Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Spazz]

The Last Jedi was an Orwellian Two Minutes of Hate, aimed at men and reason.

 

[Adolfo]

TLJ was like being at the Alamo and Luke was Davey Crockett

 

[ironwez20]

Are you American? If so, your leader is a reality television star who likely has dementia, while your academic institutions are combating him with a form of ideology that, in many ways conducts itself similarly to Maoism. You have billionaires openly and unashamed in telling the general population that soon, employment will be unnecessary and that they plan to put all of you on corporate welfare. And you have people on both ends of the ideological spectrum denying science, one in the name of faith, the other in the name of "alternative narratives".

Things are bleak. I'm not a snob. Frankly, I hate all of the polysyllabic nonsense coming out from academia. THAT'S THE POINT. If someone is messing with you and you hate them, do you ignore them? Bullies don't leave people alone, that way. You have to be scarier than you are, or it's only going to get worse.

I don’t see what this has to do with Star Wars. Are you saying that stars wars will make people question science and things of that nature?

 

[Spazz]

Post modernism was my starting point, the premise that the world is not always as it appears on the surface. That it could not be defined or explored in precise terms as laid down by Marxism, feminism, psychoanalysis, etc. That not everything can be seen as a class war or a gender war.

Hence the method became very useful in peeling texts apart layer by layer.

It could be applied to Conrad's Heart of Darkness in Baudrillard's terminology of the hyperreal. Marlow only became aware that civilization was a simulation by entering the darkness of Africa, which was the real world stripped bare of the illusions constructed by civilization. So on his return to London he now feels the disconnect. He's an outcast because he has experienced for himself a dark reality lying beneath the surface, as it were, of the blinding light of civilization.

(And if this is situation where they put Luke in TLJ, then Luke is averse to leaving his wild island and returning because he can no longer relate to the petty lives of those who haven't shared his experiences).

If Post Modernism is merely an acceptance that different perspectives are necessary, how does the Post Modernist distinguish between True perspectives and False perspectives? What epistemology do they appeal to?

The answer is that they don't appeal to Truth at all. They advocate tolerance of alternative narratives, where each discussion is a safe space. Knowledge is actually the opposite: an attempt to shred every idea, especially your own to pieces by demanding evidence that can be falsified, which means hard, empirical evidence. A Post Modernist would say, "Well, that's one narrative. But we all perceive differently, so surely one person's falsification is another person's validation." It's nonsense.

You're an atheist. How do you demonstrate your skepticism toward God? You appeal to some sort of criteria for what constitutes truth. Otherwise, you're just saying, "I feel that God doesn't exist" the way one feels about not liking Strawberry Ice Cream.

 

[Adolfo]

Ebeneezer Scrooges third Ghost showed him TLJ..thats the real reason he woke up....when death reaper pointed to TLJ scrooge asked if he can have a closer look at it...reaper looked at him and said "I ain't touching that sheet"

 

[Spazz]

I don’t see what this has to do with Star Wars. Are you saying that stars wars will make people question science and things of that nature?

Yes, that's what the director and producer intended. They want people to question science. They want you to disregard the old knowledge, and look for truth from within. Burn the library. Abandon the teachings of the Enlightenment, because it's "partriarchal"... the stuff of oppressive old white men. See why that's a problem? Science is what cures you when you go to the doctor. It gives you food, clothing and shelter. It's how we progress as a species.

Edit: I should rephrase that. Questioning science is fine. Questioning everything is how we learn. However, the movie appeals to emotion in encouraging you to abandon science. To abandon reason as the stuff of old white men. It's irrational, and we should call them on it.

 

[jye4ever]

It’s funny how his auteur crap went straight out the window with this movie. He kept saying how the director is such a visionary and doesn’t bend to Disney corporate nonsense.

Months later and look where we are. Can’t wait for that venom film tho

lulz

The Last Jedi was an Orwellian Two Minutes of Hate, aimed at men and reason.

If I read one more man complaining about “men hate” i’m going to have HT make a man voodoo doll just for me to stick it with needles touched by a women.

Holy crap you are men right are you guys afraid of your own shadows or what.

I just told my wife her existence is threatening mine she has to go lol.....she’s just shaking her head and said Sideshow Freaks.

SJW whaaaaaaaaa

My masculinity is threatened whaaaaaaaaaaa

How will my manhood survive oh noooo.

