window that Poe was looking out of...yup missed opportunities for greatness

Adolfo's posts kept me going to the end of the thread.

TLJ's commentary is bleak. Its revealed the first order and the resistance both engage in illegal arms deals, I guess the message to be had is that right and wrong are not so clear? This sort of ties in to obi wans 'certain point of view' lesson I guess. So I don't think it's just for force users, it seems to apply to anyone who takes a side, but what's the alternative, apathy? Oh and save the animals.

Out with the old, in with the new.

This is not your father's Oldsmobile.

How amazing would it be if Kylo just stood under a big cloud at some point, and out of nowhere Luke appears, fries him with lightning and that's it, done.

But no, that apparition from Yoda probably took aaaalllll of his Force essence and now his ghost is "dead" an we certainly don't want Luke's Force ghost to "die" as well?

What a dumb scene. Really one of the proofs in this movie that Rian Johnson didn't know what he was doing, or rather treated the movie as its own thing and not part of complex universe.

I wonder if JJ will return the favor in Episode 9. "Aha! You shat on TFA, so now I'm going to shat on TLJ." JJ makes TLJ a Force vision that Rey wakes up from. None of it actually happened...

 

[JAWS]

Most of the people who enjoyed it left the thread....simple because Any positive comment you make about the film you get blasted...

Also , people make comments on how much they hated something because it wasn’t explained in the film...so you explain it and then it’s “we don’t like that explanation...”

It’s a big circle jerk.....

Just curious for those who didn’t like it or “hated” it .....

Did it have anything in it you did like? Yeah, I know this opens the flood gates for a bunch of “witty comebacks”....but I am genuinely interested.


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I think I have been pretty good at stating what I did like..

Rey and Kylo's interaction
Snoke's death
Mark Hamill's performance
Opening star battle
The Overall look of the film

But the issues are too many to ignore. I have posted enough videos by reviews that seem to sum up those issues that most have. Red Letter Media and Jeremy Johns. Both still liked the film but do a great job of pointing out the major issues. I posted the videos below again if you are interested it all.

What I find amazing is that after this film ended I was sure I would be one of just a few who was really let down by this film just like i was with TFA.. But then I come here and everyone that did not like it pretty much disliked it for many of the same reasons.. Then I watch some of the videos like the one below and they say the same thing.. I am not saying that that makes me right.. Not at all.. But I was just sort of shocked that I was not alone in my issues.

Now I am not fully on board with the "They have ruined Luke" crowed.. My issues tend to be that nothing had really changed from the beginning to the end for our characters.. For all the "surprises" the film attempted we were left basically were we left off.. Every plot point not focused around Kylo went nowhere.. We spend an hour on the island with Rey and Luke and nothing comes of it. R2 had more of an effect on him then Rey did. Finn and Poe's stories again go nowhere.. At least nowhere of real importance as it pertains to this film.. Other then finding out how Kylo takes over the FO and what happens to Luke, this film feels like you could ignore this second chapter and go right from the end of TFA to episode 9.

Some will say.. But Poe learned to become a leader.. Well I thought he seemed like a good leader in the first film.. They had to create a "fly boy screw up" plot to make it seem like he leaned something. Ignore this film and we would find that From TFA to Episode 9 nothing is really different. Same goes for Finn and Rey.. Not to compare it to Empire but think of where that film takes its characters and where they left off at the end.. You cant watch ANH skip over Empire and start with Jedi.. There was real growth and consequences in that film.

Like I said this film exist to show us how Kylo comes to power and what happens to luke after they find him Not that either event really changes the course of the story.. The New Order is still after the Rebels and The Rebels are still fighting the New Order and nothing has really changed for our new main characters since the first film.

But Rey knows that her parents were nobodies. And to that I say so what.. What does it do to the over arching story Line?? She now needs therapy? Like I have said before.. Compare this to Finding out Vader is your father.

Now I know people might say that it was doing something different.. She was not a skywalker.. do we really need to see that storyline again?? I agree with this.. But give us some Drama.. Something to make me care about the next film.. If this film wanted to take a chance it should have went all the way and teamed Kylo with Rey either good or bad... NOW THAT is something we have never seen before and THAT is something that would make me want to see the next film..

