Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Asta]

She can milk my one and only udder all day long

Mark's first in line though.

 

[crows]

Mark's first in line though.

There's two hands right? Me and mark can share, while we stare furiously at each other

 

[Asta]

There's two hands right? Me and mark can share, while we stare furiously at each other

Two hands, yes.

But she'll be holding the (Santa) sack with one.

 

[crows]

I shall get the feet then

 

[ironwez20]

Shouldn’t you guys go to sleep before santa comes?

 

[Popnfresh98]

Merry xmas to all you weirdos!

 

[crows]

Shouldn’t you guys go to sleep before santa comes?

Im gonna try to catch him

 

[Captain Clown]

Happy Life Day.

 

[chewblacca]

Happy Festivus!

 

[crows]

 

[Ropen]

Your last sentence is very critical towards this whole women of power emasculating men.

I’ll say this again and it fits into your last sentence.

Holdo died recognizing that Poe was the true spark and leader the rebellion needed to get the job done, she died so the man could rise and lead.

But everyone focusses on a woman putting a man in his place in a prior scene.

This fits the whole entire women in infantry, I am all for them, but in the end a lot realized they could not keep up.

Holdo wasnt needed either. The character was pointless. Her whole arc is pointless.
Both rose and holdo are unnecessary and pointless and they took the place of other established characters that could have done what they did

I could have shed a tear if holdo was introduced with TFA, but Hey im next in command, etc, etc oh bye who cares, you took the easy way out, If Leia did it, I would have been crying like a *****.

Even if Rose was NOT into protecting animals they would’ve still needed to free those animals to cause the diversion, the cover and use it as their ride out of there while knocking the cops over. They certaibly weren’t going to knock over 5 cops with the slave children.

So regardless if Rose is preaching about being an animal lover or not the end result is the same.

Animals would have needed to be freed and NOT the children which was your main gripe in your never ending desire to be ****ing miserable and paranoid about life all the damn time lol

This is awesome, in the theater I felt empty, like why did I watch this...

Same to you blackmask.

My wish from Santa never comes true anyways......world wide nuclear holocaust or our sun going super nova.

****ing Santa.

Like my new Sig lol

For once I concur with everything you said!

Holy crap this movie is already at 746 million in just 10 days who does that not anyone else that doesn’t have SW in their title that’s for certain.

What Crows replied!

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[Adam1138]

RO did the female lead hero perfectly.. Gave us a great line also.... She was the Best soldier in Saw Gerrera's story.

Having strong female characters is fine / hero is fine.. But not at the expense of story.. Rey not "earning her powers is the issue people have the issue with.. Not that she is female.

Yes female hero's are kinda new (in the big picture) But there have been many Kick Ass woman in movies recently.. Atomic Blond, The Matrix, Black Widow, Fury Road, Aliens, ALIEN 3, Terminator 2, The Fast and Furious films, Hunger Games, Kick Ass, Kill Bill, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Resident Evil, Salt, Laura Croft, Underworld, Buffy, The Fifth Element, Several Different Bond Woman, Wonder Woman.... And Leia was a BAD ASS in SW and TESB

Its been going on for a while.. Like I said RO is a great example of having no issue in our SW films.. Rey has the Mary Sue issue right now...

/\ Very well put!

 

[crows]

This fits the whole entire women in infantry, I am all for them, but in the end a lot realized they could not keep up.



I could have shed a tear if holdo was introduced with TFA, but Hey im next in command, etc, etc oh bye who cares, you took the easy way out, If Leia did it, I would have been crying like a *****.



This is awesome, in the theater I felt empty, like why did I watch this...




For once I concur with everything you said!



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[klwn]

Time to fire Kennedy, put Filoni in her place with a direct line to George, and start making Star Wars movies again.

 

[Asta]

Hold your space horses (fathiers), I have one last Christmas message.



I'm determined to find a reading of the film, because it seems pretty clear that something is going on there, but hasn't translated well to the screen. Mainly due to heavy-handedness which has lead to uninentional misdirection.


I've attempted to formulate my random posts into a coherent framework:


1. The Star Wars universe in TLJ is characterized by a breaking down of the original ANH structure of good opposing bad.


2. Various ideologies are being put to the test by the Resistance to counter this change.


3. A Resistance leadership largely dominated by women is tested in order to turn the tide. Because the old patriarchal leadership (e.g., General Dodonna) is no longer appropriate for the present time.


4. By the end of the film Poe is re-established according to his merit: the beginnngs of a meritocratic leadership. A balancing of gender issues, and a reversal of the damaging policy of positive discrimination.


5. There is still the question of defining good/bad, right/wrong. Something which Luke has removed himself from because not only has Jedi Order failed to bring about change, but he himself has become conflicted. Luke no longer inhabits a world in which he can justify killing a million people because the Death Star was manned entirely by 'bad guys'. He cannot even kill one person (Ben) in the hope of saving many more.

He becomes an outcast, removing himself from the politics, propaganda, lies and ultimately the war. His self exile born from internal struggle leads him to a wilderness where life is reduced to the basics of subsistence. In this reality he doesn't have to face the conflicts inherent in civilization. He's cut himself off so completely that he cannot physically return.


6. On the subject of capitalism, for practical real world reasons the film cannot surely be asserting an anti-capitalist sentiment. But they do question the impact of the capitalist economic system in the Star Wars universe. The act of freeing 'enslaved creatures' from their 'shackles' brings chaos to the casino. You can read into that the Marxian view of a downtrodden proletariat undertaking violent revolution. But that's not the whole story, nor could it be from the perspective of the film or the producers/owners of the film.

It's not capitalism that is wrong, but how the money is made and how it is spent, and any damage it causes to lives along the way.

