Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Wor-Gar]

Jye's going to be playing a lot of golf.

Thankfully, the IW is on the horizon and we'll have a new target soon. So very soon.

 

[crows]

I have no issue with diversity in these new films, if that's where the "change the world's thinking" from Disney ended, it would be just enough to make a point and maybe spark some conversation and thought, but when they go so far as to add in dialogue to really push the issue, that's where it crosses a line from art/film into propoganda, it feels like Disney corporate is like "everyone will love everyone and we will not stop until they do" and it's no different than when extremists try to force religious beliefs on people or any other situation where views are forced upon people, it's off-putting and more likely to drive people away cuz they're tired of hearing it than it's worth for the other elements.

If this new trilogy featured female heroes and a variety of races in roles where the OT and PT lacked diversity, I doubt anyone would really care so long as a quality story was told and delivered, but they had to push it too far and it's not working for many.

I feel like some of the Marvel movies get a little heavy handed with pushing some themes at times, but luckily the overall product still entertains me enough to live with it because the rest is worth too much to me to let a small thing keep me away.

The problem is that rose is just a big embarrassment.
Rose single handedly ruined any chance at people feeling anything for her. She was too silly and too naive and too awkward and her ideas were too stupid so rose all by herself
Damaged any chance of people taking new diverse characters seriously.

 

[klwn]

The problem is that rose is just a big embarrassment.
Rose single handedly ruined any chance at people feeling anything for her. She was too silly and too naive and too awkward and her ideas were too stupid so rose all by herself
Damaged any chance of people taking new diverse characters seriously.

Her first scene, with Finn, is one of the worst things I have seen in a SW movie.
Also the way it was written... Seriously she's just sitting there acting as security, waiting to zap people with a stick? What if one of them stuns her with a blaster?

 

[jye4ever]

Jye's going to be playing a lot of golf.

Thankfully, the IW is on the horizon and we'll have a new target soon. So very soon.

Well remember the emperor is not as forgiving as I am.

 

[morphosis]

Obi-Wan had to be on Tatooine to keep an eye on Luke, and eventually, in a way, joined the Rebels in their fight, giving his life.
Yoda was old and tired, had been outmatched by Sidious, and only had one purpose at this point: be there for a new young Jedi that could need him one day.

Luke wasn't in Yoda's situation because Snoke never outmatched him, clearly they never met as far as we know, and if they did that should have been made very clear with a couple lines of dialogue. But no time for that of course, **** lore, Canto Bight is more important.

Luke could have helped the Resistance all along, rejected the person that needed him (Rey), and didn't even join the fight until everything was pretty much lost, just to sacrifice himself and buy some time for the handful of survivors.
The point is, giving a real purpose to his seclusion would have given his arc much more weight. But there was no purpose. He didn't train Rey, he didn't learn anything that eventually mattered on the island, and he still died even without the FO ever finding him (Snoke did find him by extracting the information out of Rey but that was never put to good use of course).

I agree with what you said about Ben and Yoda, but the point of TLJ and Luke was that Luke lost Kylo to Snoke. And after Kylo destroyed the temple and Luke wakes up and everything is burning and all the young Jedi are dead, he felt he lost everything and gave up. I don't see a problem with that or out of character with Luke. Yoda never thought Luke was the chosen one, nor did he of Anakin. Yoda thought they had too much fear and anger in them. Yoda didn't want to teach Luke when he arrived on Dagobah.

"I cannot teach him the boy has no patience"
"Much anger in him, like his father"
"You are reckless".
Luke says "I am not afraid"...Yoda replies "You will be...You will be..."

All things Yoda said about Luke in ESB, and Yoda was right. All of it came true. Luke didn't have the mind to be a true Jedi Master like Yoda was. Too easily persuaded by fear, anger and hate.

That is why when I see Luke in TLJ, I feel he became what Yoda visioned. All those famous lines Yoda said came true about Luke. Thats how I saw it. So I was not upset or confused or angry by Luke portrayal at all in TLJ. He became what Yoda saw many years before.

And Luke then realized the Jedi failed. It wasn't about the chosen one or only certain people could be Jedi. Being a Jedi isn't a privilege. The Jedi don't own the Force. The Force is in everyone, in everything. No matter your upbringing, or your bloodline, the Force can be taught to everyone, to create a diverse society where everyone can live in peace. They need to tear down the levels of power and let the past die. the old ways have failed. The power hungry, selfish, small minded mostly males who are in control of the universe needs to end. No matter how much power these men accrue, "the light" will never go away, and the future of their universe to create peace is now inspired by a small group of diverse characters that can show the universe the way.

but if you don't agree with it, and didn't like the movie, that is perfectly fine.

 

[Caped Baldy]

Almost the complete opposite of TLJ. RIDDICK has been busy with hacking and those Russian bots.