 

[JAWS]

I don't think that there's any conspiracy with regard to the audience reviews. The fact that good peeps like JAWS, Wor-Gar and others who grew up with the OT, loved RO, but still hated/strongly disliked TLJ tells me that it's just a genuinely divisive film. We all have our perspective but to me a movie like JL was a crappy movie that I enjoyed whereas TLJ is a great movie that lots of people hate. It is what it is. If getting a film with so many great and shocking moments meant that it had to be so risky as to turn off a lot of fans then so be it.

I think that is missing the main point that a lot of people are having issues with.. Well me at least.. Again I hate to point to RLM and Jeremy Johns video but it sums up what I think are the MAJOR issues with the film.. Which was not the Shocking risky moments it tried to take.

Anyway JAWS feel free to pick apart everything I said as usual but that's my take on the movie and I don't see it changing, lol. When Luke faded away at the end and I knew that Leia would never be back because of Carrie's passing I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Star Wars come to an end before my eyes. Even though there's going to be tons more movies and most likely Luke back as a ghost it just hit me that I was watching the end of a grand 40 year saga. And not because it was terrible and "SW was dead" (people have been saying that as far back as ROTJ, maybe even the Holiday Special), no I found it to be a true and worthy finale.

I only do it because you make it so easy

Actually I do it because I respect you film tastes and you as a memeber.. Plus you are always respectful to others.. If I did not feel that way I would not take the time.. So you should take my deconstruction as a compliment..

I summed up the last of my feelings in the last post I just did.. Just have a better plot surrounding all these shocking moments. I am not sure there is much more to say... Other then I hope I explained it well enough..

 

[Asta]

I will throw a couple things out there for my fellows who liked this movie though. Just reflecting on the OT after watching TLJ a couple scenes take on slightly new meaning to me.

One is Han's line in the Falcon, "Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy. Without precise calculations we could bounce right next to a supernova or fly right through a star." Pretty cool to think about that after Holdo's maneuver IMO.

Also thinking about Yoda's speech about the Force to Luke on Dagobah gives even more gravitas to him helping Leia and the Resistance escape at the end of TLJ. He actually manifested Yoda's ultimate teaching and left his "crude matter" behind. I know a lot of people wanted him to go all "RO Vader" on the bad guys, slicing and dicing and pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky but I find it so much more poignant that he did it the way Yoda taught instead. He saved the day the "right" way and while manifesting a power that pretty much surpasses anything done by any character in any trilogy. But it was also bittersweet and sad in that he was still technically alone on an island and not truly in the presence of his friends and family. Sure he got to say his farewells and make peace with Leia over Ben but still it's not quite the same as if he was fully there physically. And I don't see it as an "Iron Man 3" cheat because unlike when Stark used remote suits to fight from far away Luke did not do it as a means of self-preservation because he knew that his time was at an end either way.

These are points where Rian found connection with the established past. And that was a pretty poignant sacrifice from a lonely, self-exiled and dispossesed man. In fact, he fits the archetype of one of Conrad's anti-heroes, who flee to remote places to hide from the eyes of a 'civilization' who judged them for some crime or ill-conceived act.

Yet TLJ doesn't create the gravitas leading to the final act. The intended audience (in terms of merchandising toys epsecially) is supposedly eased along by the jokes and slapstick humour. In the OT you could say that these things fit seamlesslty into the whole. But in TLJ they are forced (pardon the pun). Rian deliberately undermines the lightsaber handover because he has a different story to tell for Luke.

But, instead of having Luke show his emotions in a more subtle manner he has him use the moment for comedy. In one moment all the reverence for this character is undermined. It's followed up with the jokes about coming from nowhere and his reaction while drinking the milk. The constant need to lighten the mood and ease the tension for the audience is at odds with this lonely man who hid himself away, despairing at the hopelessness of the life beyond his island.

Rian was trying to tell a serious story, something beyond a simple yet thrilling space adventure, but the parameters of the telling are always pulling in another direction.

 

[Prime Clone]

In seeking to redefine Star Wars it changed a lot of what I liked about SW - which was simultaneously refreshing and made me question whether I'll be in it for the long haul.

 

[lttgtimaatisgdaicfi]

Can all of you talk a little more about what you liked and what you hated about this film and then repeat it a hundred more times? TIA