Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Asta]

What test? Post Modernism doesn't have criteria for what constitutes coherence. That's the problem. They make claims about epistemology without having one. You can't just make statements in a vacuum, and be persuasive.

That's why I said I wasn't a post modernist. I added an extra bit in the post following that:

(You could also do a Marxist reading of a work without being a Marxist).


It was the starting point, a jumping off point if you will.

View the world/text from a new perspective, which isn't defined by set ideologies, and accept that there are multiple possibilities. The alternative is to dissect every text according to a religious devotion to one ideology or another, which necessarily guides the outcome because there's a politicial motivation.

I'm not, and wasn't, concerned with how post modernism views science. It was the History degree that guided the process of the English degree, and vice versa. From the process of writing about history comes the denial of absolutes. There are certain things that you cannot claim to be absolutely true, because we don't have enough (or any) evidence to establish it. You form theories from sifting through evidence, and making judgements as best you can based on what you have access to.

It's not post modernism, but a common sense approach.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Cant wait to add this to my collection

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"Ages WTF and up"

 

[Centurion]

jye, I need a new sig bud!

Can you get Luke in this group milking some teet? .....

 

[JAWS]

I actually think once there’s some distance from the hoopla of the release this movie will fall on the side of a quality SW release.

I’m referring to those who are on the fence about it I think they’re going to say to themselves:

“You know i’ve had time to properly digest this movie away from the forum shenanigans and you know what the strengths really do outweigh the negatives i’m giving Disney my money and adding the bluray to my collection and Khev, Zach, punisher and jye must be geniuses for having liked this movie from day one even in the midst of milking memes that made no sense because Luke grew up on a farm and all of those Hamill interviews used to make it to show that he hated TLJ when in reality they just don’t understand Hamill the actor and they were even able to ignore Snikt’s rants because he didn’t get Count Dracula Snoke on his chocolate cereal box.”

Yeah I think that’s going to happen lol

Don’t worry about me i’m protected from all of those negative ninnies by Khev’s super strong Hoth level force field.

Oh and kara also liked it overall so we’re in really good shape.

But we do need to go on a rescue mission for JAWS though but I warn you it will be very dangerous as he’s suffering from stockholm syndrome. He’s been Patty Hearsed lol.

He’s in love with the forum’s TLJ negative ideologies they even brain washed him to think AOTC > TLJ yikes yes that bad!

But we leave no good member behind.

You ready for this Patty Hearst used to be my sisters boss lol.

Nope... By March all you fans of this film will realize its the one Star Wars film in the entire series that you can ignore and skip and really not effect the following film... Only other film that comes close is AOTC... Ok I guess we could probably ignore TPM.. We just need to know where Anikan came from

You will all see it for what it is.... A Pretty but an emotionless film that had some nice moments but really added nothing to the new characters

Oh and Teats

 

[Khev]

Slow poke lol



lol



Well they never said ALL RICH are evil did they.

Wasn’t it odd though how TFA ends with a HUGE victory for the resistance with the destruction of Starkiller base yet TLJ starts with the FO powerful again and the resistance small and fragile like you said.

It even said in the crawl that the FO was gaining strength.

I accept the resistance small they lost their planets but the FO big and strong weird.

Great review btw.



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With a post like that makes me happy you returned from your self imposed exhile on Dairy Queen Island and misfits porgs.



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Well said Mr. Channing.



Oh my.



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Well said but with SW 77 it was actually new to us but the world they inhabited looked so old and used.

The theater I saw SW summer of 77, ESB 80 and ROTJ 83 is now a Pier 1 Import and Applebees.



Hnnng



lol



Is Fett’s butt on fire?



Pure genius this kara is. You must have a PhD in the study of Spazz.



lol true



I think that’s a fair criticism.



I knew Lucas was still involved.



I like that name Kira. Khevira



She looks like the Rankin Bass Little Drummer Boy there.



Nope I still like it just messing with JAWS and Khev.

I will like this movie until my demise.

Oh **** BUS!



That sounds great, another!




Go tell Grace she said in her Oceans 8 trailer analysis that if you’re going to have women in these lead roles like Rey they need to be as competent as their male counterparts or else what are you saying about women.

You have poor taste in women.

Now that is one epic multiquote!

 

[Centurion]

"Ages WTF and up"

Yeah that was good. LOL!

They should have been more creative with the model number though (upper left of box).

Should have been Model: FRSH-SQZ

 

[Wor-Gar]

I actually think once there’s some distance from the hoopla of the release this movie will fall on the side of a quality SW release.

Now i’m not saying that Wor-Gar, DiFabio and Adolfo are going to wake up in March and find themselves all of a sudden loving TLJ, nope not going to happen.

