Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I figured someone would make reference to her "Mary Sue" nature when I posted that. But I swear it's like you guys missed everything in this movie. Did no one notice that Luke fell backward in the exact same position as when he fell on the gantry and Vader said "you are beaten?" And Rey literally stood over him in the *exact* same pose as Vader. Remember Luke clearly had no fight in him at that stage in his life and was absolutely terrified of Rey's power and her seeming leaning toward "the Dark." And then here she was standing over him in Vader-esque fashion fulfilling his deepest fears until she turned off the saber and said that she wouldn't fail him. That was when things started to change for Luke.

Rey the Terminator.

 

[Khev]

Rey the Terminator.

The Daisy gif you posted above was much better.

But otherwise yeah, it was kind of like that scene in T2. Luke fully assumed that the full might of her Dark powers were about to be brought down on him in Vader-esque fashion but she threw him a curve ball by offering him the saber instead.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The Daisy gif you posted above was much better.

But otherwise yeah, it was kind of like that scene in T2. Luke fully assumed that the full might of her Dark powers were about to be brought down on him in Vader-esque fashion but she threw him a curve ball by instead offering him the saber.

It's the thought that counts. If I had photoshopping skills, I would have added Rey's face on Arnie's body.

 

[The Buffinator]

As far as lukes lightsaber, what bothers me more than how they got It is why didn't he use his green lightsaber in the projection battle? Wouldn't that have had a bigger impression on kylo than the blue one, which kylo helped destroy a few scenes earlier, (though he may not have known luke once owned it)?

The blue saber that Luke used during the Force Projection scene was symbolic of him fully returning to the Jedi Order. In the opening scene the saber was handed to him and he threw it away. Then later Rey bested him in combat in the rain and as he lay before her she offered it to him again. This time he didn't throw it away, but he still didn't accept it. In the final scene of the film he wielded the blue to indicate that he realized that he should have rightfully accepted it all along.

Plus it was an obvious "hint" for the audience that Luke wasn't "real" since as you said by that point in the film the real blue saber had been destroyed.

Perhaps Kylo simply assumed that Luke made a back-up after he lost the first one. Maybe they should have had Kylo chat him up a bit more before their confrontation. "Is that a NEW blue lightsaber? I saw one just like that destroyed a few hours ago. My, but you've been busy during your self-imposed exile."

 

[aa909]

Wah, why didn't Tarkin just blow up Yavin in ANH instead of orbiting it for no reason. Why didn't the snowspeeders attack the AT-AT's from *behind*. Why did the Rebels send capital ships to go be sitting ducks during that DSII attack when clearly fighters were all that were necessary? All silly questions to ask about a SW movie.

none of those are as objectively massive plot holes as weaponizing hyperspace. why didn't Tarkin blow up Yavin?

1. Yavin is a gas giant, and the Death Star's weapon doesn't work on gas giants, or the resultant explosion would take out the Death Star

2. Death Star 1 has a recharge cycle longer than the time it would take for the rebels to clear the planet.

Now answer my questions about holdo's stupid plan and weaponizing hyperspace or admit failure LOL!!

 

[Kain's Ancient Blade]

Well when you start writing a sequel without having watched the movie it's following, you'll probably run into plenty of continuity errors.

But Disney ain't care. They'll get the money.

And no, I don't think this will affect the bottom line at all for this movie or the next one or the trilogy after that, or the trilogy after that. People will just go see Star Wars forever, long after we're all dead.

I know I'm just one person, but it's over for me. Luke's dead. I have no reason to bother with any of the nonsense that comes next. Maybe there are a handful of fat 40-somethings scattered around the globe that feel the same way I do and won't bother with any more of these lousy movies. But it won't matter, cause we'll be replaced by younger viewers or first time viewers in countries were going to movies is a new experience.

I'm sure I'll still read about rumors and theories and gossip, but it's just out of morbid curiosity and habit. My lifelong passion for SW was all but killed when they murdered Han Solo, but this abortion of a film was the death rattle.

I disagree. I think it will affect the bottom line. Star Wars ended after Return of the Jedi, and although I gave both new films a chance, Star Wars has died a stupid death just Luke.
Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson and JJ Ambrams have ruined this franchise for me and millions of other fans.

 

[Otomofan]

But otherwise yeah, it was kind of like that scene in T2. Luke fully assumed that the full might of her Dark powers were about to be brought down on him in Vader-esque fashion but she threw him a curve ball by offering him the saber instead.

TLJ Luke is such a huge simpering *****. (You know, the thing the Prez likes to grab em by.)

I hate TLJ Luke. I hate the writers of TLJ for making Luke into a *****. Luke may have been a lot of things, but after his journey he was definitely not a *****.

The Last Jedi is a bad movie and you should feel bad.

 

[aa909]

TLJ Luke is such a huge simpering *****. (You know, the thing the Prez likes to grab em by.)

I hate TLJ Luke. I hate the writers of TLJ for making Luke into a *****. Luke may have been a lot of things, but after his journey he was definitely not a *****.

The Last Jedi is a bad movie and you should feel bad.

Amen!

 

[Khev]

Now answer my questions about holdo's stupid plan and weaponizing hyperspace or admit failure LOL!!

Oh please. That's mere child's play.