 

[Asta]

Looking forward to Rian's The Misadventures of Rose trilogy.


The thing with TLJ is that, as clumsy as it is, it doesn't have Jar Jar or feckless Battle Droids. So, in that sense it's much more Star Warsy than the PT.

 

[RIDDICK]

RIDDICK has been busy with hacking. lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSLlV9oXUAEH12l.jpg

Wow... And that's first time I'm hearin' about this movie.
Maybe I'll check it out even, it is indeed the opposite of TLJ.

 

[jye4ever]

Well one of the required critical first steps to a one party system requires the dismantling of the opposition media.

 

[klwn]

I agree with what you said about Ben and Yoda, but the point of TLJ and Luke was that Luke lost Kylo to Snoke. And after Kylo destroyed the temple and Luke wakes up and everything is burning and all the young Jedi are dead, he felt he lost everything and gave up. I don't see a problem with that or out of character with Luke. Yoda never thought Luke was the chosen one, nor did he of Anakin. Yoda thought they had too much fear and anger in them. Yoda didn't want to teach Luke when he arrived on Dagobah.

"I cannot teach him the boy has no patience"
"Much anger in him, like his father"
"You are reckless".
Luke says "I am not afraid"...Yoda replies "You will be...You will be..."

All things Yoda said about Luke in ESB, and Yoda was right. All of it came true. Luke didn't have the mind to be a true Jedi Master. Too easily persuaded by fear, anger and hate.

That is why when I see Luke in TLJ, I feel he became what Yoda visioned. All those famous lines Yoda said came true about Luke. Thats how I saw it. So I was not upset or confused or angry by Luke portrayal at all in TLJ. He became what Yoda saw many years before.

And Luke then realized the Jedi failed. It wasn't about the chosen one or only certain people could be Jedi. Being a Jedi isn't a privilege. The Jedi don't own the Force. The Force is in everyone, in everything. No matter your upbringing, or your bloodline, the Force can be taught to everyone, to create a diverse society where everyone can live in peace. They need to tear down the levels of power and let the past die. the old ways have failed. The power hungry, selfish, small minded mostly males who are in control of the universe needs to end. No matter how much power these men accrue, "the light" will never go away, and the future of their universe to create peace is now inspired by a small group of diverse characters that can show the universe the way.

Good points, but in this case it's clearly about whether or not you want Yoda's 'predictions' about Luke to come true.
I get how people can use them to justify Luke's arc in these movies, but obviously there is the other side (mine) that wish the script would have gone in a different direction with the character, that would still have been viable, because Yoda isn't omniscient anyway, he just had an intuition, being the powerful Jedi that he is.

Also, I think it's weird that people point out that this movie's message was that anybody can be a Jedi.
In the PT, a vast majority of Jedi were complete nobodies, found by the Order on various planets, from diverse species and people. They didn't have a lineage or a legacy, they were just more in tune with the Force, and obviously had varying degrees of competency with it, the most powerful/wisest ones usually ending up as members of the Council.
Still, a particular sensitivity to the Force should always be necessary, otherwise that means that every being in the galaxy can become a Jedi and that's just crazy, completely ruins the story and lore established by Lucas (who also had established that the Force was everywhere, that's not Rian's idea).

But being a Jedi never was presented as a privilege. The Chosen One is a separate thing, yes Anakin and Luke were special among Jedi but that doesn't mean Jedi weren't fairly 'common'. They were, until Order 66 of course.

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[Wor-Gar]

Chinese market and the female directive:

Harley Quinn (standard)
Harley Quinn (prisoner)
Harley Quinn (dancer)


Rose.... likely no figure.

 

[crows]

 

[morphosis]

Good points, but in this case it's clearly about whether or not you want Yoda's 'predictions' about Luke to come true.
I get how people can use them to justify Luke's arc in these movies, but obviously there is the other side (mine) that wish the script would have gone in a different direction with the character, that would still have been viable, because Yoda isn't omniscient anyway, he just had an intuition, being the powerful Jedi that he is.

Also, I think it's weird that people point out that this movie's message was that anybody can be a Jedi.
In the PT, a vast majority of Jedi were complete nobodies, found by the Order on various planets, from diverse species and people. They didn't have a lineage or a legacy, they were just more in tune with the Force, and obviously had varying degrees of competency with it, the most powerful/wisest ones usually ending up as members of the Council.
Still, a particular sensitivity to the Force should always be necessary, otherwise that means that every being in the galaxy can become a Jedi and that's just crazy, completely ruins the story and lore established by Lucas (who also had established that the Force was everywhere, that's not Rian's idea).

But being a Jedi never was presented as a privilege. The Chosen One is a separate thing, yes Anakin and Luke were special among Jedi but that doesn't mean Jedi weren't fairly 'common'. They were, until Order 66 of course.