I’m referring to those who are on the fence about it I think they’re going to say to themselves:

“You know i’ve had time to properly digest this movie away from the forum shenanigans and you know what the strengths really do outweigh the negatives i’m giving Disney my money and adding the bluray to my collection and Khev, Zach, punisher and jye must be geniuses for having liked this movie from day one even in the midst of milking memes that made no sense because Luke grew up on a farm and all of those Hamill interviews used to make it to show that he hated TLJ when in reality they just don’t understand Hamill the actor and they were even able to ignore Snikt’s rants because he didn’t get Count Dracula Snoke on his chocolate cereal box.”

Yeah I think that’s going to happen lol

Don’t worry about me i’m protected from all of those negative ninnies by Khev’s super strong Hoth level force field.

Oh and kara also liked it overall so we’re in really good shape.

But we do need to go on a rescue mission for JAWS though but I warn you it will be very dangerous as he’s suffering from stockholm syndrome. He’s been Patty Hearsed lol.

He’s in love with the forum’s TLJ negative ideologies they even brain washed him to think AOTC > TLJ yikes yes that bad!

But we leave no good member behind.

You ready for this Patty Hearst used to be my sisters boss lol.

Wow, even I'm shocked at this:

Our 7:30 showing has FOUR seats sold. The 3D at 8:00 has ZERO sold.

Yep, people do have other things to do during the holiday season -- its not instant cash time for Star Wars for kiddies. They can just as happily play video games of better Star Wars at home.

 

[JAWS]

So I watched RO last night and could not get over how much better it is then TLJ in every way... Watching it made me even more frustrated with TLJ


But man what a great film RO is.. I find myself loving and caring for those characters more and more each time I watch it..

Maybe that will happen with the Last Jedi..... ......................

 

[Khev]

I actually think once there’s some distance from the hoopla of the release this movie will fall on the side of a quality SW release.

I’m referring to those who are on the fence about it I think they’re going to say to themselves:

“You know i’ve had time to properly digest this movie away from the forum shenanigans and you know what the strengths really do outweigh the negatives i’m giving Disney my money and adding the bluray to my collection and Khev, Zach, punisher and jye must be geniuses for having liked this movie from day one even in the midst of milking memes that made no sense because Luke grew up on a farm and all of those Hamill interviews used to make it to show that he hated TLJ when in reality they just don’t understand Hamill the actor and they were even able to ignore Snikt’s rants because he didn’t get Count Dracula Snoke on his chocolate cereal box.”

Yep and "Wow I just watched ESB and totally forgot that that movie had ships dropping bombs in space and Luke trying to commit suicide. Why did I ever take part in all those crazy rants against the awesome TLJ."

 

[jye4ever]

TLJ Luke needed no saving but Clown did good nonetheless and there's hope for him yet.

Consider this jye:

One of my favorite aspects of TLJ was how Luke not only fulfilled but transcended the teachings of Yoda going all the way back to ESB.

Once again his sister was in danger but look how he handled it this time. When Leia needed him in ESB Yoda said "Luke do not go." In TLJ he never left the island. In ESB Yoda lectured him about being a luminous being. In TLJ he left his "crude matter" behind. In ESB Yoda said that he would not need his weapons and that a Jedi uses his powers for knowledge and defense, never attack. In TLJ he did not face Kylo Ren with a real lightsaber and did not fight to kill him, only to defend and allow the Resistance to escape.

He perfectly fulfilled the core of Yoda's teachings while finally surpassing not only both of his own teachers but all other Force users who have ever appeared on film. If Luke was capable of manifesting himself as an astral projection that could interact with his environment then I can't really imagine there being anything that he couldn't accomplish. He achieved the pinnacle of Jedi abilities and I understand the dramatic need for that to coincide with his death because otherwise he would have been unstoppable and inescapable. But what a send-off and with the entire First Order watching no less.

You know Khev I thought WE NEEDED a lightsaber Vader moment for Luke.

My eyes were not open forgetting Luke’s rich history from the OT.

Luke NOT getting a Vader lightsaber moment only makes Vader’s that much more special for THAT particular aggressive evil character.

That’s not Luke.

Also his battle with Vader and the Emperor in ROTJ was in isolation the complete opposite like you said in front of everyone to behold in TLJ.

 

[Centurion]

Yep, people do have other things to do during the holiday season -- its not instant cash time for Star Wars for kiddies. They can just as happily play video games of better Star Wars at home.

Battlefront 2 is not doing any better than TLJ. LOL!

Not a good year for Star Wars.

 

[Khev]

But man what a great film RO is.. I find myself loving and caring for those characters more and more each time I watch it..

Backpedaling on the PT being better than TLJ and now singing RO's praises. Soon were journey back to the light will be complete.

 

[Centurion]

So I watched RO last night and could not get over how much better it is then TLJ in every way... Watching it made me even more frustrated with TLJ


But man what a great film RO is.. I find myself loving and caring for those characters more and more each time I watch it..

Maybe that will happen with the Last Jedi..... ......................

Yes! Exactly! Rogue One was awesome and I can watch that one over and over.

