Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Adolfo]

I have learned so much watching the videos and reading Spazz comments, sometimes I wish I didn't so I could stay ignorant. I purely hated TLJ just because it was detached and disoriented from TFA. Now that Spazz has enlighten me with subjective and hidden messages not only do I loathe it I am embarrassed and insulted. For some of us including myself ( I was diagnosed with antiphospholipid antibody syndrome in 2013 and currently take extreme doses of chemotherapy) Star Wars has been an important part of my childhood and not just another space movie. Maybe to others that seems pathetic or ridiculous, but it was us " Fanboys" that kept this saga alive so that there are eight movies now, so to attack the people that have supported it for 40 years because they didn't get what they felt a true star wars movie is ********.

Yes...star wars was very personal...that's how powerful media can be...Star Wars was king....TLJ killed the king...like Elvis,John Wayne and Lennon dying, and dare I say it, a piece of America

 

[Craig Walker]

Wow, even I'm shocked at this:

Our 7:30 showing has FOUR seats sold. The 3D at 8:00 has ZERO sold.

 

[Adolfo]

If I supported the franchise for 40 yrs and I’m not offended by what was presented....am I kicked out of the fanboy club?

Checking the bylaws now...did you originally sign up in Cowboy country or at one of the Disney resorts or cruise ships

 

[Darkseed]

Horse led by carrot 101......maybe it’s true, all of it

 

[Spazz]

I have learned so much watching the videos and reading Spazz comments, sometimes I wish I didn't so I could stay ignorant. I purely hated TLJ just because it was detached and disoriented from TFA. Now that Spazz has enlighten me with subjective and hidden messages not only do I loathe it I am embarrassed and insulted. For some of us including myself ( I was diagnosed with antiphospholipid antibody syndrome in 2013 and currently take extreme doses of chemotherapy) Star Wars has been an important part of my childhood and not just another space movie. Maybe to others that seems pathetic or ridiculous, but it was us " Fanboys" that kept this saga alive so that there are eight movies now, so to attack the people that have supported it for 40 years because they didn't get what they felt a true star wars movie is ********.

I've suffered from chronic pain since I was 12. I often feel as if there's a drill making it's way to the center of my brain. I'm 40. There's a subjective element to dealing with the emotional toll, but in my experience the key to finding contentment isn't happiness. The best way to remove myself from the pain is to be "present", but engage my brain so that it's too busy problem solving to care about what my nerves are doing.

How did you feel, while enraged by those videos I showed you? Were you focusing on how you felt physically, or were you too busy thinking? If you were present, but too busy thinking to care about physical sensation, then I'd suggest you need more of that. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. It works for me. Also exercise, but I doubt that applies to chemo...

 

[Lakhota]

If I supported the franchise for 40 yrs and I’m not offended by what was presented....am I kicked out of the fanboy club?

Yes please return your double chin, vintage star wars figures, Slave Leia poster and Phantom Menace pogs!

 

[Asta]

This is exactly what is wrong with Post Modernism. Reality doesn't differ from one person to the next. You're just looking at the same thing from a different angle. When you get different results, it's because there's something wrong with someone's thinking.

Let's take history as an example. You say that something happened. On July 4th, 1995 you and your friends were abducted by aliens. I call ********. Prove it? You can't, without falsifiable evidence. Unless you have some sort of unaltered video, artifacts and (preferably) a way for me to contact your new alien friends, you're not going to be persuasive.

Suppose you claim that 911 was an inside job, or you adhere to conventional wisdom that it was a group of Jihadists who hijacked airplanes and crashed them into the World Trade Center. Prove it. How do you prove it to me, as an individual? From my perspective, it's unlikely that you can, one way or another. You're just providing anecdotes, relying on appeals to authority. If I can't falsify it, it's not knowledge.

Does that mean history is useless? No. An example of history's usefulness would be social innovation. A group of people attempt to create a society based on, say, consensus decision making. It doesn't work, because everyone keeps vetoing each other. We tried solutions A, B, C through Z to alleviate the problem, couldn't figure it out. Well, reading that account gives you perspective on how to approach current social innovation. You can still learn from unsubstantiated anecdotes, but to "know" anything from any of it, you'd have to falsify it. When you can't, there's no knowledge to be had. You'd need a time machine.

I'm not arguing that each person's reality is 'real'. But it is real to the person who experiences it.

History is the act of piecing reality together from the evidence. There are things we may never know for sure or be able to prove. Therefore historians construct theories for some events, and do battle with historians who have developed different theories. But that doesn't negate the search for evidence.

Adamski claimed to have seen UFOs and had contact with aliens. von Daniken claimed he had evidence to prove the existence of alien/human contact in ancient times, but to do so he had to deny more plausible explanations by experts in particular fields.

Why do people create these false realities? Because people have always created false realities and ideologies for personal or political gain.

 

[Adolfo]

Horse led by carrot 101......maybe it’s true, all of it

Or one of the KK cocoons got you while you slept

 

[greygoose]

If I supported the franchise for 40 yrs and I’m not offended by what was presented....am I kicked out of the fanboy club?

Fanboy club - more like the drama club.

 

[Darkseed]

Yes please return your double chin, vintage star wars figures, Slave Leia poster and Phantom Menace pogs!

Dammit....what if I don’t have any of those. Do I have to turn in a couple dollies I own

I promise no girlie dolls in this collection, I am enlightened

 

[Amanaman]

Hey Spazz, I just want to say ‘thanks’. I consider myself generally “woke”, and came to this thread for some laughs, but I appreciate you taking your time to summarize things as you have.