If you remove the hyperspace element all she did was ram one ship into another, a tactic that has benefited the Alliance accidentally (A-Wing into Vader's bridge in ROTJ) and deliberately (Hammerhead Corvette in RO) in the past. Going into hyperspace would really only make sense in pretty much the exact scenario that Holdo found herself in. It would be a pointless tactic to use against smaller ships which just leaves the two Death Stars, Vader's Destroyer and Snoke's Destroyer. The first DS showed up without any capital ships to "ram" it nearby, Vader's ship *was* rammed, and for the second Death Star the Alliance obviously thought they caught the Empire with their pants down for a job that required simple one-man fighters.

Holdo's maneuver was literally no more difficult to explain than any other tactic in the Saga, lol.

 

[Khev]

TLJ Luke is such a huge simpering *****. (You know, the thing the Prez likes to grab em by.)

I hate TLJ Luke. I hate the writers of TLJ for making Luke into a *****. Luke may have been a lot of things, but after his journey he was definitely not a *****.

The Last Jedi is a bad movie and you should feel bad.

Whine, whine, whine. Go watch GotG 2 if you want rubbery indestructible heroes with no flaws.

 

[loki2371]

The blue saber that Luke used during the Force Projection scene was symbolic of him fully returning to the Jedi Order. In the opening scene the saber was handed to him and he threw it away. Then later Rey bested him in combat in the rain and as he lay before her she offered it to him again. This time he didn't throw it away, but he still didn't accept it. In the final scene of the film he wielded the blue to indicate that he realized that he should have rightfully accepted it all along.

???? How is any of that not a fan made explanation?? He wasn't a Jedi till after he confronted Vader in ESB (as said by both Ben & Yoda, and even Vader during their confrontation... "You are not a Jedi...yet"). And a Jedi needs to create his OWN lightsaber as part of his training, so shouldn't his green saber been the appropriate one to show his return to the Jedi Order??

 

[loki2371]

Star Wars is for kids!!!!!!



Or I guess only the "special" ones....

 

[aa909]

Oh please. That's mere child's play.

If you remove the hyperspace element all she did was ram one ship into another, a tactic that has benefited the Alliance accidentally (A-Wing into Vader's bridge in ROTJ) and deliberately (Hammerhead Corvette in RO) in the past. Going into hyperspace would really only make sense in pretty much the exact scenario that Holdo found herself in. It would be a pointless tactic to use against smaller ships which just leaves the two Death Stars, Vader's Destroyer and Snoke's Destroyer. The first DS showed up without any capital ships to "ram" it nearby, Vader's ship *was* rammed, and for the second Death Star the Alliance obviously thought they caught the Empire with their pants down for a job that required simple one-man fighters.

Holdo's maneuver was literally no more difficult to explain than any other tactic in the Saga, lol.

LMAO!! that's just pathetic. "Ram one ship with another" she took out an entire fleet of Star Destroyers and Snoke's Super Duper Star Destroyer with a single ship.

explain why if this is in the playbook the rebels don't use this tactic in every single battle vs star destroyer sized ships? all the space battles in Ep 9 should end in 5 seconds using this tactic.

 

[aa909]

Whine, whine, whine. Go watch GotG 2 if you want rubbery indestructible heroes with no flaws.

Cough... Rey... cough

 

[Caped Baldy]

This thread.

 

[Khev]

LMAO!! that's just pathetic. "Ram one ship with another" she took out an entire fleet of Star Destroyers and Snoke's Super Duper Star Destroyer with a single ship.

And how exactly do you suggest she should have known exactly *what* would happen? You think it'd be standard military procedure for the Alliance/Resistance to build entire fleets just to have other ships blast through them at lightspeed? It would be ridiculous to ever orchestrate such costly tests when they had the hardware and munitions to take out every type of craft the Empire could throw at them. Holdo's attack was clearly a desperate last second maneuver when all other options were expired.

 

[Khev]

Cough... Rey... cough

That's right, you guys complain either way. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[DarkShadow]

I really hope for those of you who hated it, that there's an old republic trilogy coming for you guys.







Written and directed by Rian Johnson.

 

[Otomofan]

Luke is an old man. He's paid his dues.

What has Rey done? Oh that's right, she's just naturally perfect at everything, is now the Captain of the Millennium Falcon and is Chewie's boss, owner of R2-D2, bearer of Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber, she has perfect skin, teeth, and hair despite growing up on a desert planet, is an ace pilot, mechanic, master of Teras Kasi and all other forms of hand to hand combat, perfect shot with a blaster, understands Droid and Wookiee fluently despite never studying, has complete mastery of the Force after about a week.

Oh wait. She got a boo boo on her arm during the high octane mega fight with the guys in red plastic armor.

I guess she's flawed after all. What a well rounded character.

 

[aa909]

And how exactly do you suggest she should have known exactly *what* would happen? You think it'd be standard military procedure for the Alliance/Resistance to build entire fleets just to have other ships blast through them at lightspeed? It would be ridiculous to ever orchestrate such costly tests when they had the hardware and munitions to take out every type of craft the Empire could throw at them. Holdo's attack was clearly a desperate last second maneuver when all other options were expired.

so your explanation is "she didn't know" and basically invented weaponized hyperspace? over the 1000s of years in the star wars galaxy there was never a hyperspace scientist or some hyperspace accident that revealed this special quality of hyperspace?

regarding "cost", so we're to believe in 1000s of years no one ever launched a cheap drone into hyperspace through solid matter to see what would happen? the experimental scientists in this galaxy have no imagination.

but now RJ has invented weaponized hyperspace and JJ will show us that the rebels have developed small cost effective hyperspace weapons in Ep 9 that can take out star destroyer. can't wait LOL!