I'll delete your last sentence from my memory.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Cant wait to add this to my collection

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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Millennials will LOVE this since they understand sucking at the teat through adulthood.

But man what a great film RO is..

Yes, yes, my good man... RO is everything the ST is not. Put simply: good.

 

[Khev]

You know Khev I thought WE NEEDED a lightsaber Vader moment for Luke.

My eyes were not open forgetting Luke’s rich history from the OT.

Luke NOT getting a Vader lightsaber moment only makes Vader’s that much more special for THAT particular aggressive evil character.

That’s not Luke.

Also his battle with Vader and the Emperor in ROTJ was in isolation the complete opposite like you said in front of everyone to behold.

Exactly! I thought that I wanted Luke to have an "RO Vader" moment while Johnson instead wisely gave us a "TLJ Luke" moment. Two contrasting yet perfect send-offs that were appropriate to each character.

 

[jye4ever]

So I watched RO last night and could not get over how much better it is then TLJ in every way... Watching it made me even more frustrated with TLJ


But man what a great film RO is.. I find myself loving and caring for those characters more and more each time I watch it..

Maybe that will happen with the Last Jedi..... ......................

You really are impossible you know that.

I was wrong for thinking this was going to be as easy as Kong was lol

Yes RO is something you me and Khev love.

****ing DiFabio why does he have have so much darkness in his heart.

I mean even Wor-Gar likes RO and that muther****er is cold as Val Kilmer Top Gun ice.

With each new post I think Khev and I will pull JAWS closer to us than Wor but nope lol

Yep and "Wow I just watched ESB and totally forgot that that movie had ships dropping bombs in space and Luke trying to commit suicide. Why did I ever take part in all those crazy rants against the awesome TLJ."

If you hate TLJ it would be the BIGGEST TROLL maneuver in the history of this forum ever lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

I mean even Wor-Gar likes RO and that muther****er is cold as Val Kilmer Top Gun ice.

Ice, Ice, baby...

 

[Spazz]

That's why I said I wasn't a post modernist. I added an extra bit in the post following that:

(You could also do a Marxist reading of a work without being a Marxist).


It was the starting point, a jumping off point if you will.

View the world/text from a new perspective, which isn't defined by set ideologies, and accept that there are multiple possibilities. The alternative is to dissect every text according to a religious devotion to one ideology or another, which necessarily guides the outcome because there's a politicial motivation.

I'm not, and wasn't, concerned with how post modernism views science. It was the History degree that guided the process of the English degree, and vice versa. From the process of writing about history comes the denial of absolutes. There are certain things that you cannot claim to be absolutely true, because we don't have enough (or any) evidence to establish it. You form theories from sifting through evidence, and making judgements as best you can based on what you have access to.

It's not post modernism, but a common sense approach.

I would argue that there is no certainty, ever. There is no absolute truth that can be understood, ever. However, that doesn't mean that there are Truths, plural, or that falsehood doesn't exist, or that there's no criteria for discerning falsehood. Science, or "Critical Rationalism" isn't about obtaining certainty. Knowledge is about leading with your best theory, with the prerequisite that it's based on falsifiable evidence. The reason this is called Rationalism and not Empiricism is because the emphasis in on your abstract logical model, though it's hinged on a foundation of tangible evidence.

When understanding history, this is no different. I'm not left wing (I'm an anti-political Nihilist), and I disagree with Chomsky regarding his historical analysis. He, like every other historian appeals to authority in citing primary sources as irrefutable evidence. It's not falsifiable, so I'd argue it's not knowledge. Likewise, I disagree with Chomsky about morality. He'd say morality is a brute fact. I say there are no brute facts. So I'm no fan of Chomsky. However, he's right when he says that Post Modernism is problematic in treating "perspective' as being irreconcilable with objective truth and falsehood. The entire approach is deeply flawed. Critical Rationalism, or Science, is the perfect account of how we learn. It's irrefutable, because it gets results, it has explanatory power in predicting and accounting for those results, and has an internal logical consistency. It corresponds with our perceptions and makes sense.

The Post Modernist approach, on the other hand, is to project onto history, or project onto a text, while speculating as to the intentions of the author (when contradicting the author's explicit statement of intent, this because an implicit, psycho-analysis...). None of these claims can be falsified, so they're useless.

 

[Khev]

If you hate TLJ it would be the BIGGEST TROLL maneuver in thus forum ever lol

True but I could never be capable of that. My passion for SW is too strong and my true feelings (good or bad) will always be on my sleeve.

 

[jye4ever]

Ice, Ice, baby...

Rollin in my 5 point 0

Wait that’s 5 point zero I meant 5 point O there you go.

True but I could never be capable of that. My passion for SW is too strong and my true feelings (good or bad) will always be on my sleeve.

Christ now even Centurion hates TLJ.

FML.

Cent is wrong about BF2 as well

Fun game with epic SW moments!

Like this one look what i’m doing right now lol