 

[Adolfo]

This was not a good John Milius or Sam Peckinpah film says I

 

[Darkseed]

Fanboy club - more like the drama club.

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

 

[Adolfo]

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

That was a great film

 

[Lakhota]

I've suffered from chronic pain since I was 12. I often feel as if there's a drill making it's way to the center of my brain. I'm 40. There's a subjective element to dealing with the emotional toll, but in my experience the key to finding contentment isn't happiness. The best way to remove myself from the pain is to be "present", but engage my brain so that it's too busy problem solving to care about what my nerves are doing.

How did you feel, while enraged by those videos I showed you? Were you focusing on how you felt physically, or were you too busy thinking? If you were present, but too busy thinking to care about physical sensation, then I'd suggest you need more of that. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. It works for me. Also exercise, but I doubt that applies to chemo...

I was too busy thinking and being enjoyed to feel the pain, that is exactly the point I was trying to make with Star Wars. It takes you somewhere where you feel no pain, don't worry about your mortgage, and North Korea and WW3 etc. Chemo is sort of like chronic pain you always feel horrible so you don't know the difference between feeling good or bad so you eventually get so used to feeling bad that bad seems better than worse.

Did this movie seriously ruin my life of course not, obviously there are more important things to worry about, but I felt a certain attachment to Luke. maybe it was the 5 year old me playing with my Star Wars figures in front of my parents TV watching He-man, and GiJoe. Maybe my resentment of the movie is purely emotional in my own head because I am constantly chasing the nostalgia that will never be replicated. Maybe my disease has made me so bitter that nothing would make me happy?

 

[Adolfo]

Fanboy club - more like the drama club.

When Chewie starts wearing and dress and salutes Ray and second in command general Porg wingnuts...are you going to put it in the Avatar

 

[greygoose]

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Aslong as they stay locked up, good luck to them.

 

[greygoose]

When Chewie starts wearing and dress and salutes Ray and second in command general Porg wingnuts...are you going to put it in the Avatar

Might do now yeah.

 

[Adolfo]

Might do now yeah.

Chewiest deserves his own ship in charge...

 

[jye4ever]

That Porg has taken over your house

I keep forgetting that i’m on the world wide web.

The person I could be having a discussion with could actually be a sharia law or wahhabism following muslim scholar or Nazi scholar or name any other extreme group scholar.

Just because one is an extremist does not mean they can’t be a well educated scholar who can easily out word me at the drop of a hat.

Remember my anger and frustration at Kathleen Kennedy is not her message those girl tshirt powers don’t bother me one bit I never feel like someone is forcing something down my throat because my self worth as a man and father and my actions in life are too strong to be offended by that nonsense my problem with Kennedy is that she turned SW into a huge magnet and made it the battle ground for all of this silly bickering and didn’t do it well I might add.

If you’re going to make SW the battle ground for an ideological battle then you better be sure to do it right or don’t do it all.

Humans will be humans so the ideology battle will now take center stage and become more important than a fun SW movie meant for families to enjoy so now SW is as much political as the freaking presidential elections so much so that RT fan score actually matches the election results in this country!

So thank you Kathleen Kennedy for bringing this stuff in a sloppy manner to SW so instead of kids enjoying SW they have to listen to their parents hating on other parents now great job.

In case you’re wondering let me tell you about myself i’ve never done that before here even at over 61k posts so consider yourself very fortunate adolfo lol.

I am not a liberal or conservative nor do I subscribe to a particular religion even though I do have faith in something bigger than me.

I was not born in the United States proudly got my citizenship in 1997 fluent in multiple languages studied multiple cultures in my travels and then finally decided to pull from all the good qualities from most ideologies that spoke to me and discarded the bad in them.

So I am both a conservative and a liberal (yes you read that right your eyes are not playing tricks on you it’s actually freaking possible can you believe it) that studies multiple religions and it pains me to see two very powerfull ideologies tearing each other to shreds so much so that the ONLY solution they leave for themselves and their kids for crying out loud is a physical civil war were death will be the only solution to settle their differences.

Shame really.

I did not serve in the US military but I proudly served society as a medic for 25 years before retiring worked ground zero when it happened and just thru sheer luck even served on the Vice Presidential motorcade detail the highlight of my career obviously.

One of my brothers however was a USAF fighter pilot for a long time and thankfully made it out ok and went on to have a very successfull career outside of the military BUT because of the military.

That’s one of his fighter helmets I wore in the movie I made called Cannibal Campout lulz.

Had I not had a son I would’ve just done a Luke and retired on the side of a mountain in the Andes because the reality is there is no changing these differences certainly not by me when much more powerful people in the world are keeping those differences alive and well for very specific reasons so yeah I was going to turn into coward Luke and run away like a ***** lol.

But instead I got married and had a son so that changes everything so now i’m going to remain in the fight for him.

Then again he just might get to an age and say mom dad about that mountain hut you own can we go.

I have electricity there so my bluray player will work just fine but no UPS delivery i’ll have to drive 2 hours for that lol

There you happy cocoon man!

In the Jye household, the pecking order is as followed:

Wifey (ruler of everything, including when Jye is allowed/not allowed to talk, eat and sleep)

Peeping Tom Porg

3D Blu-ray collection

Super computer for creating lulzedits

Jye the servant

So true my wife is such a ***** lol