Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Darth Snoopy]

I stand corrected...now I've heard everything. (until the next time)

 

[jye4ever]

Crows will be sad that Grace has come over to the Dark Side.

She even placed Thor 3 in her ten best list Wor-Gar’s head is going to Grace Plode.

She said if you thought Thor 3 was just about comedy you’re just not getting it lol

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Poor Wor-Gar

 

[Chakor]

She said if you thought Thor 3 was just about comedy you’re just not getting it.

Everyone knows damn well what the movie is about and justifiably didn't like it because most of the comedy underwhelmed what could of been a great flick, she's just using that as an excuse.

But that's typical of an annoying blonde with a high opinion of herself.

 

[Darkseed]

I stand corrected...now I've heard everything. (until the next time)

I know right.....some folks really believe their own nonsense.....nothing to do but laugh at their ridiculousness

 

[ShadowX81]

I agree with what you said about Ben and Yoda, but the point of TLJ and Luke was that Luke lost Kylo to Snoke. And after Kylo destroyed the temple and Luke wakes up and everything is burning and all the young Jedi are dead, he felt he lost everything and gave up. I don't see a problem with that or out of character with Luke. Yoda never thought Luke was the chosen one, nor did he of Anakin. Yoda thought they had too much fear and anger in them. Yoda didn't want to teach Luke when he arrived on Dagobah.

"I cannot teach him the boy has no patience"
"Much anger in him, like his father"
"You are reckless".
Luke says "I am not afraid"...Yoda replies "You will be...You will be..."

All things Yoda said about Luke in ESB, and Yoda was right. All of it came true. Luke didn't have the mind to be a true Jedi Master like Yoda was. Too easily persuaded by fear, anger and hate.

That isn't true at all. The whole part of Luke's arc was that both Yoda and Ben were wrong. They convinced him that to become a Jedi was to sacrifice all the things that mattered to him and take a dogmatic approach to learning the force, and he proved them wrong and brought balance to it.

And Luke then realized the Jedi failed. It wasn't about the chosen one or only certain people could be Jedi. Being a Jedi isn't a privilege. The Jedi don't own the Force. The Force is in everyone, in everything. No matter your upbringing, or your bloodline, the Force can be taught to everyone, to create a diverse society where everyone can live in peace. They need to tear down the levels of power and let the past die. the old ways have failed. The power hungry, selfish, small minded mostly males who are in control of the universe needs to end. No matter how much power these men accrue, "the light" will never go away, and the future of their universe to create peace is now inspired by a small group of diverse characters that can show the universe the way.

but if you don't agree with it, and didn't like the movie, that is perfectly fine.

Wrong again. As has been stated over and over and over again in the series, the Force may be found everywhere, but only certain inidividuals are sensitive to it. Not fair maybe, but reality. And even then, in order to harness that skill into ability, it takes decades of training. Hundreds of years to become a true master like Yoda. Not everyone can just pick it up from scratch any more than any old person could just walk onto a sports field and play professionally.

And in order to receive that training, you must be taught certain skills and mindsets. That is where the Jedi come from. They were not "power hungry", "selfish", or "small minded". Nor were they even in control of anything in the galaxy. To be a Jedi is literally the exact opposite of that. And what does being mostly male (they weren't. about a 50/50 split) have to do with anything?! You are clearly making this political.

The old ways didn't fail at all. The old ways were responsible for the most prosperous and peaceful time that the galaxy ever saw, and its only ended because a sliver of the dark side was able to hide away and remain, growing like a tumor. To say that the entire order of the Jedi was a failure to the point of having to be thrown entirely away is a colossal oversimplification to the point of being a platitude.

 

[Wor-Gar]

She even placed Thor 3 in her ten best list Wor-Gar’s head is going to Grace Plode.

Poor Wor-Gar

"Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!"

 

[TaliBane]

And yet I saw The Last Jedi again last night and the theater was sold out. Your mileage may vary.

But it's now almost $200m behind TFA at the same point domestically (despite having two extra pre-Christmas days of play), and less than $100m ahead of non-mainline Rogue One at the same point.

Regardless of content and perception, TLJ was never going to make less than $600m domestic and less than $1.2B worldwide, but it is slightly shocking just how close to those lower benchmarks it is going to end up.

Especially given that TLJ and TFA opened to pretty much the same (staggering, both well above $200m) opening numbers. TLJ opens to $220m (versus TFA's $247m), yet ends its run with around $590m - a multiplier of 2.7 vs TFA's 3.8 multiplier.