Jesus how about growing some balls and doing something about your fear of women and covert to a wahhabism muslim already and be king of women you can strike them down with your powerful fist all day long if that makes you feel more masculine instead of just whining about it for the rest of your life.

 

[Adolfo]

I don’t see what this has to do with Star Wars. Are you saying that stars wars will make people question science and things of that nature?

The answer is "possibly "

 

[Adolfo]

lulz



If I read one more man complaining about “men hate” i’m going to have HT make a man voodoo doll just for me to stick it with needles touched by a women.

Holy crap you are men right are you guys afraid of your own shadows or what.

I just told my wife her existence is threatening mine she has to go lol.....she’s just shaking her head and said Sideshow Freaks.

SJW whaaaaaaaaa

My masculinity is threatened whaaaaaaaaaaa

How will my manhood survive.

That Porg has taken over your house

 

[Darkseed]

Bad news Jye...... both your wife and Disney has to go.

We need to band together Jye, we are they!! Disney’s feminist agenda has us square within their sights and the general populous is a mere horse being lead by a carrot.

The world is bleak. I’m sorry Master Jye, we most abandon this journey

 

[Spazz]

lulz



If I read one more man complaining about “men hate” i’m going to have HT make a man voodoo doll just for me to stick it with needles touched by a women.

Holy crap you are men right are you guys afraid of your own shadows or what.

I just told my wife her existence is threatening mine she has to go lol.....she’s just shaking her head and said Sideshow Freaks.

SJW whaaaaaaaaa

My masculinity is threatened whaaaaaaaaaaa

How will my manhood survive oh noooo.

Jesus how about growing some balls and doing something about your fear of women and covert to a wahhabism muslim already and be king of women instead of just whining about it for the rest of your life it will just make you more miserable than you probably already are.

You don't have to be afraid of bigotry to find it irrational. I once put someone in the hospital for throwing glass bottles at a group of transgendered women. He wasn't scary at all, when I was finished with him. That's irrelevant. Being a tough guy or a weak guy has nothing to do with whether or not you're logically consistent, or rational. Bigotry presumes intrinsic traits about people that are false. The Last Jedi made sexist assumptions about "Toxic Masculinity".

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

See how ridiculous that sounds...what I read is "we love Star Wars but hate what 'Star Wars' did to it." Sorry bud, the second they locked in that final cut TLJ became Star Wars so that's what you don't like. More power to you though. Let's be honest though you probably did not really like it that much to begin with...maybe two or three out of 8 movies in the "8 movie franchise?" Does that really make one a fan...? Go get into the Saw franchise instead! This is Star Wars now...everyone from the CEO of the parent company to the writer/director of the previous movie signed off on it...you should burn your Star Wars T-Shirts and let it go...

Are you really this bad at compartmentalizing things?

 

[Adolfo]

TLJ was like ordering 25yr old single malt and having the bartender hand me a freaking shamrock shake

 

[Caped Baldy]

In the Jye household, the pecking order is as followed:

Wifey (ruler of everything, including when Jye is allowed/not allowed to talk, eat and sleep)

Peeping Tom Porg

3D Blu-ray collection

Super computer for creating lulzedits

Jye the servant

 

[Asta]

If Post Modernism is merely an acceptance that different perspectives are necessary, how does the Post Modernist distinguish between True perspectives and False perspectives? What epistemology do they appeal to?

The answer is that they don't appeal to Truth at all. They advocate tolerance of alternative narratives, where each discussion is a safe space. Knowledge is actually the opposite: an attempt to shred every idea, especially your own to pieces by demanding evidence that can be falsified, which means hard, empirical evidence. A Post Modernist would say, "Well, that's one narrative. But we all perceive differently, so surely one person's falsification is another person's validation." It's nonsense.

You're an atheist. How do you demonstrate your skepticism toward God? You appeal to some sort of criteria for what constitutes truth. Otherwise, you're just saying, "I feel that God doesn't exist" the way one feels about not liking Strawberry Ice Cream.

There is a reality for every person. A personal viewpoint based on experience.

But there are also truths, or facts, proved by scientific experiment. Those were not my concern, but getting to the truth or reality of events or the things people say. Where history is written by the victors, to put it to the test rather than accept it blindly as an ideology - the way dictatorships write history, instill ideology and claim opposing views to be 'fake news'.

