Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[jye4ever]

They also like to smoke while cooking your food.

 

[crows]

I saw a video on YouTube where a guy who lived in China was explaining that they aren't used to overweight/fat people at all, and basically they'll talk about your appearance right next to you in the street. Not sure if Rose qualifies or not (I'm not making fun of her, I am genuinely wondering how they'll react to the character).

This dude on reddit said that koreans were laughing their asses off about rose and that when rose kissed finn then the women in their audience started to laugh and cringe and some yelled

Im not making this up but maybe the guy was making it up.
But yeah....this is gonna bring a new while hell of mockery.

 

[Lakhota]

How is the feminism agenda going on in China? I would be interested if the dialogue stays the same


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[klwn]

This dude on reddit said that koreans were laughing their asses off about rose and that when rose kissed finn then the women in their audience started to laugh and cringe and some yelled

Im not making this up but maybe the guy was making it up.
But yeah....this is gonna bring a new while hell of mockery.

That ****ing kiss
Just awful. That moment wasn't earned whatsoever.

 

[Wor-Gar]

How is the feminism agenda going on in China? I would be interested if the dialogue stays the same

Corrections for China:

1. Leia is force pulled from space to safety by someone else.

2. Holdo is a crazy ***** who keeps secrets from the good crew and must commit suicide in the end for redemption.

3. Rose will constantly mention that she's Japanese and not Chinese.

 

[crows]

How is the feminism agenda going on in China? I would be interested if the dialogue stays the same


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There is none

 

[ironwez20]

Come on guys it’s Christmas. Why are we still on this.

Jk keep going

 

[spindrift]

You people are bizarre- TFA made a RECORD $2 billion ....to expect another film to follow up even close to that is not really realistic- if TLJ hits 1.5 billion that would be a HUGE HUGE number and gigantic success ( not talking about quality of the film). Check out how many movies made in the last 70 yrs have even approached $100 million total.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Just remember, 'Alice in Wonderland' made over a billion... before it was even expected.

 

[Lakhota]

You people are bizarre- TFA made a RECORD $2 billion ....to expect another film to follow up even close to that is not really realistic- if TLJ hits 1.5 billion that would be a HUGE HUGE number and gigantic success ( not talking about quality of the film). Check out how many movies made in the last 70 yrs have even approached $100 million total.

Stop being so positive! 1.5 billion is loose change, down with KK, Ruin Johnson and the SJW’s. Mary Sue Konobi must fall


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[Wor-Gar]

1.5 billion is fine.... just fine, Disney.

1.5... humpf!

 

[klwn]

You people are bizarre- TFA made a RECORD $2 billion ....to expect another film to follow up even close to that is not really realistic- if TLJ hits 1.5 billion that would be a HUGE HUGE number and gigantic success ( not talking about quality of the film). Check out how many movies made in the last 70 yrs have even approached $100 million total.

1.7 billion for TLJ is still a 400 million difference with TFA, that's pretty realistic I'd say, if the movie had been good of course.

If it ends up making 1.4-1.5, there is no doubt that it could have reached 200-300 million more had it been much better.

 

[crows]

You people are bizarre- TFA made a RECORD $2 billion ....to expect another film to follow up even close to that is not really realistic- if TLJ hits 1.5 billion that would be a HUGE HUGE number and gigantic success ( not talking about quality of the film). Check out how many movies made in the last 70 yrs have even approached $100 million total.

Yes, but its tracking for $300 million less than TFA, its currently being outperformed by The Panthom Menace even before adjusting for inflation

No, this is not how financial success is measured. This movie is going to poison the well for future installments and with Solo around the corner and having needed massive reshoots, if that one is a dud too it could be disasterous for the franchise as a whole. Only a fool would think this is good as long as they make money off this endevour. This ticket was purchased thinking the movie could be good. Next time they will be less inclined to purchase a ticket. This is where the real damage is done. This is why heads will roll.


maybe audiences are looking for escapism, not nihilism and heavy handed class warfare propaganda...No that cant be it. Lets double down and greenlight three more Rian Johnsonverse SJW WARS films

 

[TaliBane]

It’s going to take a lot more than 1 billion dollar flop to stop the SW juggxrnaught.....

