Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

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I don't think that there's any conspiracy with regard to the audience reviews. The fact that good peeps like JAWS, Wor-Gar and others who grew up with the OT, loved RO, but still hated/strongly disliked TLJ tells me that it's just a genuinely divisive film. We all have our perspective but to me a movie like JL was a crappy movie that I enjoyed whereas TLJ is a great movie that lots of people hate. It is what it is. If getting a film with so many great and shocking moments meant that it had to be so risky as to turn off a lot of fans then so be it.

Obviously when the animosity is so great and by so many there isn't too much to discuss past "well I thought it was great, I enjoyed it, my kids enjoyed it, bla bla bla."

I will throw a couple things out there for my fellows who liked this movie though. Just reflecting on the OT after watching TLJ a couple scenes take on slightly new meaning to me.

One is Han's line in the Falcon, "Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy. Without precise calculations we could bounce right next to a supernova or fly right through a star." Pretty cool to think about that after Holdo's maneuver IMO.

Also thinking about Yoda's speech about the Force to Luke on Dagobah gives even more gravitas to him helping Leia and the Resistance escape at the end of TLJ. He actually manifested Yoda's ultimate teaching and left his "crude matter" behind. I know a lot of people wanted him to go all "RO Vader" on the bad guys, slicing and dicing and pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky but I find it so much more poignant that he did it the way Yoda taught instead. He saved the day the "right" way and while manifesting a power that pretty much surpasses anything done by any character in any trilogy. But it was also bittersweet and sad in that he was still technically alone on an island and not truly in the presence of his friends and family. Sure he got to say his farewells and make peace with Leia over Ben but still it's not quite the same as if he was fully there physically. And I don't see it as an "Iron Man 3" cheat because unlike when Stark used remote suits to fight from far away Luke did not do it as a means of self-preservation because he knew that his time was at an end either way.

Anyway JAWS feel free to pick apart everything I said as usual but that's my take on the movie and I don't see it changing, lol. When Luke faded away at the end and I knew that Leia would never be back because of Carrie's passing I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Star Wars come to an end before my eyes. Even though there's going to be tons more movies and most likely Luke back as a ghost it just hit me that I was watching the end of a grand 40 year saga. And not because it was terrible and "SW was dead" (people have been saying that as far back as ROTJ, maybe even the Holiday Special), no I found it to be a true and worthy finale.

And now I will step back and let those who hated it continue to bash it to your heart's content. :duff :D


Aside from the people here, I have yet to have a conversation with anyone who thought it was good. There are things I liked, ghost Yoda, snoke battle, the opening scene, but I just can't look past all those what the **** moments. I expect that from transformers but not from this
 
Yes, pity the world's largest entertainment corporation. And their consumers. For they are being unfairly targeted. And so something... SOMETHING must be done. To help them. To aid this conglomerate battle this small ragtag group who has risen up in defiance. It's a battle just like in Star Wars itself where... oh, wait - no, it's actually the reverse. But... we'll side with the monolithic power anyway.:lol

It's amazing the sanctimonious laziness that so many media outlets have stooped to in covering the "supposed" - yes, always with quotations - backlash. No, there is no actual backlash. According to many news sites it is apparently the work of a single guy on Facebook in command of bots - no, not making this up. And of course it has a... POLITICAL DIMENSION!!

Huffington Post has weighed in with "Surprise, Surprise: The 'Alt-Right' Claims Credit For ‘Last Jedi’ Backlash" (I KNEW Breitbart had something to do with it!:rotfl) and Slashfilm (the um, site where Rian Johnson is an occasional guest reviewer... no conflict of interest there!!!!) clickety-clacked out a queasy article titled "The ‘Last Jedi’ Backlash is Another Example of Fandom Gone Wrong" whose "balanced" analysis has this whiny grade school note to the teacher:

"People on the internet have decided to devote countless hours to tearing down a movie that plenty of others love. And while no movie is perfect — Star Wars: The Last Jedi least of all — what’s the point in taking the fun out of movies? Is it retribution for a ruined childhood or vindication that your opinion is right? Or is all this backlash to The Last Jedi simply another product of the internet’s penchant for knee-jerk reactions and instantaneous gratification?"

Okay, okay all right - EVERYONE gets a trophy then!!:slap:lol

And here's a final impartial pearl of Slashfilm wisdom masquerading as laughable irony:

"Just don’t tell others what they can’t like. That’s the easy solution to all this hoopla. We perhaps can’t persuade others that their opinions are wrong — it’s their opinion after all... "

Vox puts out the oh-so-perfectly-placed-quotations article title: "The “backlash” against Star Wars: The Last Jedi, explained" (they really should just say "alleged backlash" in the headline - it'd be nice and clear) that includes such objective, informed analysis of Star Wars lore as:

"But saying there’s a lot of cultural anxiety around this particular generational handoff is an understatement. And when you consider that Star Wars fandom has long been presided over by white guys, it’s natural this would lead to angry policing over what Star Wars is and isn’t. And that policing can be ugly and lead to toxic fandoms in which people who aren’t white men don’t feel comfortable."