As for God. You look at history, and specifically the history of religion. And you see how these ideas emerge in different societies, how they are used by those in control, and how they are adopted, absorbed and evolve to suit the circumstances of their time. Thousands of years later you have various sets of truths that people will die for, yet some of these stories and ideas can be traced back to those prevalent in Ancient Egyptian religion. The evidence is more likely that man created god (s) at a time when things could not be explained in other terms. And the idea has become enshrined so deeply by fear and superstition that for some it's hard to dismiss.


And we can take this back to TLJ. The series has reached the point where the validity of the Jedi Order is under question. The truths they held are up for debate, because they have failed. Failed to the point that even the sacred texts must be destroyed. Luke has gone into self-imposed exile.

 

[Craig Walker]

The numbers are in.
TLJ only managed to top RO by $1.1 million on Thursday, and for its first week total made $94 million less than TFA.

This week upcoming will tell us a lot more.

 

[Adolfo]

The Force was thrown into an incinerator and its ashes sprinkled onto the worlds popcorn and sodas.....some ate,some drank,some spit it out in time

 

[Spazz]

There is a reality for every person. A personal viewpoint based on experience.

But there are also truths, or facts, proved by scientific experiment. Those were not my concern, but getting to the truth or reality of events or the things people say. Where history is written by the victors, to put it to the test rather than accept it blindly as an ideology - the way dictatorships write history, instill ideology and claim opposing views to be 'fake news'.

As for God. You look at history, and specifically the history of religion. And you see how these ideas emerge in different societies, how they are used by those in control, and how they are adopted, absorbed and evolve to suit the circumstances of their time. Thousands of years later you have various sets of truths that people will die for, yet the stories and ideas can be traced back those prevalent in Ancient Egyptian religion. The evidence is more likely that man created god (s) at a time when things could not be explained in other terms. And the idea has become enshrined so deeply by fear and superstition that for some it's hard to dismiss.

This is exactly what is wrong with Post Modernism. Reality doesn't differ from one person to the next. You're just looking at the same thing from a different angle. When you get different results, it's because there's something wrong with someone's thinking.

Let's take history as an example. You say that something happened. On July 4th, 1995 you and your friends were abducted by aliens. I call ********. Prove it? You can't, without falsifiable evidence. Unless you have some sort of unaltered video, artifacts and (preferably) a way for me to contact your new alien friends, you're not going to be persuasive.

Suppose you claim that 911 was an inside job, or you adhere to conventional wisdom that it was a group of Jihadists who hijacked airplanes and crashed them into the World Trade Center. Prove it. How do you prove it to me, as an individual? From my perspective, it's unlikely that you can, one way or another. You're just providing anecdotes, relying on appeals to authority. If I can't falsify it, it's not knowledge.

Does that mean history is useless? No. An example of history's usefulness would be social innovation. A group of people attempt to create a society based on, say, consensus decision making. It doesn't work, because everyone keeps vetoing each other. We tried solutions A, B, C through Z to alleviate the problem, couldn't figure it out. Well, reading that account gives you perspective on how to approach current social innovation. You can still learn from unsubstantiated anecdotes, but to "know" anything from any of it, you'd have to falsify it. When you can't, there's no knowledge to be had. You'd need a time machine.

 

[Lakhota]

Yes, that's what the director and producer intended. They want people to question science. They want you to disregard the old knowledge, and look for truth from within. Burn the library. Abandon the teachings of the Enlightenment, because it's "partriarchal"... the stuff of oppressive old white men. See why that's a problem? Science is what cures you when you go to the doctor. It gives you food, clothing and shelter. It's how we progress as a species.

Edit: I should rephrase that. Questioning science is fine. Questioning everything is how we learn. However, the movie appeals to emotion in encouraging you to abandon science. To abandon reason as the stuff of old white men. It's irrational, and we should call them on it.

I have learned so much watching the videos and reading Spazz comments, sometimes I wish I didn't so I could stay ignorant. I purely hated TLJ just because it was detached and disoriented from TFA. Now that Spazz has enlighten me with subjective and hidden messages not only do I loathe it I am embarrassed and insulted. For some of us including myself ( I was diagnosed with antiphospholipid antibody syndrome in 2013 and currently take extreme doses of chemotherapy) Star Wars has been an important part of my childhood and not just another space movie. Maybe to others that seems pathetic or ridiculous, but it was us " Fanboys" that kept this saga alive so that there are eight movies now, so to attack the people that have supported it for 40 years because they didn't get what they felt a true star wars movie is ********.

 

[Darkseed]

If I supported the franchise for 40 yrs and I’m not offended by what was presented....am I kicked out of the fanboy club?