Plus disgruntled new fans , will be replaced by new fans.




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But statistics don't really support this "new fans" idea - at least on any large scale. The ST still has an audience that is almost 2/3's males that are over 25; RO had average audience age of 35, which is unbelievably high. Given the ages, these are presumably fans who fell in love with the OT (and to a lesser degree the PT) as kids and teens, either theatrically or on video in the 80's or 90's.

In terms of females, even with a staggeringly massive push by Disney - in both casting AND story - to target females with TLJ, the TFA/TLJ bump in female audience was only 9%, which they can't be very happy with.

In terms of casting, TFA was in some ways a stock-standard sci-fi/action film with a kick-ass female hero (like Hunger Games, Divergent and Tomb Raider) with nothing particularly female-centered about it; in theory males attracted to the beautiful/tough lead (you will note that Daisy Ridley is no Kelly Marie Tran.) But TLJ had Fisher, Dern, Tran as major characters plus Ridley. TLJ was "the" female SW film... and it bumped female audience less than 10%.

What statistics say is that those majority older (and majority male) fans' repeat viewings add about 30-40% of the box office of a SW film, taking the standard blockbuster worldwide gross of $1B up to $1.5B to 2B. What statistics also say is that in a rapidly shrinking toy business, those same older "diehard fans" also make up a disproportionate percentage of buyers of toys and collectibles.

Disney spent $4B to buy the SW franchise, and has spent another $1B+ to produce and market the three SW films so far - so a total spend of $5B+. In box office net (usually 50% of gross,) they have received around $1B from TFA, around $500m from RO and will receive around $750m from TLJ (which has a higher 65% take than TFA and RO) - a total so far of $2.2B. From SW merchandising, they have likely received something a bit under $1B (Disney doesn't disclose its merchandising take, but on SW its likely close to 10%, with SW merch sales of somewhere close to $7-8B through the release of TLJ) - around $800m - so all up Disney has received around $3B in total net income from SW up to now.

The question is where it all goes from here in terms of those older male fans, who are: the majority of ticket buyers in general, the ones whose repeat viewing drives SW box office to massive highs well above "normal" blockbusters, and who buy a disproportionately high amount of SW merchandise.

Deeply troubled production Solo (an important stand-alone test) is now rumored to be a flop, and Episode IX will be the first ST film to have no Luke, Han or Leia. And now TLJ appears to have a somewhat significant backlash from those "diehard fans."

The question becomes - where does SW go from here if an unknown percentage of diehard fans are: angry at (or feel betrayed by) Disney/Lucasfilm over TLJ, can no longer have the magic of returning OT heroes (real, not CGI) in ANY future SW film, are being widely maligned by media coverage as aged, intolerant of change and obsolete, and now in the reality of new SW films now coming every 6-12 months instead of every three years ("franchise fatigue.")

Lets break it down.

Good and Bad

If TLJ stops at 1.1 that is a whole billion less than TFA and it might not even be the highest earner of the year!

That’s a HUGE reputation hit and the SW brand health longevity is called into question big time very scary stuff for Disney.

But DID IT EARN its production and marketing budget back?

Of course it did big and huge!

Does Disney believe that EVERY SW needs to make 2.2 billion dollars?

I don’t know but if they do they’re idiots lol

They paid 4.5 billion for SW or 4.0 billion I don’t remember.

So they still haven’t broken even yet with their purchase with TFA/RO/TLJ at least where the movies count.

But when you factor in the amount of TFA/RO/TLJ toys that DiFabio, Wor-Gar, Oto and Adolfo have bought I wouldn’t be worried for Disney.

There's no way TLJ will stop at $1.1B worldwide. It's already at 800m and it has the Christmas-New Year week, where every day is like an opening weekend day. It appears to be trending around 30% less than TFA, which would land it around 1.4B-1.5B.