That's solely about repeat business from fans.

TLJ is going to end up around $300m short of Disney's lower-end "safe" worldwide expectations (which would have been half way between TFA and RO; around $1.5B) - to put that $300m in context, Tron Legacy's TOTAL worldwide gross was $400m.

TLJ is certainly a huge profit maker for Disney - half a billion at least - but they would have to be somewhat perturbed what this means for Ep IX and the brand, especially with the Solo movie looking iffy (and potentially brand-damaging in the context of the "franchise fatigue" of so many SW releases so close together) between now and Ep IX.

 

[klwn]

Wrong again. As has been stated over and over and over again in the series, the Force may be found everywhere, but only certain inidividuals are sensitive to it. Not fair maybe, but reality. And even then, in order to harness that skill into ability, it takes decades of training. Hundreds of years to become a true master like Yoda. Not everyone can just pick it up from scratch any more than any old person could just walk onto a sports field and play professionally.

And in order to receive that training, you must be taught certain skills and mindsets. That is where the Jedi come from. They were not "power hungry", "selfish", or "small minded". Nor were they even in control of anything in the galaxy. To be a Jedi is literally the exact opposite of that. And what does being mostly male (they weren't) have to do with anything?!

The old ways didn't fail at all. The old ways were responsible for the most prosperous and peaceful time that the galaxy ever saw, and its only ended because a sliver of the dark side was able to hide away and remain. To say that the entire order of the Jedi was a failure is a colossal oversimplification to the point of being a platitude.

Yes, thanks, I was too lazy to go into details again

Plus you really can't call being a Jedi that much of a privilege. If we look for an equivalent in our world, that would basically be any elite force. SEAL's, SAS...
Does that require special skills and even special genetics? Yes, absolutely. Kinda like the Force. Is it a privilege? Hm, your life is constantly on the line, and it's not like you are making millions. It's an honor (if that's what you want to do), sure, but not a privilege.

Also, if anybody can become a Jedi, it means the chances of having little Sith or dark side users running around everywhere are far greater. So that's just a really dumb approach to the lore, and would turn the Star Wars universe into a giant, nightmarish battlefield. Kinda like what happened in the non-canon Old Republic.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I know right.....some folks really believe their own nonsense.....nothing to do but laugh at their ridiculousness 

This thread is definitely good for some laughs.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

"Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!"

 

[jye4ever]

"Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!!!!!!"

Oh man so perfect especially after you learn she didn’t place Blade Runner on her list but TLJ, Thor 3 and WW # 1 spot

 

[ShadowX81]

So basically if Disney doesn't use diverse actors they are racist... and if they do use diverse actors its only because of money and they are racist?

Any conscious decision to either exclude or create a character based on race and not on that character's merit in the story, is creatively insincere at best, straight out racist at worst. Same goes for gender or any other kind of representation.

 

[spindrift]

WTF What was that? Was it real?????????????????????????

 

[crows]

All I know is that Khev dipped and left me hanging higher than lactating titty’s on a cliffside.

Speaking of higher come monday TLJ is set to surpass Beauty and the Beast and become 2017 highest domestic earner.

Go Rose Go!

the moment khev left the thread i knew we won.

 

[TaliBane]

lol..... You do know that's Billie Lourd, Carrie Fisher's daughter? Although maybe a little too much in the forefront, I felt it was a nice homage to her mother.

Oh...

I should have known it wasn't Lena Dunham. If it was Dunham, the sci-fi costume would have had a shoulder piece missing so we could see Dunham's hideous tattoo.

 

[klwn]

WTF What was that? Was it real?????????????????????????

Nah. The guy at the end is Seth Green, he did Robot Chicken.

 

[spindrift]

Nah. The guy at the end is Seth Green, he did Robot Chicken.

darn

 

[Wor-Gar]

Any conscious decision to either exclude or create a character based on race and not on that character's merit in the story, is creatively insincere at best, straight out racist at worst. Same goes for gender or any other kind of representation.

Dead on correct!!!

 

[Wor-Gar]

what this means for...the brand, especially with the Solo movie looking iffy (and potentially brand-damaging in the context of the "franchise fatigue" of so many SW releases so close together) between now and Ep IX.

Brand-damage is Disney's greatest fear and costs a hell of a lot more to repair in the long run than one movie's potential gross or loss.