Well Yoda and Jedi could see visions of past present future, right? And he saw all the things I mentioned in Luke and even in Anakin. Yoda doesn't know "everything" of course, but i think he's more than just got good intuition. The visions he has can become true or not, depending on how certain events unfold. So to me he saw all these things in Luke early on, and to me TLJ showed Yoda was right about Luke. Of course its just a story, and ESB was written way before TLJ, but even Hamill and others always thought it would be kind of interesting if Luke went to the dark side. He didn't quite do that in TLJ, but i think the movie showed he wasn't the "savior" that we all thought he might have been. That the anger, hate, and fear in him would eventually catch up to him and fail him.

At first, yeah, of course I thought Luke would be showing Rey how to jump 100 feet in the air, and handle a light saber like they did in the prequels, but after I saw TLJ, i really liked how it didn't do that. And loved how dark Luke got, and that the idea of failure is important. Its important in our own lives in real life. Learning from our mistakes. Thats what makes us human. Some follow a dark path, other follow a light path.

The privilege concept more has to do with Rey because fans thought she was somebodies child who was a past Jedi. And also the idea that the Skywalker bloodline was supposed to be the greatest of all Jedi bloodlines. Anakin, Luke, Kylo, Leia, and some thought Rey was a Skywalker. And in other EU, there were other bloodlines if I can remember correctly that was passed down.

But your right, in the PT, there were all kinds of Jedi, but they still kind of treated it as a members only club, picked certain people who showed Force sensitivity. Where the message in TLJ to me was, you shouldn't pick and choose certain beings. The Force is in everyone. And that concept had been around sine ANH. And with the right teacher to inspire (Rey) the universe has its best chance at true peace. Its not just a select few warriors that have to hold the peace in the universe, but it really relies on "everyone".

Thats how I see it, and other articles I have read over the weeks from all over the place that were positive about the film sort of said the same things I do.

But yeah, i understand people wanted it to go differently and i get why they didn't like it. I felt TLJ had a lot of guts to go where it went. It wasn't a safe or a comforting way to go, and I really think that was pretty ballsy to do. Did I love the entire film? No. The casino scene was my weakest part (as probably everyone's), but not for the story, but by the execution of it. It was a little too "prequel feeling". But the message in those scenes were important to show the privileged society and everyone else is suffering. Super important I think. Just wish it could have been executed differently. At first I gave the film a 9/10. But after thinking about it for a while over 2 viewings so far, i think its more like an 8.25/10 for me. I definitely liked TFA much better overall. There isn't a scene in that film I don't love. The casino scene in TLJ takes it down a few notches. But overall still loved it. Loved the message. Loved the story. Loved Rey, Leia, Luke, Kylo.

 

[YoNoSe]

So now I feel it’s my duty to rub in their faces how much I enjoyed it just to be a thorn in their sides.

Don’t risk your bonus!

 

[Adolfo]

Saw it twice, loved it more the 2nd time. Gonna see it for a 3rd soon. Vocal minority be damned

Oh Hell NO!!!!

 

[EVILFACE]

Chinese market and the female directive:

Harley Quinn (standard)
Harley Quinn (prisoner)
Harley Quinn (dancer)


Rose.... likely no figure.

One is hawt actress who's character is sexy is just about everything.

The other is a cubby average looking actress in a dirty workmans overalls.


thatwaseasy.jpg

 

[Darkseed]

There are so many rich layers to mockery though Andy Kaufman eat your heart out.

You’re right though i’m already in need of a holiday.

Unlike the true snow flakes whining about this isn’t their Star Wars you’ve stood firm on your opinions and kept fighting the good fight.

A true alpha standing alone unlike the self proclaimed alpha nerds who need the reassurance of their fellow band wagoners to keep going.

Like Luke you’ve earned legendary status ...take the vacation by ending it all....destroy the fandom, destroy the films doooo eeeet masa jye.

 

[jye4ever]

Unlike the true snow flakes whining about this isn’t their Star Wars you’ve stood firm on your opinions and kept fighting the good fight.

A true alpha standing alone unlike the self proclaimed alpha nerds who need the reassurance of their fellow band wagoners to keep going.

Like Luke you’ve earned legendary status ...take the vacation by ending it all....destroy the fandom, destroy the films doooo eeeet masa jye.

All I know is that Khev dipped and left me hanging higher than lactating titty’s on a cliffside.

Speaking of higher come monday TLJ is set to surpass Beauty and the Beast and become 2017 highest domestic earner.

Go Rose Go!

 

[Rorywan]

But for some she was perfectly showcased and utilized while still simultaneously fulfilling Disney’s regional box office needs.

Oh oh, Jye is back on the grass.