What kind of misguidedly-impassioned high school activist gymnasium speech is that? Um, are we even talking about the same backlash here?

Yep, this situation, which is about a lot of people who loved a mythic story they grew up with being shocked and disappointed with how its legacy is being handled by the largest entertainment corporation in the world... has been reduced to racist hater-trolls whose age, political affiliation or even race has been used against them. Oh, and... "it's just a children's movie!!!"

Oh, boohoo - it's so nice to see everyone (in our vailant media, supposedly known for standing up for the little guy) rushing to the defense of a poor, defenseless entertainment corporation that has a market capitalization of $200 Billion. Yes, it's doughy pathetic fanboys; no, it's bots and trolls and haters; no, it's people who didn't grow up and now won't die out fast enough; no, it's racist alt-righters; no it's people who JUST WANT TO SPOIL THE FUN. :rotfl

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Damn! Just remembered Finn walking down the hallway with his life support suit leaking!! I hate theses TLJ Flashbacks. *****k you Disney!!

Lol, there’s so many bad scenes I have forgotten (repressed?) them until they’re mentioned.
 
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Let's not forget BB-8 tying up a bunch of guards.

Oh yeah BB-8... The cutest yet most evil murderous droid in the whole galaxy!! The way he handled that walker taking out troops left right and center??!!! And then pops the top off as if to say YEEAAAH **** you FO *******!! Yet another WTF!!! moment. Honestly this film is a massive Steaming turd the size of the Death Star.
 
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Jye, new sig right naow. :rotfl
 
Oh and don't forget him "headbutting" the electronics in Poe's X wing to engage the Booster jet. Actually thinking about it, Maybe BB-8 is the last jedi?? He may as well ****ing be right?! anything is possible now.
 
Oh and don't forget him "headbutting" the electronics in Poe's X wing to engage the Booster jet. Actually thinking about it, Maybe BB-8 is the last jedi?? He may as well ****ing be right?! anything is possible now.


"There is... another...Jedi...droid."

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Disney communist revolution Star Wars....kill the force religion that binds the galaxy together...oh wait that is what Star Wars was about ...wont totally kill Star Wars but transform it...Disney will put Star Wars in a nice cocoon and out thru the magic of Disney metamorphisis turn it into a pretty blue smoking butterfly called snowflake...My favorite character now is Palpatine....rooting for the bad guys now and forever, no matter how pathetic Disney made them...Lucas Star Wars>than any other Disney Antifa Star Wars period
 
I don't think that there's any conspiracy with regard to the audience reviews. The fact that good peeps like JAWS, Wor-Gar and others who grew up with the OT, loved RO, but still hated/strongly disliked TLJ tells me that it's just a genuinely divisive film. We all have our perspective but to me a movie like JL was a crappy movie that I enjoyed whereas TLJ is a great movie that lots of people hate. It is what it is. If getting a film with so many great and shocking moments meant that it had to be so risky as to turn off a lot of fans then so be it.

Obviously when the animosity is so great and by so many there isn't too much to discuss past "well I thought it was great, I enjoyed it, my kids enjoyed it, bla bla bla."

I will throw a couple things out there for my fellows who liked this movie though. Just reflecting on the OT after watching TLJ a couple scenes take on slightly new meaning to me.

One is Han's line in the Falcon, "Hyperspace ain't like dusting crops boy. Without precise calculations we could bounce right next to a supernova or fly right through a star." Pretty cool to think about that after Holdo's maneuver IMO.

Also thinking about Yoda's speech about the Force to Luke on Dagobah gives even more gravitas to him helping Leia and the Resistance escape at the end of TLJ. He actually manifested Yoda's ultimate teaching and left his "crude matter" behind. I know a lot of people wanted him to go all "RO Vader" on the bad guys, slicing and dicing and pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky but I find it so much more poignant that he did it the way Yoda taught instead. He saved the day the "right" way and while manifesting a power that pretty much surpasses anything done by any character in any trilogy. But it was also bittersweet and sad in that he was still technically alone on an island and not truly in the presence of his friends and family. Sure he got to say his farewells and make peace with Leia over Ben but still it's not quite the same as if he was fully there physically. And I don't see it as an "Iron Man 3" cheat because unlike when Stark used remote suits to fight from far away Luke did not do it as a means of self-preservation because he knew that his time was at an end either way.

Anyway JAWS feel free to pick apart everything I said as usual but that's my take on the movie and I don't see it changing, lol. When Luke faded away at the end and I knew that Leia would never be back because of Carrie's passing I couldn't help but feel like I was watching Star Wars come to an end before my eyes. Even though there's going to be tons more movies and most likely Luke back as a ghost it just hit me that I was watching the end of a grand 40 year saga. And not because it was terrible and "SW was dead" (people have been saying that as far back as ROTJ, maybe even the Holiday Special), no I found it to be a true and worthy finale.