While that's $500m less than TFA, apologists have been saying that "middle trilogy films always earn the least" which is probably how Disney will frame it - though in truth, the ST is totally different to the OT and PT model, in that ST film #1 is the "Han Solo returns and dies" film, #2 is the "Luke returns and dies" film and #3 is "no OT heroes at all" film. The OT and PT had largely the same cast returning film after film, even if there were jumps in time - the returning cast of the ST (Boyega, Ridley and Isaac) has not been sole or primary in marketing push.

 

[Matt S]

Even better the 2nd time around!!!!

 

[RIDDICK]

But statistics don't really support this "new fans" idea - at least on any large scale. The ST still has an audience that is almost 2/3's males that are over 25; RO had average audience age of 35, which is unbelievably high. Given the ages, these are presumably fans who fell in love with the OT (and to a lesser degree the PT) as kids and teens, either theatrically or on video in the 80's or 90's.

In terms of females, even with a staggeringly massive push by Disney - in both casting AND story - to target females with TLJ, the TFA/TLJ bump in female audience was only 9%, which they can't be very happy with.

In terms of casting, TFA was in some ways a stock-standard sci-fi/action film with a kick-ass female hero (like Hunger Games, Divergent and Tomb Raider) with nothing particularly female-centered about it; in theory males attracted to the beautiful/tough lead (you will note that Daisy Ridley is no Kelly Marie Tran.) But TLJ had Fisher, Dern, Tran as major characters plus Ridley. TLJ was "the" female SW film... and it bumped female audience less than 10%.

What statistics say is that those majority older (and majority male) fans' repeat viewings add about 30-40% of the box office of a SW film, taking the standard blockbuster worldwide gross of $1B up to $1.5B to 2B. What statistics also say is that in a rapidly shrinking toy business, those same older "diehard fans" also make up a disproportionate percentage of buyers of toys and collectibles.

Disney spent $4B to buy the SW franchise, and has spent another $1B+ to produce and market the three SW films so far - so a total spend of $5B+. In box office net (usually 50% of gross,) they have received around $1B from TFA, around $500m from RO and will receive around $750m from TLJ (which has a higher 65% take than TFA and RO) - a total so far of $2.2B. From SW merchandising, they have likely received something a bit under $1B (Disney doesn't disclose its merchandising take, but on SW its likely close to 10%, with SW merch sales of somewhere close to $7-8B through the release of TLJ) - around $800m - so all up Disney has received around $3B in total net income from SW up to now.

The question is where it all goes from here in terms of those older male fans, who are: the majority of ticket buyers in general, the ones whose repeat viewing drives SW box office to massive highs well above "normal" blockbusters, and who buy a disproportionately high amount of SW merchandise.

Deeply troubled production Solo (an important stand-alone test) is now rumored to be a flop, and Episode IX will be the first ST film to have no Luke, Han or Leia. And now TLJ appears to have a somewhat significant backlash from those "diehard fans."

The question becomes - where does SW go from here if an unknown percentage of diehard fans are: angry at (or feel betrayed by) Disney/Lucasfilm over TLJ, can no longer have the magic of returning OT heroes (real, not CGI) in ANY future SW film, are being widely maligned by media coverage as aged, intolerant of change and obsolete, and now in the reality of new SW films now coming every 6-12 months instead of every three years ("franchise fatigue.")



There's no way TLJ will stop at $1.1B worldwide. It's already at 800m and it has the Christmas-New Year week, where every day is like an opening weekend day. It appears to be trending around 30% less than TFA, which would land it around 1.4B-1.5B.

While that's $500m less than TFA, apologists have been saying that "middle trilogy films always earn the least" which is probably how Disney will frame it - though in truth, the ST is totally different to the OT and PT model, in that ST film #1 is the "Han Solo returns and dies" film, #2 is the "Luke returns and dies" film and #3 is "no OT heroes at all" film. The OT and PT had largely the same cast returning film after film, even if there were jumps in time - the returning cast of the ST (Boyega, Ridley and Isaac) has not been sole or primary in marketing push.

