Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)
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That's also my major criticism. And it's not necessarily plot holes, but logical and tonal inconsistencies that distracted me from what the film was trying to do. The awkward humor that didn't work. The characters who did baffling things, and didn't have story arcs that were well mapped out. If he wanted to give us a film that explored truly complex ideas without easy solutions, then you could excuse characters who waffle in their convictions and don't really progress over the course of the film. But that doesn't seem to be the intention of the filmmaker, and certainly runs counter to certain themes and thematic strands explored in the film.
Well sure. That language is an over the top caricature of what something really is, and is just meant to bait people. We see this all the time nowadays in the partisan media, so I'm not surprised to see it aped here. Calling a person "social justice warrior" or a "far right wing extremist" because they disagree with someone on issue X is no different. But we see it all the time. On this forum, the former has taken hold.
It's a standard, Marxist anti-capitalist approach to portray those who succeed in the free market as exploitative, never satiated with any level of wealth, and totally unconcerned with the well-being of those who they are exploiting. The greedy smiles on the faces of those aliens were caricatures of this. This approach also suggests that a revolution could come about to overthrow the capitalist overlords, a la the French or Russian Revolutions. And there were hints at this with the poor kids. As with the feminist angle, there are different ways of interpreting this. But the gambling city seemed, to my eyes, one of the few really clear themes that Rian was pursuing and promoting in this film. And that was of the nature of unchecked capitalism. Military-industrial complex, as well, but that was a secondary issue to my eyes.
LOLI felt sad when everyone in the theater clapped after the Broom Boy scene.
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The least of the problems with the film are whatever random themes of anti-capitalism, "militant feminism" or animal-rights agendas exist in it.
It's the indisputably poor storytelling, all-over-the-map tone, disregard (or contempt) for long-established SW universe "rules" and baffling/contradicting character actions that just sunk it for me.
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Whew...getting intense in here, folks...
All though the prequels years, it was almost painful coming in here (and other SW-related boards) and try to find an intelligent, fun discussion on them. Instead, not a post went by where the prequels weren't bashed, maligned, criticized or made fun of on every level. Heck, it still happens to this day, in nearly every online or print story or review related to SW-the writers show their cool cred by bashing the prequels again and again...
Sometimes I wonder why I come here at all.
Now, here we are, the third movie in on a new generation of SW, movies that are not overseen by Lucas himself, and the sky is falling like never before. The discourse more toxic and any positive voices in the discussion are plummeted into silence with ridicule. Wow.
Now I'm one of those weird ones who like the prequels-they weren't the same old thing over again, and love them or hate them, they bore the stamp of an individual's vision.
I did not particularly care for TFA. Now I understood what is was - a re-branding, an opening volley at the new owners putting their own stamp on it. A whiteboard excersie in keeping it overly familiar and instantly recognizable. The mission was accomplished - it made piles of cash and established what would become the most important mark of measurement for a SW movie-how much money it makes- at an ridiculously high place for anything that followed. The downside was, other than the legacy characters, none of the newly-introduced characters really made a mark. It was an attractive cast, but, at least in that movie, an empty one. They were placeholders on a merchandising plan to hit every possible market - nothing more. The story was barely a consideration except as an exercise at hitting those marks.
Next year was Rogue One. For me, it was a revelation - it perfectly captured the classic essence of Star Wars while adding an ensemble of characters that were interesting and different. It was a visual feast-it fit in with the "classic" films effortlessly. It revived hope in me that maybe Star Wars could be more than a money machine for the Disney Empire, that maybe what was being presented could be more that just another cash-grab. Chances could be taken - choices could be made to strengthen the legacy instead of just exploiting it.
Now- it's this year's The Last Jedi. I left the theater in shock. I really liked it - way more than I expected it to. It moved away from what was expected, it took things in different, unexpected directions - it did what had to be done to insure this franchise stays vital. It moved forward and away from the past instead of, like TFA remaining a prisoner of it. It made the TFA characters interesting and more dimensional. It allowed some charm and personality to come through. But most importantly (and surprisingly) it took some big risks with the saga that has the most vocal and fervent fan base of anything outside sports and religion.
And that is the biggest shock of all to me about it.
It's been a divisive movie to be sure. Coming in here and reading through some of the remarks and discussions, one walks away from the board thinking it's the worst thing that could have happened to SW...but I have to respectfully disagree. My hat is off to Kennedy and Disney for letting a filmaker just get on with it and present something that - for the first time since Lucas stepped away - looks and feels like a singular vision instead of a boardroom edict.
Love or hate this movie, it HAD to happen. Another round of paper-thin homage riddled faded copies like TFA would have done more damage than this movie ever could. Do I like everything about it? No -but I haven't thought about a SW movie this much in a long while, and to me, that's it's greatest strength.
I just wish I could go back to that long-gone diner outside the Northpoint when I lived in San Francisoco, where folks would be sitting until sunrise after watching the umpteenth midnight show of "Empire" talking about it and speculating in a fun way face-to-face instead of the toxic jaded wasteland of the internet.
Okay-enough ramblings from me for now. I'll keep poking my head in to see if there is anything else being said other than than all the bashing....
All though the prequels years, it was almost painful coming in here (and other SW-related boards) and try to find an intelligent, fun discussion on them. Instead, not a post went by where the prequels weren't bashed, maligned, criticized or made fun of on every level. Heck, it still happens to this day, in nearly every online or print story or review related to SW-the writers show their cool cred by bashing the prequels again and again...
Sometimes I wonder why I come here at all.