And now I will step back and let those who hated it continue to bash it to your heart's content. :duff :D

You came with that post, you’re braver than I thought!

I think I have been pretty good at stating what I did like..

Rey and Kylo's interaction
Snoke's death
Mark Hamill's performance
Opening star battle
The Overall look of the film

But the issues are too many to ignore. I have posted enough videos by reviews that seem to sum up those issues that most have. Red Letter Media and Jeremy Johns. Both still liked the film but do a great job of pointing out the major issues. I posted the videos below again if you are interested it all.

What I find amazing is that after this film ended I was sure I would be one of just a few who was really let down by this film just like i was with TFA.. But then I come here and everyone that did not like it pretty much disliked it for many of the same reasons.. Then I watch some of the videos like the one below and they say the same thing.. I am not saying that that makes me right.. Not at all.. But I was just sort of shocked that I was not alone in my issues.

Now I am not fully on board with the "They have ruined Luke" crowed.. My issues tend to be that nothing had really changed from the beginning to the end for our characters.. For all the "surprises" the film attempted we were left basically were we left off.. Every plot point not focused around Kylo went nowhere.. We spend an hour on the island with Rey and Luke and nothing comes of it. R2 had more of an effect on him then Rey did. Finn and Poe's stories again go nowhere.. At least nowhere of real importance as it pertains to this film.. Other then finding out how Kylo takes over the FO and what happens to Luke, this film feels like you could ignore this second chapter and go right from the end of TFA to episode 9.

Some will say.. But Poe learned to become a leader.. Well I thought he seemed like a good leader in the first film.. They had to create a "fly boy screw up" plot to make it seem like he leaned something. Ignore this film and we would find that From TFA to Episode 9 nothing is really different. Same goes for Finn and Rey.. Not to compare it to Empire but think of where that film takes its characters and where they left off at the end.. You cant watch ANH skip over Empire and start with Jedi.. There was real growth and consequences in that film.

Like I said this film exist to show us how Kylo comes to power and what happens to luke after they find him Not that either event really changes the course of the story.. The New Order is still after the Rebels and The Rebels are still fighting the New Order and nothing has really changed for our new main characters since the first film.

But Rey knows that her parents were nobodies. And to that I say so what.. What does it do to the over arching story Line?? She now needs therapy? Like I have said before.. Compare this to Finding out Vader is your father.

Now I know people might say that it was doing something different.. She was not a skywalker.. do we really need to see that storyline again?? I agree with this.. But give us some Drama.. Something to make me care about the next film.. If this film wanted to take a chance it should have went all the way and teamed Kylo with Rey either good or bad... NOW THAT is something we have never seen before and THAT is something that would make me want to see the next film..

One thing is certain you have been the most fair in your assessment of what didn’t work for you in this movie.

I agree with your final review on it but I just find the package as a whole to be more tolerable than the PT.

I think you make a great argument about lack of growth for a middle chapter.

My biggest problem with the movie remains Holdo getting the honorable death instead of Ackbar or Leia especially with Fisher’s death it would’ve just made more sense unless Disney thought it was disrespectful so then go with Ackbar.
 
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My biggest priblem with the movie remains Holdo getting the honorable death instead of Ackbar or Leia especially with Fisher’s death it would’ve just made more sense unless Disney thought it was disrespectful so then go with Ackbar.

Agreed. It would have had a better impact if Ackbar or Leia had made the sacrifice rather than Holdo.
 
Holdo was Kathleen Kennedy projecting herself into this movie.

I don't even care about Ackbar, but from a writing perspective and respect of the universe, he was a far better option considering how he has proven his courage and valor in the past, rather than just killing him like that and barely mentioning his death. I have seen a lot of fans really pissed about that, even among the ones that liked the movie.
 
From here on out i’m going to refer to her as Haldol instead of Holdo because that’s what Kennedy is going to need when she sees the 2nd weekend drop. :lol
 
You came with that post, you’re braver than I thought!



One thing is certain you have been the most fair in your assessment of what didn’t work for you in this movie.

I agree with your final review on it but I just find the package as a whole to be more tolerable than the PT.

I think you make a great argument about lack of growth for a middle chapter.

My biggest problem with the movie remains Holdo getting the honorable death instead of Ackbar or Leia especially with Fisher’s death it would’ve just made more sense unless Disney thought it was disrespectful so then go with Ackbar.
If Leia was a guy she woulda been dead as Dillinger
 
That was a good time to be alive. :lecture :D

I remember at the time the charge that Han shouldn't be able to use a lightsaber, and some kids asking, "Does that mean he's a Jedi now?" :lol

And the day it went round the playground that Vader was Luke's father. :horror
 
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