 

[higgins1989]

Merry Christmas to all fans and freaks.

P.S.
I found a way to save Episode IX, opening 5 minutes Finn wakes up revealing Episode VIII to all be a dream.

 

[Lakhota]

But statistics don't really support this "new fans" idea - at least on any large scale. The ST still has an audience that is almost 2/3's males that are over 25; RO had average audience age of 35, which is unbelievably high. Given the ages, these are presumably fans who fell in love with the OT (and to a lesser degree the PT) as kids and teens, either theatrically or on video in the 80's or 90's.

In terms of females, even with a staggeringly massive push by Disney - in both casting AND story - to target females with TLJ, the TFA/TLJ bump in female audience was only 9%, which they can't be very happy with.

In terms of casting, TFA was in some ways a stock-standard sci-fi/action film with a kick-ass female hero (like Hunger Games, Divergent and Tomb Raider) with nothing particularly female-centered about it; in theory males attracted to the beautiful/tough lead (you will note that Daisy Ridley is no Kelly Marie Tran.) But TLJ had Fisher, Dern, Tran as major characters plus Ridley. TLJ was "the" female SW film... and it bumped female audience less than 10%.

What statistics say is that those majority older (and majority male) fans' repeat viewings add about 30-40% of the box office of a SW film, taking the standard blockbuster worldwide gross of $1B up to $1.5B to 2B. What statistics also say is that in a rapidly shrinking toy business, those same older "diehard fans" also make up a disproportionate percentage of buyers of toys and collectibles.

Disney spent $4B to buy the SW franchise, and has spent another $1B+ to produce and market the three SW films so far - so a total spend of $5B+. In box office net (usually 50% of gross,) they have received around $1B from TFA, around $500m from RO and will receive around $750m from TLJ (which has a higher 65% take than TFA and RO) - a total so far of $2.2B. From SW merchandising, they have likely received something a bit under $1B (Disney doesn't disclose its merchandising take, but on SW its likely close to 10%, with SW merch sales of somewhere close to $7-8B through the release of TLJ) - around $800m - so all up Disney has received around $3B in total net income from SW up to now.

The question is where it all goes from here in terms of those older male fans, who are: the majority of ticket buyers in general, the ones whose repeat viewing drives SW box office to massive highs well above "normal" blockbusters, and who buy a disproportionately high amount of SW merchandise.

Deeply troubled production Solo (an important stand-alone test) is now rumored to be a flop, and Episode IX will be the first ST film to have no Luke, Han or Leia. And now TLJ appears to have a somewhat significant backlash from those "diehard fans."

The question becomes - where does SW go from here if an unknown percentage of diehard fans are: angry at (or feel betrayed by) Disney/Lucasfilm over TLJ, can no longer have the magic of returning OT heroes (real, not CGI) in ANY future SW film, are being widely maligned by media coverage as aged, intolerant of change and obsolete, and now in the reality of new SW films now coming every 6-12 months instead of every three years ("franchise fatigue.")



There's no way TLJ will stop at $1.1B worldwide. It's already at 800m and it has the Christmas-New Year week, where every day is like an opening weekend day. It appears to be trending around 30% less than TFA, which would land it around 1.4B-1.5B.

While that's $500m less than TFA, apologists have been saying that "middle trilogy films always earn the least" which is probably how Disney will frame it - though in truth, the ST is totally different to the OT and PT model, in that ST film #1 is the "Han Solo returns and dies" film, #2 is the "Luke returns and dies" film and #3 is "no OT heroes at all" film. The OT and PT had largely the same cast returning film after film, even if there were jumps in time - the returning cast of the ST (Boyega, Ridley and Isaac) has not been sole or primary in marketing push.

That was very informative, makes a lot of sense. If Solo flops they will still be behind breaking even for buying Lucas Arts. There will be a lot of damage control on EP. 9 to try and mend all the broken hearts. I would love to be a fly on the wall in KK office


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[TaliBane]

 

[spindrift]

Yeah so when avatar 3 only makes 1.6 billion...disaster for Disney!