Now, here we are, the third movie in on a new generation of SW, movies that are not overseen by Lucas himself, and the sky is falling like never before. The discourse more toxic and any positive voices in the discussion are plummeted into silence with ridicule. Wow.
Now I'm one of those weird ones who like the prequels-they weren't the same old thing over again, and love them or hate them, they bore the stamp of an individual's vision.
I did not particularly care for TFA. Now I understood what is was - a re-branding, an opening volley at the new owners putting their own stamp on it. A whiteboard excersie in keeping it overly familiar and instantly recognizable. The mission was accomplished - it made piles of cash and established what would become the most important mark of measurement for a SW movie-how much money it makes- at an ridiculously high place for anything that followed. The downside was, other than the legacy characters, none of the newly-introduced characters really made a mark. It was an attractive cast, but, at least in that movie, an empty one. They were placeholders on a merchandising plan to hit every possible market - nothing more. The story was barely a consideration except as an exercise at hitting those marks.
Next year was Rogue One. For me, it was a revelation - it perfectly captured the classic essence of Star Wars while adding an ensemble of characters that were interesting and different. It was a visual feast-it fit in with the "classic" films effortlessly. It revived hope in me that maybe Star Wars could be more than a money machine for the Disney Empire, that maybe what was being presented could be more that just another cash-grab. Chances could be taken - choices could be made to strengthen the legacy instead of just exploiting it.
Now- it's this year's The Last Jedi. I left the theater in shock. I really liked it - way more than I expected it to. It moved away from what was expected, it took things in different, unexpected directions - it did what had to be done to insure this franchise stays vital. It moved forward and away from the past instead of, like TFA remaining a prisoner of it. It made the TFA characters interesting and more dimensional. It allowed some charm and personality to come through. But most importantly (and surprisingly) it took some big risks with the saga that has the most vocal and fervent fan base of anything outside sports and religion.
And that is the biggest shock of all to me about it.
It's been a divisive movie to be sure. Coming in here and reading through some of the remarks and discussions, one walks away from the board thinking it's the worst thing that could have happened to SW...but I have to respectfully disagree. My hat is off to Kennedy and Disney for letting a filmaker just get on with it and present something that - for the first time since Lucas stepped away - looks and feels like a singular vision instead of a boardroom edict.
Love or hate this movie, it HAD to happen. Another round of paper-thin homage riddled faded copies like TFA would have done more damage than this movie ever could. Do I like everything about it? No -but I haven't thought about a SW movie this much in a long while, and to me, that's it's greatest strength.
I just wish I could go back to that long-gone diner outside the Northpoint when I lived in San Francisoco, where folks would be sitting until sunrise after watching the umpteenth midnight show of "Empire" talking about it and speculating in a fun way face-to-face instead of the toxic jaded wasteland of the internet.
Okay-enough ramblings from me for now. I'll keep poking my head in to see if there is anything else being said other than than all the bashing....
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I can't believe people can see this movie and see it such a radically different light than the soulless corporate product, assembled by committee that I saw. "Singular vision?" You really got that out of THIS film? I saw another case of too many cooks.
As for hours of speculating on what's gonna happen next....what would you say? Han and Luke and Leia are dead. You really give a crap about the further adventures of Finn and Rose?
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I concur. However I'm not sure if it should have been the middle instalment rather than the last. As it stands I have no desire to see IX.
No way Luke’s out, they will have to use him to reel in ticket sales for 9. If they would have continued on the plot points of TFA I think people could have been on board with the new cast and handed over the torch. Episode 8 really didn’t change anything from 7 so I have no clue in 2 hours they can wrap up this story.
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Do women feel threatened by women?
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That's why there will never be a female president in the US.
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...and that is one of the great things about movies. Everyone can come away seeing something different.
I can't tell you how many times I read reviews or discussions in here and I come away with "Did we see the same movie"?
And...it is not necessarily Finn and Rose that make me woder what happens next...it's the idea we're left with that
even a mere stable boy can hold the galaxie's fate in his hand.
I found that a great note to end on - and yes, I want to know what happens next.
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That's why there will never be a female president in the US.
I know women hate women, but, it seems like the distain is more stronger with women of exotic background like beautiful middle eastern women or asian or even latinas.
She looks like an anime character
Trump made anime real lol
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...and that is one of the great things about movies. Everyone can come away seeing something different.
I can't tell you how many times I read reviews or discussions in here and I come away with "Did we see the same movie"?
And...it is not necessarily Finn and Rose that make me woder what happens next...it's the idea we're left with thateven a mere stable boy can hold the galaxie's fate in his hand.
I found that a great note to end on - and yes, I want to know what happens next.
I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of the stable boy's Force abilities. I always understood there were thousands or even millions of Forcce adepts in the galaxy. The original SW seemed to suggest that. There was nothing about Luke's blood that made him special. Of course, back then, the Force was more like ESP than super powers.
But then in the decades of EU stories there were so many characters that could use or sense the Force, and the PT of course established that it was common, but that it required training to master.
So the fact that there's a stable boy out there that can Force grab a broom doesn't bother me. It was the fact that the movie ended with him whimsically looking up at a shooting star, while the Disney theme subconsciously played in my head against my will. It looked more like a Disney cruise line ad than the ending shot of a SW film. Just a disgusting way to further smother SW with the DISNEY BRAND.
Also disgusting was the fact that they chose a cis-gen white male scum to represent the hope of the galaxy. Isn't it time for a FEMALE PERSON OF COLOR to be the main Force user in a SW movie?? #starwarssowhite
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