They don't even paint the capitalist arms dealer as a 'bad guy', because while he's making a profit out of death he's also supplying the Resistance with the means to bring about what they believe will be positive change.


7. Finally, there is the dark heart in the middle of all this, another viewpoint: the character of DJ (Don't Join), who states:

It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join.

It's a more complicated machine now. No longer the Rebel war machine vs. the Imperial war machine, that is, the 'good guys' vs. the 'bad guys'.

DJ exists to illuminate the new complexity. He's cynical of both the First Order and the Resistance because they both represent a corrupt system. As Joseph Conrad wrote in The Secret Agent,

The terrorist and the policeman both come from the same basket. Revolutions, legality -- counter moves in the same game; forms of idleness at bottom identical. He plays his little game -- so do you propagandists.

Unlike Luke, however, DJ does not close himself off from the lies and corruption of civilization. Instead, he finds a way to embrace it, and profit from it. He doesn't pick sides, he doesn't adhere to an ideology, but remains in constant motion, always vigillant, and making his way in the universe by playing the sides off each other.

He was also there in ANH, in the character Han Solo:

Look,Your Worshipfulness, let's get one thing straight. I take orders from just one person: me.

8. As we know, TLJ didn't answer all the questiona posed by TFA. Instead, it poses new questions and new problems. It shows potential solutions, and how they work on a personal level, yet fail on the universal. Where does the "Hope" of the OT lie now? It's a fundamental question without a simple answer, because how do you create order out of chaos, without causing more chaos? That's Luke's dilemma. And has been for the Rebellion/New Republic/Resistance. How do you put an end to conflict?

Well, they probably can't. If they did, that would be the end of the Star Wars. DJ probably wouldn't want it to end either, because he's making a profit out of it.

 

[crows]

 

[TaliBane]

This is a fairly long video review - 35 mins - and has been posted on here before but wow, does this dude just hit every point about TLJ. I mean - wow.

 

[crows]

Good bye everyone

 

[Captain Clown]

Good bye everyone

You alright?

 

[Lakhota]

Hold your space horses (fathiers), I have one last Christmas message.



I'm determined to find a reading of the film, because it seems pretty clear that something is going on there, but hasn't translated well to the screen. Mainly due to heavy-handedness which has lead to uninentional misdirection.


I've attempted to formulate my random posts into a coherent framework:


1. The Star Wars universe in TLJ is characterized by a breaking down of the original ANH structure of good opposing bad.


2. Various ideologies are being put to the test by the Resistance to counter this change.


3. A Resistance leadership largely dominated by women is tested in order to turn the tide. Because the old patriarchal leadership (e.g., General Dodonna) is no longer appropriate for the present time.


4. By the end of the film Poe is re-established according to his merit: the beginnngs of a meritocratic leadership. A balancing of gender issues, and a reversal of the damaging policy of positive discrimination.


5. There is still the question of defining good/bad, right/wrong. Something which Luke has removed himself from because not only has Jedi Order failed to bring about change, but he himself has become conflicted. Luke no longer inhabits a world in which he can justify killing a million people because the Death Star was manned entirely by 'bad guys'. He cannot even kill one person (Ben) in the hope of saving many more.

He becomes an outcast, removing himself from the politics, propaganda, lies and ultimately the war. His self exile born from internal struggle leads him to a wilderness where life is reduced to the basics of subsistence. In this reality he doesn't have to face the conflicts inherent in civilization. He's cut himself off so completely that he cannot physically return.


6. On the subject of capitalism, for practical real world reasons the film cannot surely be asserting an anti-capitalist sentiment. But they do question the impact of the capitalist economic system in the Star Wars universe. The act of freeing 'enslaved creatures' from their 'shackles' brings chaos to the casino. You can read into that the Marxian view of a downtrodden proletariat undertaking violent revolution. But that's not the whole story, nor could it be from the perspective of the film or the producers/owners of the film.

It's not capitalism that is wrong, but how the money is made and how it is spent, and any damage it causes to lives along the way.

They don't even paint the capitalist arms dealer as a 'bad guy', because while he's making a profit out of death he's also supplying the Resistance with the means to bring about what they believe will be positive change.


7. Finally, there is the dark heart in the middle of all this, another viewpoint: the character of DJ (Don't Join), who states:



It's a more complicated machine now. No longer the Rebel war machine vs. the Imperial war machine, that is, the 'good guys' vs. the 'bad guys'.

DJ exists to illuminate the new complexity. He's cynical of both the First Order and the Resistance because they both represent a corrupt system. As Joseph Conrad wrote in The Secret Agent,




Unlike Luke, however, DJ does not close himself off from the lies and corruption of civilization. Instead, he finds a way to embrace it, and profit from it. He doesn't pick sides, he doesn't adhere to an ideology, but remains in constant motion, always vigillant, and making his way in the universe by playing the sides off each other.

He was also there in ANH, in the character Han Solo:





8. As we know, TLJ didn't answer all the questiona posed by TFA. Instead, it poses new questions and new problems. It shows potential solutions, and how they work on a personal level, yet fail on the universal. Where does the "Hope" of the OT lie now? It's a fundamental question without a simple answer, because how do you create order out of chaos, without causing more chaos? That's Luke's dilemma. And has been for the Rebellion/New Republic/Resistance. How do you put an end to conflict?

Well, they probably can't. If they did, that would be the end of the Star Wars. DJ probably wouldn't want it to end either, because he's making a profit out of it.

I Like this a lot but unfortunately I don't think Ruin Johnson and KK thought this deep. If it makes me somewhat enjoy the movie by thinking most of what you posted then I will take it. I just think Ruin was trying to be Hipster and break the mold and seriously thought he wrote a good script, with thought provoking Social agendas